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Which one do you prefer? While I like the theory of the current Hulk comic and that Jen Walters takes the mantle, I think the writing is poor and heavy-handed. It took to issue #5 for us to see the new Hulk.I'll keep reading, but I'll say I am disappointed with the writing & character representation so far.
Enjoy my quick pic of the two side-by-side (my interpretation). I gave my new Hulk bigger hips, because the comic art she just looks too manly. Sometimes Hulk gets these weird gorilla like proportions. I don't know how pro comic artists cannot represent a very muscular woman w/ feminine qualities? In this case, there may be virtue signaling involved and the point is to avert the "male gaze"?
Sigh I miss the old days of comics. I miss John Byrne and the classics.
Anyway, I have a new poll up. Let me know which She-Hulk / Hulk you prefer from the Marvel comic run!
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Anytime! Keep up the great work!
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So she is grey now?
Is she Jen or a female Fixit?
Or just a female with a bad temper
Inquiring minds wanna know....me of course
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Yep she is sort of female fixit, except with more trauma issues, guilt complex, and glowing scars!
The book went full Hollywood schlock clichΓ© in the last 3 issues, the art wasn't even consistent in #10!
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Classic She-Hulk where she keeps her IQ. Sexy, smart, and SWOLE!
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Nice, my choice as well
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I completely agree with you and you touched upon a pet peeve of mine. The original premise was that Gamma radiation is suppose to mutate the individual. The Hulk wasn't turned into Mr. America. He was turned into a monstrous brute. Muscular for sure but still brutish looking. The same should have applied to the She-Hulk. She is not suppose to be a green fitness model or even a green female bodybuilder but a green monster.
Thus, my version of the She-Hulk is much more brutish AND menacing looking ...
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... And here is my second pet peeve about the She-Hulk. What has made the Hulk so successful is that Banner doesn't want to be the Hulk because the Hulk does bad things. He is a creature driven by rage and can sometimes cause more harm than good. Yeah, he may stop a store robbery but at the expense of trashing the entire building. From a practical perspective, it would have been better to let the robbers get away.
And, in a 'real' world environment (such as the universe populated by the Ultimates), it is likely that innocent people would be hurt or even killed as well. When the She-Hulk was first introduced, that was the path that she was on. She didn't want to become the She-Hulk. She even feared it because she knew how dangerous she could be.
I recall a scene from issue #7 where she is being chased by the police and she says : "The Fools! Don't they realize -- I'm running away for THEIR sake! My temper is so TERRIBLE! It is always simmering near the surface -- ready to EXPLODE! I'm afraid of what I might do to them if I did stop!"
I think that if Marvel continued with this approach, and if done correctly, the She-Hulk could have become a major character in the marvel universe instead of a second rate one.
The current series has, thus far, has left me unimpressed. I was hoping to see the She-Hulk return to her roots but plagued by an ungovernable temper causing the She-Hulk to surface.
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Yeah I didn't think they would go back to the original Savage days but I thought they would try to give her bigger roadblocks on her road to recovery and show her reconnecting with the other super heroes. I mean she doesn't even go honor the fallen from Civil War 2!
The writing is just lazy
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If they hired better writers i would say the new one but as it is the old one does not have modern Marvel laziness and lack of understanding of what people like in comics dragging her down. Man Marvel got bad. It pains me to say that.
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You nailed it. The new writers and editors are writing based on agenda and politics instead of looking at the history of the characters and going from there. Marvel books are in a sad state.
Disney might be letting this happen to kill the comics part of Marvel and just have all the development be through TV, movies, and video games in the future. That would really suck but that seems to be where their headed because book sales are in the toilet
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This is the SJW movement in a nutshell. Bland boring characters with no character depth riding off the success of the original characters as well as making the original characters Nazis or dead. Women can't be women anymore for some reason as well they have to all look the same and have the personality's of brash men. Nothing is the same anymore and it is killing the brand because this SJW movement appeals to a small group of like minded people that are disconnected from reality. It is doomed to fail because of the hatred it was birthed out of is just hatred bordering on racism.Β Marvel was built on flawed troubled characters that were interesting. Now we got characters with no substance to them and no character flaws. They do not want to offend anyone by having flaws. They even replaced every popular Marvel character even making Captain America a Nazi. Give it a year or so before they are not making enough to justify this creative change and another shakeup will happen. A damaged brand is not a good money maker. True talent will always be reward more over virtue signalling.Β
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Which characters do you feel aren't allowed to have any flaws?
And Captain America isn't Nazi now. I don't blame you for thinking that. The marketing of Secret Empire was pretty misleading. But That was an alternate Steve Rogers from an alternate timeline. Norma; Steve is back now and back to saving the world.
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Riri Williams is constantly being told how great she is and can't make any mistakes even if she loses a fight she is showered with praise and congratulations. She has no struggle she is too perfect. No one ever tells her she needs to improve.
I might add they made Nazi (Hydra is a faction of the Nazi's) Captain America lift Thor's hammer as well. That is a disgraceful thing to do making that happen especial with the connection to the Nazi thing. It was the original Captain america they just changed him after the end of the ark he was changed back. A copy was fighting him.Β
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So, I'm the one who likes both. I've actually been enjoying the new series. As a service member, I know a lot of people who suffer with PTSD and I feel that putting Jen through this type of arc is amazing. She tends to get placed into throwaway stories or made to be a joke. I think this gives her some character depth.Β
Personally, I'm okay with the delay in the Hulk coming out. It worked with the story. Just my two cents.
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Hey that is cool that you like both! I think her new design is good, except I don't like all the glowing open wounds. Doesn't make sense that she hulks out and those open up rather large every time. The nose scar and maybe some cracking around the eyes might work but I don't know.
Yeah I mean PTSD is a very serious issue and I think of they had set up her trauma in an epic way I could agree. But she is only traumatized because she heard Bruce Banner is dead. She nearly died because of Thanos and her body is different due to whatever the S.H.E.I.L.D. doctors did to her during Civil War 2. But she hears that Banner has died for the millionth time and NOW has severe trauma. That I find unbelievable since she didn't experience anything like this during World War Hulk or Secret Wars (1980's original) or any of the other numerous "deaths" of Bruce Banner.
Heck even during World War Hulk when Hulk returns to Earth, he beats the hell out of her! I mean he might and put more of a hurting on the heroes then than Thanos in Civil War 2! She has survived so much and held it together I think it would take a more major loss / betrayal to cause her the level of trauma she is experiencing in the current book.
The beginning of the run felt like an unused Batman story. You have mystery murders and Jen Walters caught in the middle of it taking 5 books to get to the damn reveal and climax. That works for a detective story, but not for Hulk IMHO.
While I do like the new design and that they are making her larger and more Hulk-like, they get it wrong in areas and I'm not a fan of the excess glowing scars.
Hopefully the writing gets better. I'm only on issue #5 so I need to catch up but I was inspired enough to make this and I will do more down the road
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All valid points. I just hated the character being a joke during Bryne and Slott's runs. She's got such great potential and Marvel just wastes it.
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nice - I don't read a comic in ages, so I don't know what is going on.
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Thanks man!
Don't waste the time or money on the books unless you can borrow or find them free. If the story picks up I will recommend it, but so far it is mediocre at best
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I do as well. The new design is good, the writing though is poor.
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The new form could have had some promise along with the story. Just that they sort of squandered it much less dragged out any moments to have no real payoff to it. Much less them possibly having some other legal shenanigans going along in the backdrop for why they went with this mood.
Certainly the previous form is a lot easier on the eyes, though still suffer the continuing issues that hardly a staple to her character that can consistently be shown besides green female and strong aspect.
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Well I hope they can pull it out in the next few issues because this like many other Marvel titles are selling like hot trash.
Jen Walters is the Hulk now, second to none. She needs to tackle A-list villains and threats on her power level.
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Wait and see how the "soft rebranding" with Marvel Legacy does for the title. It at least acknowledge Jennifer side, but not much else going for it.
Except not the stories they seem to be doing. Frankly always been the lack of identity for her in the solo. Even team books mostly she is the strong and nothing else part of the team.
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For my money, I think the book has improved somewhat since they got over their Hulk teasing but even then it's definitely not good.
Heavy handed hits the nail on the head but beyond that the complete lack of context to Jen's situation (and it's a solo title, so "you need to read Civil War 2!" isn't a valid defence, good stories don't make you do homework) makes the story feel lacking in any meaningful grounding.
Not to mention the inconsistency. They make a HUGE deal out of Jen's first transformation (which for something they teased for almost six months, a predictable anti-climax), then just two(?) issues later, she's out working out her frustration as (She-)Hulk and able to just talk to Patsy like it's no big deal. Oh and that's just about the only time there's any recognition of the fact Jen is grey now but it seems to be a case of mentioning it, only so it can ignored. I mean, isn't Jennifer even SLIGHTLY interested to know why she's turned grey? Isn't anyone else? If only Jen knew a fuck tonne of SUPER GENIUSES or something? That's not even getting into the idiocy of the no-fucks-given by apparently anyone Jen knows about this precipitous decline in her mental health - oh, sure... they check on her but no one thinks maybe they should get some professional help for the woman who has the power set best associated with rage fueled rampages?
A good question about professional comic artists... maybe they just seldom have occasion to draw muscular women? Or maybe it's just a writ from on high - who knows. The cover art has been great... the stuff on the inside - it varies. Especially as we seem to be changing artist a lot. Probably not a good sign.
Honestly, I feel with a bit of tweaking - the story could actually be pretty decent but I'm far more interested in seeing what the community produces these days.
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The problem is you have a writer that has basic knowledge of the character.Β She admitted when she took up the book she knew nothing of the character.Β Mariko lack of knowledge shows every issues.Β From macro tfs in issue 1-6 to, teenage she-hulk? in issue 6, to lack of knowledge that jen's transformation would not have change this much by just trauma.Β Never has death or trauma changed her this way.Β Only through like magic or radiation.Β Then there is ton of plot holes in this book and never resolved from CWII.
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Macro tfs? Teenage She-Hulk?
What?
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I meant micro tfs.Β That is what marvel.com called what we saw in first couple of issues where she didn't full tf.Β Teenage She-Hulk is reference issue 6 where flashback with Jen and Bruce.Β Artwork is so awful Jen looks like a painted green teenage She-Hulk in several panels
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Oh, right - when they spent most of the first six issues just teasing a Hulk out... and then having built it up for six months, didn't even try to make it worth the wait.
I hadn't noticed the "teenage" She-Hulk before but looking at it again, that's a great way of describing it. Which is silly, given that Jen would have to have been in her mid-to-late twenties when she became She-Hulk but then again, she randomly became grey (with green scars) - so, gamma radiation, how the fuck does that work?
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Trying to get answers from this series is like trying to pull your own teeth out.Β The series pretty much shrugged at audience looking for answers in issue 5.
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Absolutely. Even if the writer didn't know anything about She-Hulk before, shouldn't she know something about what happened to her in the context of her own story?
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Either she has no idea how to or doesn't want to.Β She not answering any questions about it though.
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I can't imagine she'd come off any better for answering questions.
Especially if her starting position is "I know nothing about this character." Anything after that is going to feel like an attempt to justify a bad idea.
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I have said before elsewhere its time to change writers.Β Mariko done good work with Supergirl mini and Tomb Raider book she wrote.Β This character not suited for her writing.
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I suspect the story arc is going to wrap up in #12, so she may leave then. Goodness only knows we've burned through artists.
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Not going to happen because legacy renumbering starts with what would have been #12.Β She still the writer.
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Legacy numbering? Jesus wept.
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Yeah it gets worse.Β Leader showing up (which under different circumstances might be good) and Mariko saying that inspired by Stephen King for the story.Β :Face palm:
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Really? She tried to cash in on the release of IT? Sigh.
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I like the commentary! You make some very good points! I only made it to issue #5 and I was disappointed with the lead-up only because it felt like the buildup to a mediocre Batman story than a Hulk story.
And why is only Hellcat checking on Jen Walters in the new run? And you make a great point that there are other gamma-powered geniuses around, not to mention super geniuses in general. No one dragged the Leader to the hospital when she was in the coma during Civil War 2? How about Doc Samson? Heck, get Tony Stark's hologram in there it is smarter than all those doctors! And Mr. Fantastic? Doctor Doom is good now, have him check her out.
But they pretended like Bruce Banner was the only gamma genius around and he's dead now for the millionth time. And do the writers not know that his doctorate is nuclear physics and not medical science?
This is what happens when you hire diversity over qualified talent. Nothing wrong with diversity in the comics industry, but find writers and editors who know the books or will research the history of the characters!
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For my money, it improved after #6. It's still not great but at least they're not trying to tease a Hulk out anymore. Not that I have a problem with teasing that kind of thing - it can be amazing but when you're reading a monthly comic with less than 20 pages of action (and I use the term action advisedly), it kinda kills the pacing. Actually, a lot of people have been far kinder to the story when they've read the first six issues back to back. It feels like it's swimming against the tide of the format in that regard - if it was a trade paperback, it would be fine but it isn't.
I think they had Captain Marvel check on her? No, wait - that was when she was still in the hospital, if I recall. The absence of Doc Samson was strange but I seem to recall he was dead but I think that was before a universe reboot? Gah, this is reminding me why I am pretty selective of my mainstream comic intake. I mean, all serial fiction is lousy for continuity and consistency but comics make Dallas having a few seasons being a dream exclusively to resurrect a popular character seem like Shakespeare by comparison.
Still, even if Bruce is dead, even if Doc Samson is dead - there are a bunch of people who could have offered some kind of help be it medical or psychological (she lives in a universe where telepaths are an actual thing!)... and when you're basically a weapon of mass destruction, I'm not sure you get to say "Nah, I'm good." But then again, I think it's fair to say Marvel and DC are committed to the way things work - even if it doesn't make much sense. That's probably why I like Grrl Power - it's clear the implications of superheroes have been considered beyond "Boo, mutants!"
Banner having his doctorate in nuclear physics is irrelevant - it's how pop culture tends to treat intelligence. It's a single, homogenous block - basically a big ol' Swiss army knife that can be used to solve any problem. Also, Bruce is on the 8 smartest people in the MU list... so, yeah. He can do anything.
Honestly, we're talking about the industry that anointed Rob "How do you draw feet?" Liefeld as its messiah at one point - I don't think diversity is the problem.
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