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I dunno if you guessed it, but I like drawing cute little ponies....fanart of a children's cartoon. And every so often, someone feels the need to tell me that my personal interest is stupid, childish, cancerous....."cringe-y". Boy howdy, do I hear that word tossed around a lot. Cringe, cringe, cringe. We're all afraid of making something cringe-worthy. Something that could end up in those lovely "Bad OC" cringe compilations. I see other artists, especially young creators, getting policed and attacked for creating something that could-gasp!- be interpreted as the dreaded Mary Sue. So artists stifle themselves. Can't make your OC too colorful. Don't you dare make them related to a canon character! Better watch that backstory, lest somebody decry your character as an edgelord. You can have a nerdy interest, but you better not be too fucking passionate about it. Watch yourself. Don't be too different. Don't be cringe-y.
So here's my question to ye gatekeepers of content, ye knowers of all things cringe-worthy, ye adamant enforcers of creative conformity...........Who cares?
Really. Why. Why is "cringe" an issue? So what if someone makes an edgy black-and-red OC, or a sparkly mary sue alicorn princess? So what if somebody makes up an over-powered self-insert and ships them with a canon character? So what if somebody dares to be unironically passionate about a fandom or interest considered less-than-cool? Who cares if people have imperfect, cliche-riddled characters they love?
Cringe culture is mean-spirited. It demands creators conform. It's perpetuated by people who, quite oddly, get really bent out of shape at the sight of people unironically enjoying harmless things.
I say forget it. Trample it. Let people have fun. Especially don't be cruel to young creators- nobody learns to be a skilled artist or writer overnight. And this is by no means a statement against criticism, even harsh criticism.....but there's a big, big difference between giving constructive criticism, vs choosing to crap on somebody for having a "cringe-y" interest. Clicking on someone's work to tell them that it's cringe, or cancer, or that they should kill themselves.....that's not criticism. It's cruelty. The only point of it is to discourage and shame creators, often young, vulnerable ones. There is nothing heroic or helpful about this behavior. This is what I am standing against. To make things clear, I am not anti-criticism. I am anti-bullying.
Idk. I'm a teacher with an Art Education degree, and I believe one of the most important things is to encourage people's interest in the arts, not push them away (out of a mean-spirited attempt to seem cooler by proxy). My favorite Mister Rogers quote (applies to artists of all ages):
"Do you like to draw with crayons? I'm not very good at it. But it doesn't matter. It's the fun of doing it that's important. Now, I wouldn't have made that if I just thought about it. No matter how anybody says it is....It feels good to have made something."
edit: adding in a relevant C.S. Lewis quote as well, on enjoying "childish things"
“Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
Join my Cringe Challenge here!
Cringey Pony OC Challengefigured my last status would work better as a journal SO
I've got a little challenge for all my artists that love making MLP OCs~
if you want to, i'd sure appreciate if ya'll would design the "cringiest", most "mary-sue/gary stu" pony your brain can concoct, and submit your design to this journal in a comment. I'd like to do a piece about how cringe culture restricts our freedom as makers and consumers of content, so I'll be picking one of your "cringe" designs and drawing it! I'd like to make clear that this is not meant to be mean-spirited, your mock OC will be drawn respectfully, and hopefully be used to get those haters of "cringe-y OCs" to question why they feel the need to mock other people's harmless interests.
You can go however nuts you want. Break every OC-designing rule, design however you goddamn want. Wanna show me a rainbow-haired alicorn with jewel eyes and two sets of wings? Go for it! Make a black and red overpowered dark lord that cries ink black tears. This OC was designed by , their original (much better, lol) drawing is here:
edit: comments disabled because it's late and i'm tired, and some of ya'll are getting real huffy about a drawing of a rainbow horse with a flowery anti-bullying message. will probably turn comments back on later. For now i think i'm good on being told to kill myself. Great job convincing me cringe culture is totes necessary tho!
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Comments: 623
Starburst333 In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 20:28:13 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much, this is so important! Art is meant to bring joy, and yours always makes me happy.
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Drawer450 In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 19:11:29 +0000 UTC]
I guess you can say that it is a... May Sue?
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IraeCoal In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 15:06:57 +0000 UTC]
This was something I needed to see, I know I've stated this before but hopefully repeating it could be bared. I'm an older artist, nearing 30, who has had the opportunity to work in the video game industry for four years, due to mass layoffs I had to settle for finding other jobs to help support my fiance and myself. I've always had a complication with putting myself out there to avoid being labeled “cringy” or “underdeveloped” for doing things I love rather than dedicating all my energy trying to create perfect ideas as quickly as possible to gain enough solid work worthy of being in a portfolio.
This fear is toxic for artists of all stages, especially young ones who are still very new to this. However, its a toxic mentality for those older artists with their own anxieties and fears that have caused them to forget what's most important about the trade they long to make a career: the enjoyment of it!
Art in the end is suppose to be fun, you should have a passion for creating something and showing it to the world. This allows the opportunity for you to work more often, get more valuable advice on how to improve and working out your kinks for when/if you wish to make something to take with you on job searches. Draw things because they make you happy, it will give you the strength to push forward in either a future art career or just to add more to a world that's in desperate need for varied types of voices and visions of creativity!
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EarlAnnex In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 14:42:19 +0000 UTC]
honestly the only issue i have with some of those "cringe" (heavy quotation marks) stuff is some choices from color schemes. and not even from a "canon" standpoint - more from a "there's a percentage of rarity within me" standpoint; aka the "oh god this clashes so horribly" snooty fashionista reaction...
...ignore me.
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lexatea [2018-06-17 06:00:02 +0000 UTC]
This is, honestly, soooooo inspiring. I actually stayed away from my little pony because of being judged for "being too childish" and having "cringe" work. But I actually recently saw the mlp movie and I LOVED IT so much. Now I'm like obsessed with constant sketches. Even though, other people like my bf find It "childish", I completely love it and people shouldnt judged for doing things they love. It's your artwork and you draw what you want, no matter what people say! Keep up amazing work! I love your art
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MLPArtist933 [2018-06-17 04:47:38 +0000 UTC]
This is so true. I never tell anyone about my interest in MLP because of my fear of ridicule. But now, I am open about it. Thank you for this fantastic, inspiring post.
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LadySionis In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 04:22:58 +0000 UTC]
And what's so "cringe" about your work? You're one of the greatest MLP artists I've ever seen! Hell, I prefer your stories over the original show!
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dizzypopcandy In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 04:11:01 +0000 UTC]
OMG!!! That is so pretty! As well, I think the same thing, on my profile I have somewhat something similar talking about the cringe problem, but it's mostly for animations and the young kids who do it.
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MadMother88 [2018-06-17 02:39:50 +0000 UTC]
I imagine this group where, like, AA, we all go around in this circle and say what we draw. Then we all get some encouragement and then eat cookies... XD
I'm madmother88 and I... Draw pokemon comics!
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DrillBoysGirl In reply to ??? [2018-06-17 01:53:58 +0000 UTC]
I love your points and I love the comment you made.
I have trouble with Mother. I love her very much, and I know she wants me to be happy, but she is very obsessed with my sister and I getting rid of our video games and stop watching cartoons. Because we need to do adult things.
What the fuck DO adults do? I see you watch four hours of crime shows, how's that different?
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eddsworldbatboy1 [2018-06-16 22:40:40 +0000 UTC]
Personally. I wouldnt care about the "cringe" so long as it doesnt actually hurt my eyes or is too one dimensional, or if it doesnt make sense. If they do then i would just stay away, so long as it doesnt come back to affect me (such as it becoming the new standard everyone lives up to)
I still am concerned if someone doesnt improve these "one dimensional mary sue" kind of art. Especially in that of writing a story relating to it. A character that has no flaws is like the erosion of quality or standards in literature is what i am more concerned about. Altho, Literature and art itself is different.
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Redatomisk [2018-06-16 19:05:14 +0000 UTC]
I don't really care about rainbow ponies, but i will defend to the death your right to draw them (or anything else you want)!
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Frosty4Chara In reply to Redatomisk [2018-06-16 20:57:08 +0000 UTC]
Protecc other people's rainbow ponies?
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Moondust-Manwise [2018-06-16 18:55:44 +0000 UTC]
Yeeessss Queen! Trample that shit forever, I'm gonna make all the cringy, stupid ocs I want! It's more important to have fun and learn than to be stuck in a rut!
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Acat17 In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 13:15:44 +0000 UTC]
My ocs are probably overpowered and mary sues- But sure im fine with that. Nobody has really gotten mad over it. Yet. Well yeah i only draw them at school in fear of getting called cringe and it getting put in a cringe comp..
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Sacred-Socey In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 12:59:14 +0000 UTC]
i remember i first joined DA on an old account because i had seen your art. i was a big fan of mlp and begged my mom to let me make an account. i loved your next-gens and the way you draw, i was so inspired! i luckily was never attacked for my 'cringy' ponies and art, hell, even use of bases. but i hear these stories and it's so saddening. especially with kids. they're still learning what makes a 'good oc', and while i do support nice and helpful critic, saying it's shit to some little kid who just wants to draw his 'edgy' horses is saddening. even now i fear making red and black combos, since it's automatically thought of an edgy, over-powered character. this challenge is something that i've needed to help come out of my shell.
even if i'm no longer apart of the mlp fandom, i want to join this. i absolutely agree with this message! you truly are amazing for speaking up about this. please never stop being so creative and inspiring!
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sketchy-gem In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 11:57:14 +0000 UTC]
This is so important. It really captures my whole problem with cringe culture and more people should see this!
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DocDoughnut In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 03:37:21 +0000 UTC]
i believe people like to use cringe culture as a excuse to make videos and blogs exploiting others content and seem like they are the "better person" because they are the "normal one" because they dislike something and them disliking something makes them "cool",hence time to make some peeps feel bad!!
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nyahkitteh In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 02:42:36 +0000 UTC]
it's not even cringy omg its beautiful and i love it i will participate in this challenge ;w;
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meganhulan In reply to ??? [2018-06-16 02:07:33 +0000 UTC]
If people do not like it then do not read it. Live and let live. I don't like My Little Pony and I'm not gay but I LOVE your work. Your characters, the stories, this entire world you have created is just entrancing. People need to live and let live.
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spacedoutboi [2018-06-16 01:59:49 +0000 UTC]
I KNOW THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CRINGEY BUT THIS IS AMAZING HOLY HECK
I LOVE HOW AL THE COLORS BLEND TOGETHER IM SCREAMINF REEEEEEEEEEEE
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SelenaRH [2018-06-16 01:12:21 +0000 UTC]
Cringe culture is a good reason why I stick to my little bubble of "acceptable" things. There's storylines I'd like to pursue, but I'm always worried about what other people will say. I'm very sensitive to cruel words, and screw those that say I need to get a thicker skin.
I guess I envy you, and those that are able to put themselves out there despite the backlash they receive.
When I do it I just feel stupid. ;-;
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alistarandfriends [2018-06-16 00:52:04 +0000 UTC]
idk where all this """"controversy"""" is coming from. Of course, as an 'artist' (kinda, i try!), I'm often unhappy with how my old art turned out (too saturated, horrible shading, etc etc). But w/o those years as a growing artist (and these years as well, in the long run!) there would've been no way for me to draw as "well" as I do today. We all started from the same place - all of us had a time as babies where we could hardly draw a proper circle - so what's the point of screaming at people? I write, pretty regularly as well, and I know how it feels to read a story with a so-called Mary Sue or Gary Stu (the exact same feelings I get watching Luke Skywalker in the OT, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms), but in the end, the art/writing, it isn't for me? like, I'm hardly paying for kids on the internet to write me their stories or draw me their OC's, right? Though they may appreciate and be happy with people complimenting their art and giving them likes/favorites/the works, the art, in the end, is usually made for the creator's enjoyment, yes? As an artist/writer/musician, in the end, I'm putting in all this effort, doing all of this work, for myself. It doesn't mean that I don't like talking to people online about fandoms, or writing, or personal headcanons; it doesn't mean that I don't love it when people write comments complimenting my art - but in the end, we're doing these things because we love to do them. I write because I love to write, I draw because I love to draw, and I play piano because I love to play piano. If you want to criticize someone for their art/writing, that's fine! Constructive criticism, helping young people grow/develop as creators: nobody's frowning on that. But when you're doing all of this, remember that the art that you're seeing? it wasn't made for you. It was art specially chosen to be shown on a public platform by the creator: art that they could've never shown to anybody in the first place, art that they could've had you pay to see: it isn't for you. If you're getting on your high horse looking at art that you think is cringy, or telling people to kill themselves for drawing for a fandom you aren't personally in - then maybe the intended audience was never you in the first place! If looking at oversaturated humanoid animals makes you retch, then take your opinion to a place where you can enjoy art that you actually like, instead of flaming a comment section full of people that don't share your opinion! An artist makes art because they love to make art - and taking that away from them?
isn't that the most "cringy" thing of all?
tl;dr: artists make art because they love to make art, we all started somewhere, if you dont like something then find something you do like instead of hating on other people
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Miralai In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 23:45:53 +0000 UTC]
I love this message so much. Fear of being cringy/cancerous or making a mary sue is what kept me from making a ponysona for so long. But this? This gives me confidence. So thank you!
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screech-art In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 22:48:08 +0000 UTC]
all these people trying to justify bullying kids by talking about "if they don't take criticism, they won't improve!! we're motivating them!!!"
in addition to every point you've already made, OP, i gotta add: why are all y'all supposedly so invested in whether or not a total stranger improves???
like.
if someone wants to improve and actively seeks criticism, then by all means, help them improve! if someone says they're looking for advice or trying to improve, give them criticism!! help them!!
but a lot of people don't seem able to wrap their heads around the concept that not everyone on this site gives a damn about their own improvement. many people here are just kids having fun and trying to make friends.
a good number of those kids will grow up and decide, in their own time, that they want to improve. many will not.
AND THAT'S OKAY.
i don't understand why so many people here claim to care so much about whether or not a random 12-year-old improves their art skills. i barely have the energy to care about my own improvement sometimes :v
like honestly it just sounds like a line of excuses to mock people for being unskilled. which is incredibly lame, accomplishes nothing, and is just really mean in general.
not to mention counterproductive, since a lot of kids that may have grown up and begun seeking criticism in their own time stop creating art altogether and give up when publicly mocked in a "cringe" video.
y'all, if you care about improvement so much. focus on your own improvement. put that energy into your own skills, or direct that energy at people that are willing to and interested in taking your advice. do something productive and stop mocking children.
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TheBlueSonata In reply to screech-art [2018-06-16 06:56:24 +0000 UTC]
I've actually had a random person try to force me to accept criticism when I'm not openly willing to take it after what happened to my KIU character and when said-random person was ignoring my DA ID having Hobbyist under the name...
You make one of the best points ever.
I even told that person to help others who want it, not me...
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Tnynfox In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 21:30:14 +0000 UTC]
If you don't like it don't watch it; I've had to defend some pretty controversial stuff for my principles, which is better than allowing the mob rule of people deciding stuff shouldn't be made that offends them.
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zody5 In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 21:11:49 +0000 UTC]
I know that I'm probably going to catch SO much flak for saying this, and I'm going to preface this with that I wholeheartedly agree with the point Lopoddity is trying to make, but: I don't think a correct definition of criticism is being used here. To criticize something is, by definition, to judge it by it's strengths and weaknesses/point out its flaws (Merriam-Webster dictionary). Calling someones work awful and cringeworthy is not nice, helpful or constructive in the slightest but it is none the less criticism as a judgment is being made/flaws have been pointed out based on the perceived characteristics of the work. So, contrary to what the writer states, calling someones work "cringe or cancer" is by definition criticism. But here is the point I'm trying to make; something being criticism doesn't automatically make it ok to say. Criticism and verbal abuse CAN be the same thing and I think that trying to misdefine that abuse as not being criticism is less helpful than encouraging people to accept that some criticism just isn't ok.
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KarlaREH In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 20:54:10 +0000 UTC]
Please go on drawing what you like and encouraging others to do the same! Anyone who bashes someone else for doing that isn't worth a moment of your time or energy. The older I get (and boy, am I OOOOooold compared to most folks on DA), the more I realize that anyone who didn't leave behind in junior high the habit of tearing down others to build themselves up is a bitter, unhappy person who is still struggling to fill a void inside themselves by comparing themselves with others and trying to come out on top. It's a horrible, sad way to live, because no matter how 'cool' (see: OLD), popular, skilled, talented, edgy, sophisticated, cynical, or whatever-it-is someone is, there's always, ALWAYS going to be somebody, somewhere who's more, better, got more of it, and is happy to rub their face in it. They're always trying to run faster, but the treadmill is always being cranked up. The only way to be happy is to walk away from that and do what makes YOU feel good, whether it's drawing colorful anthropomorphic ponies or Disney princesses or furries or WHATEVER turns your crank. Comparing your *work* to others' work can be healthy, if you can keep from beating yourself up and use it as motivation to improve. But always do what makes *you* happy and never let others tear you down or bash your subject matter.
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JossaIyn In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 20:37:25 +0000 UTC]
what a lovely message. thank you so much for putting this out there with your level of popularity! beautiful art work as well.
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Fluffomaru In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 19:42:55 +0000 UTC]
can I just point out that a lot of people against this message are trying to defend criticism but clearly can't take it themselves??
like, they view this message as a possible criticism toward their behavior and they lose their shit, posting death threats, trying to argue that this is a horrible message and that you're a horrible person for it ect ect.
how is any of that taking criticism well? how is that 'thick skinned'?
they're misinterpreting the point for starters, but more so are just being giant hypocrites
basically acting like they can criticize anyone for anything but no one else can.
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Pedigreedy In reply to Fluffomaru [2018-07-05 01:20:31 +0000 UTC]
*whispers* its internalized self hatred and insecurity
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Kekepikapika [2018-06-15 19:07:19 +0000 UTC]
What you've done here is inspiring! I love this message and how you've shown your true strength to all the users who've tried to bring us artists down! Please continue to uplift and amaze more and more with your art. I love you, Lopoddity!
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ErsatEinrise In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 18:40:21 +0000 UTC]
SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
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PenOrSword [2018-06-15 18:07:42 +0000 UTC]
I actually high key love how this looks XD tbh Lop you can make anything look good!
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MJKalasky [2018-06-15 17:36:23 +0000 UTC]
This is some very encouraging and noteworthy stuff here.
On the MLP side of things, I've gone over in my head all sorts of ways to justify everyone going from loving it and treating it like it's the best thing ever to hating it and discriminating against anyone who still likes it, but managed to debunk pretty much all of them. The only logical explination I have left is this youtu.be/ddvlxzE0giY?t=3m
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Lopoddity In reply to LukieVani [2018-06-15 17:44:00 +0000 UTC]
Submit it to the journal, please.
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minneal In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 14:48:54 +0000 UTC]
Besides what has been said in the comments already about constructive criticism being a good thing and cringe culture's bullying being bad, designs like this are actually really fun to make! You can just let loose and design whatever you want! And this pony in question looks really good, in my opinion!
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TruePieGod In reply to ??? [2018-06-15 13:57:29 +0000 UTC]
That's not cringe
That's just a bad palette but ok...
I don't believe in destroying someone's art over the internet, but constructive criticism is something people tend to throw into the "bullying" category. No matter how much you want to candy coat it, bad OC's are still BAD and it's perfectly fine to give advice on improvement if you have it.
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Cheesy-Doodles In reply to TruePieGod [2018-06-15 17:45:18 +0000 UTC]
This is talking about cringe culture, not criticism. There two incredibly different things, trust me on that. It's pretty much people telling beginning Artist to kill themselves, which isn't criticism, it's bullying.
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Lopoddity In reply to TruePieGod [2018-06-15 17:43:32 +0000 UTC]
I stated multiple times that this is not an anti-criticism piece. This is anti-bullying, and people who advocate bullying creators seem intent on framing their abuse as necessary criticism. But there is nothing helpful about telling someone their work is cringe, or cancer, or that they should kill themselves. I got two notes this morning full of abuse, one threatening to shoot me, another calling me autistic. Is this helpful criticism? Nope. Just people looking to harass others for their "cringe-y" interest.
I'm tired of people deliberately misinterpreting my message just so they can get on a soapbox about how criticism is needed. No one is saying criticism isn't needed. Criticism doesn't even need to be polite, or all that helpful. But abuse is not criticism, and I'm tired of people insisting it is.
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DanksForTheMemeries In reply to TruePieGod [2018-06-15 14:44:40 +0000 UTC]
okay but most of the people getting attacked for "bad" OCs are literally 12 or 13. Offering unwarranted criticism that amounts to "this sucks fix it" IS bullying.
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