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A picket sign my boyfriend and I made for a Free Tibet rally.Related content
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Before I thought that the Dalai Lama was Chinese and that Tibetans were just a particular vivid Chinese ethnic group.BOY,WAS I WRONG!.Now I know that before China invaded Tibet in like the 50's it had always been practically a different country.It's to bad no many countries are willing to help Tibet openly out of fear of losing commerce with China.
Personally I think that China gradually dropped communist ideology after Mao died and now only keep to have the benefits of the control,enforcement tactics and military that come with communism and are justified by it when in practice the country is basically capitalistic (something it learned and picked up on quickly after getting Hong Kong back).Maybe one day China will be so "drunk on capitalism" that it will leave give a little leeway for some concrete deals on Tibetan autonomy and maybe independance to happen?.
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It breaks my heart when I know how the Tibetan (and Taiwanese) people are suffering under the boot-heels of the depraved communist party. No one deserves such cruelty
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yes indeed. it happens in many other places all over the globe. but as time passes and as every thing changes also this will change.
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The sad thing is the Chinese Communists (I refuse call these bastards "China". That's an insult to me as a Chinese Canadian) did the same thing they did to Tibetans on the Han people first and turn them into godless commie bastards, the move on the the rest of Chinese.
The great strategist Sun Tzu said "Know thy enemy, win the fight". I think you might find what I have interesting because the thing I worked on is designed to help people know what is the RED CHINA.
None of these would happen if China is "Republic of China". The free republic that respect people of faith and believes.
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i'm a tibetan, and i greatly appreciate you taking the time to go to protest china's brutal and illegal occupation of tibet. thanks
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nice pic
but seriously speaking this is an unfair topic that has had a great impact on the world.
bjork was only speaking the truth when she was live
"check the signiture"
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if you really believe you are right in this argument, why do i see all of these censored comments that (anyone would assume) may have proven you wrong?
do not block people. argue with them. if you can't build a proper argument, then you obviously don't know more than one side of what you're talking about and should stop pretending you do.
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more to the point: a lot of these people whose comments you have hidden 'do'.
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How do you know that? I hid there comments because they were just being plain rude to me.
They had no facts, so please don't assume things.
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i can see i am getting nowhere here.
you ignorantly refuse to be reasoned with.
you take nice photos, and obviously have good intentions.
for that i applaud you.
just open your mind a tad.
and learn to deal with opposition.
goodbye.
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Okay . . . But, why are they trying to stop the Olympics in Beijing?
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for a human right in tibet.
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To put it simple, they don't deserve it. They have cut out all human rights in Tibet, and they don't treat their people all that great either. I'm not against the Chinese people in any way. Just the Chinese government.
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Tibetans tortured for their religion? That's not true. In fact Tibetans have more rights than the Chinese. Also before the 1950's Tibet was under the feudal system with so many serving under the Dalai Lama. Tibet, under China is a lot better than it has been in the past.
But I guess to each its own.
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more rights? no way, its the chinese who have more rights thanthe tibetans, especially since they opened up a railway to the mountains, chinese people are comingin and buying their land and exploiting the land, building hotels and other attractions unfit for the nature of Tibet... all under the name of the chingchongs that moved in there. They claim Tibet has developed thanks to the CCP and chinese ppl, but no, only thechingchong businesses that arrived there are receiving any benefit. And all this is henously "legal" under the unfair chinese laws, and when tibetans cant take it anymore and rebel, they are portrayed by the chinese as dumb, violent, irresponsible fanatics. :C
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Can you show me proof of that?
Because I in fact know many Tibetans. I've heard their stories first hand. I'm good friends with a woman who stayed with the Dalai Lama. She also helped Tibetan refugee children. She has been working her ENTIRE life to save these people. She married a Tibetan and adopted a couple dozen children, who had lost their parents. Another friend of mine lived in India for a year. She helped all of the children coming across the mountains, in the freezing cold, wearing barely nothing. Many refugees die coming across into India, and why are they making this horrible journey? TO GET AWAY FROM THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT. There are videos of Tibetans being shot by the Chinese while making their treck across the dangerous mountains. I also have so many videos of interviews with Tibetans, sharing their terrible stories. Why would these people make all of this up if they are so 'happy'?
So please, do not make assumptions. I know these people. They are not happy. And it's people like YOU who are keeeping them from happiness.
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It makes my heart ache to hear that fellow Buddhists are being hurt like that. Pure evil, the Chinese government has never been much for the whole humane treatment thing have they?
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Last time I checked, never.
Thanks for your support!
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You are indeed, welcome.
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Just to throw it out there. Tibetans like all other 55 minority groups can go to college without charge or having to go through the rigorous college entrance exams like the Hans. This is just one of the many things they enjoy.
One more thing, Tibetans who leave the country are those who are not happy with the current situation. There are also those who are happy with the current situation, hmm... Who cares about them when we can stir things up here?
I totally see where you are coming from. But Dalai Lama had his share of history as well. He was a wealthy slave owner who also had a history of skinning his slaves.
I know that it looks like this is one big political issue, but really we see Tibetans as our brothers and our sisters. Western it's something the Western media cannot understand.
Last but not least, China lacked nationalism for so many years. Why are we banding together? Because this time, you've really angered us.
My professor was there when the uprising happened. It's not a politcal or race issue. It's largely economical as rural Tibetans are not being helped with their issues. I understand why you are angry, but many things take time. Please, give us any kind of chance. They are not our political toys, they are our brothers and sisters.
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Pardon me for saying this almost one year too late.
I hate to say this but this nationalism you speak of is a very dangerous thing. Heard of Adolf Hitler and the 1936 Berlin Olympics? Its the same kind of nationalism that wipe people's ability to think away.
You are in a free world now, I think you should take a look at the thing I am working on.
Trust me, I used to believe the Chinese Communist would bring us all glory and honour and I was so dead wrong.
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I would like to see proof of the Dalai lama doing that.
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Just to be clear, this is of course not the doing of modern Dalai Lamas. And of course, the Chinese government have brain washed all of us and the pictures are probably all photoshopped. There's nothing more I can say about anything, so I'm just going to become a spectator.
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Banding Together my ass. You ppl say that cuz if you don't China will be shattered to pieces. But when the government and big heads act they neglect the ethnic minorities. The fact that THERE ARE people who leave Tibet itself shows how muchsome Tibetans don't like what's going on in there. Have you forgotten the mid20th century uprisings? The chinese did really a great job beating bald monks to death with gun butts and batons. These days they shoot the Tibetans trying to leave china to the south.
Yeah, economical issues. They don't want chinese "outsiders" coing in and building malls and hotels and making money offa their land. To the chinese it may seem like they are "being friendly" but the Tibetans don't like it, period.
The Tibetans you claim that likes china are brainwashed younglings, no doubt. See what's happening in HongKong. The adults refuse to count themselves as Chinese people than the children do.
Wigurs, Koreans, and Tibetans. Your country is all trying to reeducated them.
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That was very well organized and sounded completely intelligent.
Just like I can't speak for the Tibetans, I don't think you do either.
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Rly? Then why did we have that conversation?
I hereby voluntarily state, that I replied to your post so that someone else might read what I wrote about, a splash of harsh, evil truth about China...
...because: while there are quite a few Western morons that ARE trying to take a piece of Chinapie, quite a lot of other ppl are admonishing China not cuz they are Western powers and they like to dominate, but they are speaking for what they believe are basic human rights, that transcends the young democratic revolutions of the 1700s, that stems from the thought that there are really unfairly treated people in China and foreigners have the empathy to care. It is like where a hubby chronic beats up his family without legimiate causes and when outsiders can't stand the stinging empathy and try to ease the suffereing, the chronic abuser shouts back at them and tells them to mind their own business, that what happens in the China household should be delt the (Commie-)China-way. For outspoken Western human rights ppl, it is a bit more than being nosy and domineering Occidental ppl. I know history has given Chinese ppl this perception of the West (and also fueled by public education that propagandizes this).
Speaking of those numerous "nosy" foreigners, there are quite a lot more U.S. Democrat fools that are ohsofriendly with China, making stupid movies about it and glorifying the evil regime(and no, not evil cuz its communist, but evil cuz of what it's doing), cuz they wanna look smart by mentioning a thing or two about the Great Worm of China, or about KungPao Chickenshit, and watch Kungfuck Panda-- it all adds to the positive facade :C Another reason I replied here.
I dunno how I sounded "intelligent" to you, but thx...? You seem patient beyond expectations, or unstung, or not (mainland) Chinese...?
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Nah, I actually admire that you take your time to research. Very much unlike a lot of people. I'm all for having a cause, but not blindly having one.
I am Chinese, but I didn't grow up in China. I've traveled around quite a bit.
It doesn't matter anymore. While you can take steps to stop what's going on in China, there's nothing I can do much I can do to change the politics of China. So I'm just going to be a spectator in this issue.
Changes are being made, but it can't be made overnight. Patience is the key.
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What you are saying is incorrect, in my opinion.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Dalai Lama said that he wanted "autonomy" of Tibet, and not complete separation from China. Let's say that Tibet does gain freedom, how do you suggest that it survive when 90% of it's fundings are from the central government? When it's land is not fertile to grow crops?
I am right on with you about the torture that's going on. That has got to stop. But this local corruption is not under that direction of the central government.
Communism is an ideology, one that might not work but ultimately meant well for its people. What could China want from Tibet that it doesn't have? The useless land? To enslave their people? Tibet was never acknowledged as a country. Moreover if the Hans never intervened, Tibet would still be many slaves under a couple of landlords.
I love Tibet to death, and I was bathed in songs of Tibet's beauty while growing up, even in the U.S. There are so many more Tibetans who do believe that they are our sisters and brothers than those who hates us. We have done many wrongs, but don't let the sky you see fool you into thinking that that's how big the sky is.
Have you heard what the Serbians and the Russian are saying? "We are so proud of China, for it continues to fight. Don't let the West take you apart like it did to us. We have no wealth, no power, no nothing."
Or should the Chinese be like the North Americans when they first came upon this land? Just shoot and kill the natives so there's no resistance later on? What about the Hawaiians? Land that U.S.A. know it doesn't own. All was settled with "We're sorry we've done this to you."
One day, one day when the West stops acting like it's taking apart all countries that it rivals, maybe more people would listen.
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And I suppose the Buddhist Monks are suicide bombers?
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Even the head officials on human rights agree that the Tibetan people are denied basic human rights. It's disgusting.
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Are you being brainwashed by the chinese media or something? These Tibetans are being denied their basics human rights and their culture is bieng destroyed. If china was the victim, why would the blocked media coverage in Tibet? Why would the block certain sites in the internet from chinese people for being 'dangerous'? Why dont they just show whats happening?
Why, because THEY ARE THE VILLAIN. Why would you support The Chinese Communist government? I don't understand. The chinese people themselves are not being treated as 'great'as you might think. The goverment even makes the families of people who got executed pay for the bullets that killed they were killed with.
I think that you are the person that doesn't understand. You have no basis for your facts. It's like your a puppy dog who will follow whatever your master says. Just because your goverment say that tibet is the villain and they are the victim doesn't mean its true. You people make me sick.
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We love Tibet to death, we sing of Tibet's beauty, and we have never said Tibet is the villain.
The villain is the West who stir matters up. We acknowledge our fault, but others need to understand that local corruption is not the same as corruption of the central government.
Communism is an ideology that states all should be shared equally. It may not be the best policy there is but it was what brought all of us together. 5000 years of history, we have our rights and wrongs. To say that China doesn't deserve to hold the Olympics is just heart breaking... The Tibet issue has exist and known for years before Olympics was decided to be in Beijing, whey speak out now? Where were the heros back then? Why stop Taiwan's return to China? Why take Tibet away from us?
Was it so wrong to free the Tibetan serfs from the few landlords? What could we want from Tibet? Its land is not fertile, and its slaves we freed? There are so many more Tibetans who think of themselves as other brothers and sisters, do you understand the love between 56 different groups? And would you understand how much it would hurt every year to see 55 different groups and languages instead of 56? Truly, what I stay up for ever since a little kid to watch once a year.
Why do you hate us so, and never give us a chance?
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Yeah, yeah...when all else fails, blame the West. The amazing thing here is that CHINA is the one at fault.
You might want to take a deeper look at China. Its not just about theft of a country, it goes much deeper. Ya know, that whole bit about encouraging mothers to abort their daughters, or the massive deceptions with their own people. Great firewall of China and all that jazz. Or maybe you should look at the way they deal with people who try to speak their minds? Oh! There is also the whole religion issue! That there is a nasty topic!
The Chinese people are supposed to be wonderful people. But they need to open their eyes to the horrible truth of their country. They need to stand up to their government! Stop acting like sheep!
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Yes, I agree with you completely.
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Support tibetans in their struggle for freedom
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