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After a long time of having this up, I've finally come to a decision.

I will never "agree to disagree" on this issue.

If you think banning gay marriage is right, you are wrong. It's beginning to piss me off.
(While any argument below this next line is over two years old, and probably not worded very well, I still stick with it and will defend it to the last. So, bring it.)

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In my most humble opinion, banning gay marriage is the most retarted thing our nation can do (except maybe banning abortion, but that's an argument for another time).
When I learned about the United States way back in fifth grade, I heard that this was the Land of the Free. Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom for us, the people, to make decisions. So why are we changing this? Why are we, as America, wanting to limit the decisions we can make? Why let the government control everything we can do?

Some people say that homosexuals aren't "natural." How are they /not/ natural? People are stuck with the sexual preference that they are when they're born. It's completely natural and not in their hands. You cannot persecute people for being black, or Indian, but we can persecute people for being gay? All of these things people are just born with, and all of these things have been around for thousands of years. Why, now, should we turn them away from society?

Some people say that it's blasphemy against God. Hey, what happened to the Freedom of Religion? Not everyone is of your religion. How can people complain about religion creeping into our schools and yet want to keep men from marrying men and women from marrying women all over the country for how they are of faith?

Some people just say that it creeps them out, that it just isn't right. Some people get creeped out by scary movies, but we aren't banning those, are we? And I'm sure most people have heard of "gaydar;" these people aren't going to come ask you out or anything like that if they aren't sure you are gay, too. Wouldn't they know the risk if they where wrong?

I've actually heard the argument that all the countries that had previously allowed gay marriage have not lasted very long, and that the basis of a civilization is 1 man + 1 woman= 1 or more children. How can you justify that more gay marriage means less kids? How many kids are gays going to have even if they don't get married? And, how many countries do you know that have actually "fallen" because of allowed gay marriages? How many have been one of the top countries in the world?

I do apologize if any of this has offended anyone of any sexual orientation. I'm not big on politics or advanced terminology, but I don't like stupid people, and I don't like it when people try to control other people.
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I saw this cute little bug on the way back from cheering for my aunts who were walking/involved in a 3-day breast cancer walk (I'm gonna put up some pictures a little later!). I had to take some pics. This was the best one with my zoom almost all the way zoomed and trying not to get my counsin's head or the side of the window or the other cars. I know it isn't the best picture, but I felt I should put it up anyway. I hope the driver doesn't mind. ^-^;
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Comments: 193

KaylalovesLuigi [2017-11-11 03:50:45 +0000 UTC]

can i use this on my bio?

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Zitronecye [2017-04-11 05:33:14 +0000 UTC]

Where did you get that? I need one

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whaiftees [2017-01-15 18:24:03 +0000 UTC]

we are all equal

Buy the Gaydar Tee Shirt @
www.cafepress.co.uk/dd/1821278…

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DracoAwesomeness [2016-01-21 16:24:00 +0000 UTC]

What's this supposed to be about?

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PixelmonGirl [2016-01-14 05:56:21 +0000 UTC]

Alright, if we are going to debate whether homosexuality is right or wrong, we need to know where we get our rights.

Where do you get your morality and truth?

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Joakim-ER-BEST [2015-12-10 17:10:39 +0000 UTC]

It's a matter of principle.
Denying people of the same sex to marry each other, is saying their love is worth less, plain and simple.
That's extremely insulting.
Who someone wants to marry is none of my [----] Busniess, as long as they're both content/ -understand-.

Now, I might not be the biggest fan of marriage in general, but that's a different story altogether. (Not like I'd want to ban marriage, I just find a contract on "love" sort of ironic).  [money/Sex/social-status/Feeling-like-you-won't-die-alone/Whatever*]

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koalalover48 [2015-11-24 22:35:04 +0000 UTC]

I completely agree. Although I am British and not American, I still agree that being gay is not a choice and the people who are gay have to live with that. I, personally, support gay marriage and their relationships in general, as I think it's quite cute. And if others disagree, that's fine, just don't go starting protests against gay marriage because that's not fair. There are many more issues in this world to be worried about than whether someone is getting married to the same gender. As you said, you can't persecute someone for being a different race, but can for their sexual preference? That's just flat-out stupid. I saw this quote somewhere and I think it describes this issue greatly in a few words: "Marriage is a right, not a heterosexual privilege."

I am sorry for going on this little rant of my own  , but I just wanted to state that I agree with you. If only more people could be as considerate as you then I don't think there would be a problem. 

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amandart1 [2015-11-14 20:01:24 +0000 UTC]

awwww

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Star-candy-catxx [2015-09-27 03:50:33 +0000 UTC]

I'm christian, but I still support gay marriage. 

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Starlingberry In reply to Star-candy-catxx [2016-02-14 10:04:57 +0000 UTC]

same

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Bonbon88 [2014-06-27 00:07:36 +0000 UTC]

Yea. Why not?
I would like to be able to marry the woman I love, if I ever happen to meet her

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Truucey [2013-04-09 00:43:56 +0000 UTC]

My uncle did a whole rant on this, and he came up with changing the definition of "marriage" to be a plausible solution. Still, with the whole "civil union" thing kinda being that... I dunno.

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Truucey [2013-04-09 00:35:05 +0000 UTC]

Meh. I'm not big on this. Mainly because of how mainstream it is.

I'm not supporter of LGBT. I'm not saying I'm a hater, but I don't directly support it. When I was younger, I hate hate hated it. I still do in a way, but not the same way as before.

My "hate hate hating" is the fact that this topic is way to one-sided. You and others make intense arguments as if the whole world is "OMG GAYZ SUK". Hey, they're pretty good arguments. Too good. Look at all the YES. THIS IS AWESOME. on this. It's not like you're gonna get much hate for supporting it at all. In fact, I don't see ANY hate. But. If you go to a stamp about someone not supporting it - not nessecarily hating it, but not supporting it, all you see is "YOU SUCK" "YOU'RE SUCH AN ASSHOLE" "FUCK OFF GO KILL YOURSELF". I made one a while ago, and I've suffered such wrath. But as they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So I started looking into everything more.

I found no reason to oppose this, so I stopped opposing it and went neutral. But apparently even if I'm neutral, I get attacked. The ratio of negative comments to positive comments on my stamp was about 99:1. I'm pulling that number out of my ass really, but only about one or two comments were actually positive and respectful, while the rest going off the walls insulting me and saying things like "You went too far when you made a stamp." (Which, by the way, is downright hypocritical.)

I want to be able to express my views as well without having to endure nothing but attacks. Is that too much to ask? It just enrages me when I see people saying "I'm so right. You're so wrong." without continuing an argument. (You defended your side very well, but other people... not so much.)

...I'm gonna regret posting this tomorrow when I get into an argument. Good night.

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koalalover48 In reply to Truucey [2015-11-24 22:46:48 +0000 UTC]

I agree with your statement to a certain extent. You are going to be neutral? That's fine. I won't say "OMFG you need to support this right now and fight with us you asshole!", because that's not going to get us anywhere. I'm happy that you don't agree with the harassment towards homosexuals, and I'm fine if you want to stay out of the fight. In a way, I am as well. I'm not much of a fighter so even though I want to stand up for it, what can I do? I'd eventually end up hiding from the fight (I'm a wuss, what can I say?).

And you should be able to express opinions without being insulted. People talk about always "express your opinion" "it's a free country", well apparently not, because we can't do anything, no matter what country (as I am from England), without people hating us for saying our opinions. 

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MissMackenzi In reply to Truucey [2013-07-08 07:45:34 +0000 UTC]

I should mention I'm the creator of this stamp, not some random person trying to start an argument.

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MissMackenzi In reply to Truucey [2013-07-08 07:45:05 +0000 UTC]

My problem with this argument is that, these people are being oppressed (at least in this country, USA) and you are upset that people don't like your neutrality. You're basically denying human rights, or being completely apathetic to the mistreatment of other humans, and you are upset that people don't like that? Yes, people should support LGBT rights just like they should support equal rights for all races, etc. And no you don't get any slack for being "neutral", I agree it's not okay for people to say go kill yourself, but you're upset that people get angry at you, while they're upset because they aren't being given basic human rights. They're no where comparable.

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Truucey In reply to MissMackenzi [2013-07-09 20:34:08 +0000 UTC]

I never said I wanted to deny them the right to marry, did I? I never said that same-sex couples were horrible and that they should never exist did I? I said I wasn't in the fight, so to speak. I understand that people are being oppressed, and I don't agree with the harrassment, oppression, and isolation of homosexual people, but I'm not going out of my way to fight it.

I'm upset that people are attacking me for staying out of the war of words. It's crazy out there. I don't wanna get involved. (And yes, I understand that I am a complete moron for commenting here in the first place. >.> I don't even remember how I got here, why I viewed this, or why I commented. I'm guilty in that respect.)

I'm not denying human rights. Nowhere did I say in my comment that I denied human rights. I even said:
I found no reason to oppose this, so I stopped opposing it and went neutral.
As in: I don't really care. It's not my battle. I'm not a fighter much at all, truly. I don't spend time of my life to support it. I understand the horrible things people do to same-sex couples, and I don't support what they do in the slightest. I'm just not gonna do anything about it.

One thing I don't like though, is people forcing thing upon others. I don't like gays rubbing their sexual preference in the public's face. I don't like them throwing gay pride parades to make for damn sure that everyone knows their sexual preference. I don't like people attacking gays and trying to force them to do who knows what - die? change sexual preference? be jailed? hide? To be honest, I have no idea what haters are trying to accomplish here.

People talk of "Why should you tell us what to do with our lives?" Well why should you tell me what to do with my life? Why should you tell me that I have to use my life to do things to participate in this fight? Why can you broadcast your views across the internet, the news media, the STREETS, but I can't say that I'm not involved?

So the gist of what I'm saying:

I don't like people bashing on LGBT. I won't do anything about it.
I don't like LGBT attacking others until they fight for them. I won't do anything about it.

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MissMackenzi In reply to Truucey [2013-07-10 05:58:07 +0000 UTC]

Your general apathy is what makes your attitude so unlikeable. You are literally saying, I don't want to help those people being oppressed, I'd rather sit here and do nothing. That is just as bad as wanting them to be oppressed and that's why people will call you out. Apologies for implying otherwise, I hope that was clearer.

As for not liking gay pride parades, I guess you will just have to not look at them. I can't imagine it's that hard to completely ignore the voice of LGBT since it's so vastly ignored by media, which is part of the problem. Quietly brushing them under the rug is a theory that's been tried and failed before. You'd think that if you hated gay pride parades as much as you hated people literally attacking the LGBT (and it's weird that you'd compare the two since violence against LGBT is a huge problem and in my opinion not really comparable to an annoying pride parade, but maybe that's just me) you would do something about it instead of insisting on your neutrality. You've lost your right to complain about them when you preach so hard about being neutral, but you already addressed the irony of even posting here and starting a debate, so, that's that.

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Truucey In reply to MissMackenzi [2013-07-10 14:22:06 +0000 UTC]

Would you rather me be one of the people who commits hate crimes? I'm neutral because it's a hot topic, and people will attack you whichever side you're on. If you're all for it in real life, school will be hell. If you're not for it on the internet, the whole internet will be hell. So yes. I don't want to help those people being oppressed. I'm not just talking LGBT, I mean most general groups. Breast Cancer Awareness stuff, the whole starving kids in Africa thing, I don't waste my own time with walks and stuff that ultamitely do nothing. (If people wanted to donate to find a cure, they shouldn't have to make people do some huge thing in order to do it. It's called "donating" for a reason. Then again, I don't make myself involved so I wouldn't know much of the technicalities of what they do with them.)

Yes, I don't really want to debate on something THREE MONTHS AFTER I POST IT. But if I have a debate going from anything, I continue it to the end.

Also, freedom of speech (or is this freedom of the press since it's typed words...?). dB Bill of rights, for the win. Whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch...
XD Sorry, just joking around right there.

You can't control my life. Stop trying to.
No one can control your life. I'm not trying to, and even if I was, I certainly wouldn't be able to.

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zombiefied-cupcake [2013-01-04 22:57:38 +0000 UTC]

icompletely agree with you! Beatiful word.

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TigerLove566 [2012-09-09 03:29:14 +0000 UTC]

Yes.

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Plesio-Fleaf [2012-08-06 21:38:11 +0000 UTC]

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SuperAlphaWolf [2012-07-10 05:07:49 +0000 UTC]

The only type of Christianity I was taught to believe was the one with a god who loves EVERYONE.
And also, it's fair to love who you want, be it guy or girl.thats what I believe.

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SandBladeRaider [2011-11-29 12:25:27 +0000 UTC]

The only time I would be against it is if the human race was dying, but even then you don't want a new civilization based on fake love! Plus, I thought Earth was overpopulating! We don't need any more babies, thank you very much. Population growth is the main source of polution, economics, ex.

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Truucey In reply to SandBladeRaider [2013-04-09 00:36:55 +0000 UTC]

Still, lesbians often get implants to have children anyway. :U Which is, in my opinion, complete shit going along with your overpopulation theory. If people are going to argue that, then I suggest they live up to it and ADOPT A FUCKING CHILD.

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cupcakebunny15 [2011-11-29 10:23:36 +0000 UTC]

yay, if I wasn't staying in a muslim country I would sooo want that

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boogiebear95 [2011-11-27 00:40:16 +0000 UTC]

A little fun fact, back when Greece had their empire, Every Greek Man Was Gay. It was thought that women weren't on the same mental level as men (which is it's own little feminist argument on its own), and men could only have true 'emotional relationships' with other men. They would have sex with women for necessity of reproduction. But with every soldier there was an apprentice (a lover). When the older man would grow old and die, the younger guy would acquire his own apprentice.
So, the sum of this whole history lesson is that being 'gay' isn't a new concept. It's natural. Even back in 'the old days'.

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knightblood In reply to boogiebear95 [2013-03-09 03:02:39 +0000 UTC]

Yea but that was mainly between old guys and young men.

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boogiebear95 In reply to knightblood [2013-03-11 01:20:25 +0000 UTC]

Yes.. But your interjection is impertinent.

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Arachnid95 [2011-09-11 22:01:35 +0000 UTC]

You, my dear, have won my respect. These are some excellent arguments. I salute thee.

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Zombiezeatlove [2010-11-16 21:11:29 +0000 UTC]

PUNCH BUGGIE NO PUNCH BACK!

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Emoeba [2010-09-01 23:31:08 +0000 UTC]

I love your picture and totally agree with your rant

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GermanWolf13 [2010-03-09 06:40:18 +0000 UTC]

FOR TEH WIN

I know at least two same-gender relationshipzz. There are a third pair whom I think connection is imminent ^ ^

And I totally agree with everything you've said.

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Ze-Russian [2010-01-12 02:27:09 +0000 UTC]

OK... I just gotta say, you freakin' rock for this!!!

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sniffybibble029 [2009-11-07 03:12:00 +0000 UTC]

wow, everything's been said already... oh well, i'll repeat

I believe that prohibiting gay marriage is unreasonable and frankly, idiotic. Doing this will accomplish NOTHING. If a homosexual couple were in love and at the state where they wanted to get married, yet weren't allowed to, nothing would change. If anything, their bonds would simply get stronger. They may not be married officially, but that makes no difference. I even made a picture of a lesbian couple entitled "Love Knows No Boundaries" [link]

BTW, i love the photograph, congrats to the people who put this on their car!!

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msMIM [2009-10-13 13:32:14 +0000 UTC]

and I like it very much...

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msMIM [2009-10-13 13:31:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes...Why Not?...there nothing badly in this be lesbian...

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lostforeveragain In reply to msMIM [2009-10-17 02:36:53 +0000 UTC]

Exactly! And thank you!

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msMIM In reply to lostforeveragain [2009-10-17 06:15:29 +0000 UTC]

You welcome my friend...

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KarolineDianne [2009-10-09 03:01:21 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely beautiful. ^^

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sixlessthansixty [2009-04-16 04:32:26 +0000 UTC]

I absolutely love this and I entirely agree with your point of view. I'm happy that there are people who feel so strongly about this--I live in the "Bible Belt", so you can imagine the kinds of opinions people have here.

(: But yes, I love the photo and the meaning behind it.

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April-Moon [2009-03-14 01:43:30 +0000 UTC]

Awesome pic!

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lostforeveragain In reply to April-Moon [2009-03-14 03:48:04 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! (: That means a lot to me.

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April-Moon In reply to lostforeveragain [2009-03-14 14:41:27 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

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siddywiddy [2009-02-23 13:27:48 +0000 UTC]

so true. i dont understand why it's wrong. :<

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Culeomew [2009-02-05 05:23:59 +0000 UTC]

It pisses me off when people think being homosexual is bad. God makes everybody the way they are for a reason. Everything is here for a reason. God loves everybody, and you're right, homosexuals are BORN the way they are. It has to do with hormones and stuff I think, but is there really anything wrong with being gay? Sheesh... the way people portray the way things are these days. Not that I'm old or anything.

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Iseestupidpeople [2009-02-02 14:03:58 +0000 UTC]

I think i might play devil's advocate on this one.

why not?

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wherewolfe [2008-12-15 00:52:33 +0000 UTC]

weeeeelllllllllllll............................ at least we dont take em out back, wrap towels round their heads, make them kneel down, and slug a .45 in the back of their head...theres a plus...

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lostforeveragain In reply to wherewolfe [2008-12-20 01:39:20 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure what you're saying here. 'We' being who?

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wherewolfe In reply to lostforeveragain [2008-12-20 19:30:04 +0000 UTC]

americans. well, any civilized countary for that matter. but i was referring to america in that specific eample.

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