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Shelby--San In reply to Metros2soul [2013-05-20 21:56:14 +0000 UTC]

I'm truly sorry, I just read this, and.. For the note you sent me.. I just never knew what to answer. I wnatesd to, believe me u_u
I should have credited you, yes, I know.
I won't ever do it again, and I really wish you can forgive me.
I don't want to be an enemy of yours and I wish you read this.. and forgive me

Thanks...

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Metros2soul In reply to Shelby--San [2013-05-22 09:56:38 +0000 UTC]

I didn't have a problem with you using my picture. What annoyed me the most was no credit anywhere yet you credited your friend for ideas. My picture was watermarked with my name across it. Crediting is just a sign of respect. If the idea or picture isn't yours, then just using it and not crediting makes it look as though it belongs to you.

As for noting me back, a simple note would have sufficed. Just ignoring me made it look worse.

I do forgive you. You can resubmit it if you like, but as long as there is credit.

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Shelby--San In reply to Metros2soul [2013-05-22 19:11:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!
Yet, I didn't ignored you :3
Anyway, I'm happy evrything is back to normal, and has for Luna, I know I'll be hated for this but, I totally agree with you.
I also saw a change in her style...
o3o

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MrShadowMan In reply to Metros2soul [2013-05-10 13:26:10 +0000 UTC]

First, when I wrote that it was late, I was tired and had a not-so-beautiful day.
And I was not lazy, I'm not one of those guys who type fast. It's just sometimes I may fail at English.

However that MewtwoMoon made everything. I'm just saying that she didn't copy. Your drawings and hers have different backgrounds, different poses, and even though she may have taken. I'm just saying...that I saw her drawing many times, and I saw she never used models of your drawings.
Personally I think that she started imitating your style, and then she got used to it, but I'm just saying they are not the same drawings.

I just...don't want her to get banned because of this.
I know her, I know she is not a thief. Maybe she may have start a drawing by looking at yours, but I'm just saying she doesn't just "trace" or "copy" or "steal" a drawing. She just gets the bases, I think...

The obvious is "MewtwoMoon's art looks like a lot Metros'". But if people say "This drawing is Metros', you have no right in putting this in your profile", then I reply by saying she drew this by herself, she didn't trace or copy.

But yeah, I think you're probably right, maybe she could write something in her profile like "Metros was the first deviant who inspired me, that's why our styles are very similar", but I swear that she draws by herself, I swear that what she draws comes from her heart, she draws exatly like you do.
I'm just asking...don't blame her too much. She's still young, she will find a style that won't annoy your friends by looking similar to yours.

Sorry if I acted angry. And I'm sorry if you were hurt...

If we didn't meet on this situation we may even have been friends, maybe...

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Metros2soul In reply to MrShadowMan [2013-05-10 14:17:36 +0000 UTC]

She will not get banned as long as she does the right thing. Taking my style, drawing in one similar to it, and not crediting me for inspiration is not only insulting, but hurtful to me personally as an artist.

I spent a very long time refining my style. It took me years. Just as I have as style for my Zim art, I have one for Mewtwo as well. It really is unfair for somebody to just come along and take that away, inspired or not.

We all have not-so-beautiful days. That really isn't an excuse to go about calling my friends 'jerks', don't you say? You don't know them. You just jump in and defend your friend because you think it's the right thing to do without knowing the facts. Fair enough. But I have a say too, as it's my art that's being referenced from.

Whether she made everything or not, the fact remains, and she herself admitted to it. She uses my style. Not that I have a problem with it, as I mentioned. I am happy she likes my art. I am not happy that she has to do so without at least crediting me.

No, she's not a thief, but the more she draws how I do, the more people are going to pick up on it. I know she just wants to show her art and get better, but she needs to learn that to do so she really needs to find her own way. She can use my drawings for ideas, and references, but it really isn't that hard to ask or credit.

Bases? What bases? I don't draw bases. If you mean how my images are posed, then yes, that's referencing.

It really hurts me when people do this, despite they may not think it. I don't blame her. Trust me, when I was her age, I wanted to be like many artists myself. But it just comes across as rude to me that she doesn't associate with me at all and favourites my friends work. I won't bite her. If she wants tips or advice, I'd be very happy to help her out. I just don't want her copying and referencing from my stuff and acting as though I don't exist. Her friend =TheBlueMew2324 did that, and that did annoy me somewhat. You just don't take somebodys work, trace it then don't credit and not expect them to inquire about it.

I'm not trying to scare Luna off, or hurt her by this. I just want her to know that I do notice the things she does. I am hurt, it's just unfair. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy she likes my art enough to draw from it, but if she really respected me as an artist, she would credit me. It's just the polite thing to do.

What's to say we can't be? As long as this is resolved, then I am not going to block you if those are the lines you are thinking along. I'm not that sort of person.

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MrShadowMan In reply to Metros2soul [2013-05-10 17:40:27 +0000 UTC]

Did I call them...jerks? Really?
I don't remember I did, I usually would never do that kind of things...but if I did, I'm sorry, as I said I had really a bad day...again, I'm sorry for calling them jerks, if I did.

Now I understand. I'm sorry if you're hurt...
It's just...I'm trying to search for the differences between Luna's drawings and yours, because I saw her drawing, and I know her, I know she puts all her heart in what she does. But I also understand why you feel bad.
So I just sent her a note to ask her to give you credit, at least in her main profile page.


I know you are right, but please...let her draw.
That's one of the few things that make her happy.
And she's not a bad person at all...it was me the one who acted like a jerk, and I'm sorry for that. And I think she envies you a little...
You seem a good person, and I didn't want to act as a jerk...
Again, I'm very sorry if I acted angry, now I don't have the time, since I have to go, to tell your friends I'm sorry...would you do that, please?

Ah, however I don't think that copied you on purpose...her boyfriend, the deviant she mentioned, asked her to draw a Mew in space, that's why he gave her that idea, and I think she just looked up a Mew image and found yours on google, and then she just didn't think about mentioning the artist.
That's my opinion, she's one the generally looks for models to draw. I'll ask her as well to mention the artist she uses...

But trust me at least when I say that she draws with all her heart, as I think you do as well.

I hope we'll forget all this...

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Pat-The-Kitsune In reply to MrShadowMan [2013-05-10 19:18:19 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm...Let's review the comment you refer to us as "jerks" in. Shouldn't be that difficult a comment for you to remember posting given it was written ON YOUR FRONT PAGE less than 24 hours ago: [link]

You know, I found this whole situation pretty amusing because of the fact you came to both myself and Teenie, ranting and raving about how we "insulted" your friend and were "being mean" to her. For your information, all we did was state our opinions. And you think that gives you the right to refer to us as "jerks"? If we really had meant to "insult her," we could have thrown out a number of demeaning names. But we didn't. Seems your the only one here who was immature enough to resort to name-calling in all this. Congrats on contradicting yourself.

Now for future reference, kindly take the time to apologize to our faces if you're going to apologize at all. It's not as though either of us blocked you from being able to do so. And it's extremely disrespectful to insult others for merely stating opinions that are in no way insulting and/or mean. We certainly weren't calling her names or yelling in all caps like you were when you responded to us. Fine if you want to defend her, but you should really understand BOTH sides of a situation before you jump in with caps lock on and insults blazing.

Nobody here said she couldn't continue drawing, as we've stated several times already. All we wanted from her was credit for Metro, whom obviously is the inspiration behind her work. And same goes for if she's going to copy Metro's work again,which by the way, shouldn't have been done in the first place. There IS a difference between referencing a work and completely ripping off an image. =TheBlueMew2324 could have easily been reported for theft had she kept that picture up without credit to Metro because it was literally an exact copy of Metro's work. Your friends need to learn the difference between referencing/being inspired and copying, because some of the images found go beyond just the referencing stage. Referencing is when you look at an image so you can understand the design of a character better for your own personal drawing purposes. It does NOT include taking the EXACT position that character is in and redrawing it. THAT is considered stealing and NOT referencing. The artist in question has to put at least some effort of their own into creating an image different from the original. And I don't mean by just changing up the background. What drew was clearly more than just her referencing Metro. Even if she didn't know Metro was the one who drew the original picture, it should go without question that SOMEBODY did draw it. And no matter who the artist, drawing an exact replica like that is NEVER acceptable. She can be inspired, fine, but she damn well better be coming up with her own positioning of the character and not just slap a different background onto it. If she wanted to use to same position, she should have taken the time to hunt Metro down as the artist and ask her permission first.

As for the links Teenie left, likewise, =MewtwoMoon should have asked Metro's permission before using the same positioning Metro had posted in that sketch dump. Had she asked and given Metro credit, I'm certain Metro wouldn't have minded in the least. However, she rather took it, posted up the picture, and then tried to take full credit for a position that wasn't her own idea. And don't you dare try to deny it. Take Metro's sketch dump ([link] ), flip it horizontally, and compare the second and third sketches with =MewtwoMoon 's picture: [link] . There's no denying where she got the positioning from if you look at the head from the second sketch and the body from the third. Hell, in fact, allow me to make it easier for you: [link] You cannot deny proof like this.

As such, Metro would appreciate the credit she deserves. Metro is happy to know people like her art enough to be inspired by it. But there definitely is a fine line between pulling inspiration from something and trying to position a character exactly as they're seen in another person's picture. That's taking things a bit too far unless you already have the artist's written permission to replicate that position. As for the similarities in styles, =MewtwoMoon should really try to branch out more and make changes to her style. You can pull ideas from other people, but it should never suit an artist to stick with one single style for too long. If you want somebody to be able to tell the difference between your art and another person's art then that's reason to continuously be tweaking your style so it doesn't look like a copy of another person's style. Metro spent years developing the style she has now and it's very recognizable to people on here. She should not have to change that style and so =MewtwoMoon should be the one stepping out of her comfort zone more to create her own style that people will recognize her for. If she doesn't take the risk of playing around with her style more then she has no right to complain about people commenting on it looking like Metro's. That's certainly not Metro's fault. Metro worked hard to get where she is. =MewtwoMoon has to do the same if she's really looking to differentiate herself from Metro and make a name for herself.

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MrShadowMan In reply to Pat-The-Kitsune [2013-05-10 20:51:49 +0000 UTC]

Ok, listen: I'm sorry.
Yes, you are right, Luna should have given credit to Metros, I had a really bad day and acted angry, I was wrong, I am sorry, I just want to get out of this story...

I'm sorry, I didn't want to address you as "jerks"

It's just I saw her while she draws, I know she puts all her heart in what she does, but yes, she should have given credit to Metros for what she took from her. Although she didn't copy everything at all.

Again, sorry for acting angry and immature, I had a bad day, and I thought that my friend was gonna be banned for this story, and I didn't want it to happen.

So I asked Luna to give Metros credit.
But please, let Luna draw...that's what she does to find happiness, and I want her to be happy.

And TheBlueMew is not a bad person...she just forgets, I think, she needs models to draw sometimes, and she forgets mentioning the original artists...

But Luna has the right to draw using the style that fits her most. If she has to give credit to Metros, so be it, but don't demand that her style should be a "copyright". Many different artists can share the same style of drawing.

Again, I'm sorry for everything.

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Pat-The-Kitsune In reply to MrShadowMan [2013-05-10 22:33:57 +0000 UTC]

You seriously need to get your eyes checked. For the last time, we never said she couldn't draw. I think this is perhaps the third or fourth time we've said that now so quit acting like we're saying she can't. That's not what we're saying. But credit should be given to Metro for the style she uses. Fine if she wants to use the style but as I said in my last comment, she doesn't have a right to get mad at people if they comment about it looking like Metro's art, because it IS inspired from Metro's work. If she has such a problem with people mentioning the fact that it looks like Metro's work, that's not Metro's fault and it certainly isn't anybody else's fault. As such, she can either suck it up and accept that people WILL see the obvious resemblance if she keep at it or she can do what every other artist does and try to come up with her own personal style. If she doesn't want to do that however, then it's nobody else's problem but her own should people make comments about it.

She can't stop people from thinking the way they do and if she wants to lay claim to a style that was originally associated with Metro's work, then she's sadly mistaken because Metro has been posting art in that style for YEARS before =MewtwoMoon even joined this site. Believe it or not, styles aren't something that just exist as general things for different people to pick up. Artists can spend YEARS tweaking and coming up with their own way of drawing. Lord knows, I've been developing my own style ever since first joining DA. And I'm happy to say my work has never resembled that of anybody else. So if you want to believe that it's impossible for any one person to develop a style all their own, then you're sadly mistaken also and need to take the time to look into more art on here.

I can easily relate art styles on this site to certain deviants for the fact that they took the time to develop their art in certain ways. If somebody wants to come along and try to imitate a similar style to somebody else, that's their own choice to do so. I'm just saying, she won't make much of a name for herself as an artist if she doesn't work to break free from the similarities people see in her art when compared to Metro's. If you can't understand that, then there's really nothing more for me to say to you at this point.

If an artist works hard enough at developing a certain style, then yes. It most definitely CAN become a copyright to their name. In the IZ universe, there's such a style known as JV style (which stands for Jhonen Vasquez's style). His style is copyright him and even though some people try to draw like him, they most definitely DO credit him when it comes to using the style he created. And if you've ever heard of Bleedman here on DA, there are people who credit him when they try to create art in his style. So styles most definitely can be custom-made to one single person. And I think Metro has worked hard enough to lay claim to the style she uses. People know her work when they see it and they can tell when another person just has a style that is similar to it.

=MewtwoMoon is a beginning artist and while it's fine if she wants to remain in her comfort zone with the inspired art style she picked up from looking at Metro's work, it would do her well to EVENTUALLY do something a little different.

Perhaps you think I'm being harsh in saying all this, but quite honestly, all your current protecting is going to stunt her growth as an artist. She can take offense to this all she'd like but the fact still stands that this is advice that would be helpful to any artist out there. I'm not saying she shouldn't have fun with her art, mind you. But stepping out of your comfort zone sometimes is the best way to pick up new techniques. I imagine she's here to improve her art as well as have fun. Well, the best way to improve is to never stop learning. Can't very well learn though if you constantly stay in your comfort zone. That would be like holding a person back in school just because they did so well in one grade that it's terrifying to think they might do horrible in the next.

So as I said before, you can think of this as harsh if you want, but sometimes artists need a good harsh dose of reality to motivate them towards improving. If you want to think of me as a jerk for saying all this then fine. I don't doubt that this reality check will at least sink in at some point. It's like when parents punish their kids for getting bad grades. Kids usually think of it as some horrible curse set upon them by people who are older and can boss them around. But really, when they get older, they learn to appreciate what their parents/teachers/legal guardians did for them.

Maturity and understanding go hand in hand. People grow in maturity when they come to understand what their elders did and said before them. She's 14, so I imagine she may try to hide this comment eventually. But if she at least reads it before then, perhaps the understanding will eventually sink in for her and she'll make her own decisions regarding what she wants to do with her art.

I'm willing to accept your apology at this point but you should know that everything we're saying is for her own good. We're not bad people out to kick her down so she never wants to get back up. We're merely experienced artists who have been at this for a long time now. We've all received this sort of harsh criticism in the past and trust me, it's crucial for an artist to hear at some point in their life. While it's true many artists are self-taught, that doesn't mean they're not constantly learning from other artists around them. I've been self taught since the moment I could hold a pencil but I've still pulled important lessons from the people I've met on this site. Stay in your own comfort zone if you want, but improvement DOES require direction from somewhere. It's great that you want to protect your friend but don't overdo it. She'll make mistakes just as we all do. Let her face those mistakes on her own so she can grow and learn from them. I think Metro will appreciate the fact you're speaking to her about this. And we never said anything about trying to get her banned in all this. All we're looking for is that little bit of credit to Metro. People steal Metro's art and rip her ideas off so often it really shouldn't come as such a surprise that she's looking for a little credit. She didn't put years worth of work into what she does just so other people can take the credit for it. She deserves credit when people either use her work and/or take inspiration from it. It's only fair and that is our main objective.

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MrShadowMan In reply to Pat-The-Kitsune [2014-01-18 23:01:54 +0000 UTC]

Maybe you're right...I'm sorry, I was angry and I wanted to protect my friend, I didn't mean to hurt anyone...you're right, Metro deserves credit...

And I'm sorry for answering this late...I had too many messages in my inbox, about 8200

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LunaticDuplicate In reply to TeenieLover [2013-05-08 20:31:22 +0000 UTC]

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TeenieLover In reply to LunaticDuplicate [2013-05-09 14:51:20 +0000 UTC]

Alright, if it's getting 'tiresome' for you, then that gives me the impression that various people have picked up on what I have already said, so it's not just me being picky, it's an ongoing trend, which means you need to ask yourself something: Why do people keep on saying this?

There is such a thing as being 'inspired by somebody', but a completely different thing to blatantly copy another. More than once shall I add. If you do admit to being 'inspired' by Met's work, then for the love of god at least state so in the description, and that's the very least you can do.

Who else were you inspired by, which photographers and such?

It's pretty obvious that me and many other people just saying things like 'you copied Metro' and 'this looks like Met's work' isn't convincing, so I thought I would be the one to actually show you instead, okay? Thought it would be fair.

Let's talk about this one: [link]

Which was taken from Met's second sketch here: [link] . Please flip Metro's work (or you probably have already tbh) and compare that to yours. Look at the head shape for christ sake. And just as the majority of people liked that sketch of Met's most, you used it. And don't deny it, because that's pathetic. The style and textures you use on your Mewtwo work is highly similar to hers as well. I'm not a digital user myself, so it's hard to point out certain elements.

And look sweetheart, don't try to be a sarcastic brat with me or you'll get it in return. Iv'e been on here longer than you, I know how to function this website, but thanks for your concern anyways.

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