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Published: 2008-10-28 02:16:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 3212; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 31
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Link is very fond of Sheik's corndog. Sheik is more than happy to share.(Yes, I know that corndogs are pretty anachronistic for Hyrule, but it makes more sense than some of my other choices.)
I'm quite full of spite and vinegar lately.
I apologize, once again, for using my camera as a scanner, and a rather shoddy one, at that. It was the only way I could upload it while keeping the colors more or less intact, and without making it grainy as all hell, since my REAL scanner is cheap. When I get a better scanner, I'll re-upload everything properly, I swear.
Colored pencils are a lot harder to "paint" with than I remember, especially on a limited palette. I can't wait 'til I can get watercolors again (which is weird, because up until a few years ago, I used colored pencils exclusively and I HATED watercolor).
Anatomy issues, as usual. Critiques and/or redlines are welcome and encouraged... as usual.
EDIT: At =metal-icarus 's advice, I stuck a cast shadow in there. I really, really hope it looks better, and that I didn't screw it up somehow.
I hated the eye-blinding white void, too, because it made everything look dark by comparison, but I had no idea what to do about it, so I stuck a more neutral background in there. Gawd, I'm so lame.Prismacolor pencils on Bristol board. Link and Sheik are copyright Nintendo.
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you argue that shiek is a man. you dont argue that zelda is a woman. you dont argue against shiek being zelda in disguise.
think about the logical fallacy there
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There's no logical fallacy at all, except your attempts to misconstrue my argument into something that it isn't, in order to make it easier for you to argue against.
Otherwise known as the Strawman Fallacy.
Though, ironically, your outline above is accurate (I don't argue against Zelda being a woman, but maybe that's just bad wording so I'm letting it slide), and yet you think there's a logical fallacy involved.
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you think shiek is a man. there is so much that is specifically wrong with your arguement that its unbelievable.
explain why exactly you think shiek is a man
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I don't think he is, I know he is, because it's explicitly stated that he's a man in the game and in the official media. It's obvious to anyone who isn't deliberately and willfully ignorant. It's an established, objective fact.
I've told you this several times already and yet you act as though I haven't. Why is that?
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lmao your either a troll or ungodly idiotic. please make a poll. go anywhere on the internet.
shiek is zelda. zelda is a woman. if 1=1 then 1=/=0. shiek is a costume. she disguised herself as a masculine figure, yet she is still a woman.
if zelda is a woman, and zelda is shiek, then shiek is a woman. basic mathematical and logical principals that i have no fucking idea how anyone could miss.
seriously. i'm posting your comment in a journal post buddy.
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"lmao your either a troll or ungodly idiotic."
Fallacy of False Dilemma. Another possibility is that I'm smarter than you.
"please make a poll. go anywhere on the internet."
Fallacy of Appeal to Popularity. I was unaware that random people on the internet are a more valid source than the video game that Sheik originates from or that facts could be decided by popular vote oops oh wait THEY CAN'T.
"shiek is zelda. zelda is a woman. if 1=1 then 1=/=0."
Fallacy of False Analogy. Clearly it's not a case of 1=1 unless you think Sheik is a blue-eyed, fair-skinned Hylian princess with thin, feminine features, instead of a red-eyed, dark-skinned Sheikah servant with athletic, masculine features. You're the one arguing that 1=0, not me.
"shiek is a costume."
Completely irrelevant.
"she disguised herself as a masculine figure, yet she is still a woman."
Strawman Fallacy, you're arguing Zelda's gender again.
"if zelda is a woman, and zelda is shiek, then shiek is a woman. basic mathematical and logical principals that i have no fucking idea how anyone could miss."
Fallacy of False Analogy again. If Zelda has blue eyes, and Zelda is Sheik, then Sheik has blue eyes OOPS WAIT THAT'S WRONG.
"seriously. i'm posting your comment in a journal post buddy."
Ooooh, I'm so scared. Go ahead and get asspats from you friends, I really don't care. It doesn't change how wrong you are or how right I am, and it doesn't change objective fact. Fallacy of Appeal to Popularity yet again, perhaps with a little bit of Appeal to Threat?
Not a single, solitary sentence in that last response of yours held any argumentative merit whatsoever, you still completely ignore and refuse to address the evidence that you (repeatedly) DEMANDED me to give you, and you still haven't refuted the fact that Sheik is a man. Care to try again?
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if a lesbian looks like a man, and some people refer to her as one, is she a man?
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Does she call herself a man? If no, then no. (Although according to you even if she was actually a transgender man, he would still be a woman due to lack of a penis lololol what a joke.)
Another false equivalence -- Sheik is not merely a woman that looks like a man (not necessarily a lesbian, by the way, thanks for stereotyping) being misgendered by ciscentric idiots, it's outright stated by official media of Ocarina of Time that he's a man. There's no evidence whatsoever that Sheik was created to be a male-bodied female or anything but a cissexual man, by Zelda or anyone else. That's merely speculative bullshit asserted on him by people who have misunderstandings about the concepts of gender and personae, sometimes with a little transphobia thrown in on top of it, and/or people who take Brawl as canon because they don't know better.
If that lesbian creates a male character that looks like a woman, that she outright calls a man, is that character a woman? What if she cosplays as that character? If people call that character a woman, why are they a better authority than the person who created him?
If she cosplays as Link, does that make Link a woman?
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no, its the idea of perspective. if you fool someone into thinking your another gender, does it make you that gender?
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It's the idea of you're denying empirical evidence and arguing Zelda's gender again.
If a woman is dressed as Link, and you walk up and say, "Hey Link, are you a man or a woman?" what's the answer going to be?
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she is a woman. if she said she was a man, it would be a lie. quite obvious
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You didn't answer my fucking question. I didn't ask you what her gender was.
If a woman is dressed as Link, and you walk up and say, "Hey Link, are you a man or a woman?" what's the answer going to be?
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most likely the truth. she would say she is a woman dressed as a male character. ironicially shiek isn't a character at all. its simply zelda's costume she wore in training by impa, and she used it to evade ganon. she never said she was male or female. every character introduced to her ASSUMED she was a male based on appearance.
the question is unrelated.
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HAHAHAHA no she wouldn't!
Are you deliberately not answering honestly, or do you seriously have no concept of acting or roleplaying or personae or anything like that? Because no actor worth their salt would answer as the ACTOR when you address the CHARACTER. If a woman is dressed as Link, and you walk up and say, "Hey Link, are you a man or a woman?" the answer is going to be, "I am a man, of course!" because she is in character.
If the aforementioned women from a few posts ago dresses as her made-up male character, the answer is the same, she will say, "I am a man, duh!" because she is in character.
Just like Zelda when in the guise of Sheik. If you walk up to Zelda dressed as Sheik and ask, "Hey Sheik, are you a man or a woman?" the answer is going to be, "I am a man."
The question is absolutely related, because it's the same scenario. And you know this, which is why you refuse to answer the question properly. The only way you can do so is by conceding to my premise.
Check. Fucking. Mate.
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would you immidiately assume everyone would commit 100% of the time to a costume enough to deny their own gender?
and shiek might have said that she was a woman. it was never explored in-game, and the characters assume her male. it might have been a very manly female costume, or it might have been an asexual costume that people simply had a need in-game to label, which makes more sense seeing how it was a training outfit she wore, and simply was foreign enough to keep her from ganon's clutches.
its really, really amusing how hard you want to defy the fact that a mask does not have a gender independent of the wearer. it might conceptually, but not in reality. a man with a mask of a woman is no less a man, just a guised one.
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You're arguing Zelda's gender yet again. Gee, it's as though you don't know what the hell you're talking about and yet you still cling to it so tenaciously. What makes you think crossplaying as someone else is a denial of your own gender? Oops, wait, it isn't. Yes, if a person is ACTING A PART, they are going to answer questions ADDRESSED TO THE CHARACTER as though they ARE the character. That's how acting works. It's not denying your gender anymore than it denies any other part of your identity like your name or personality. God. Damn.
He might have, except that Nintendo says that he's a man, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe that he did. So much empty speculation with nothing to back it up. There's no reason to believe whatsoever that Zelda intended to become anything but a cissexual male. None. At all. Anywhere. You have no evidence that Sheik was "simply a training outfit", especially since looking at his concept art and in-game graphics that's CLEARLY not the case. You have no evidence that Zelda deliberately made herself look like a woman with a male body, let alone how stupid that would be for someone who wants to keep inconspicuous. It's all empty speculation.
Except that Sheik is more than just a mask. Masks don't have races, either, yet Sheik claims to be a Sheikah, which Zelda clearly is not. Odd how these same arguments apply as much to race as they do to gender, but you fully agree with one while denying the other, for no other reason than because you want to. Oh darn, looks like we can add special pleading to the list, too!
You're still arguing Zelda's gender instead of Sheik's.
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they are the same person. shiek is not a different person.
think about this please.
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in a way, yes. she was not wearing a disguise until she named it. she was wearing training clothing. her unfamiliar appearance allowed her to simply go by a title derived from shiekan.
it was a disguise more fueled by the inner monologue and social interaction between the characters than a "halloween" costume. she left her identity in the hands of those she came across, and never claimed to be a man or woman. the entire premise was to be mysterious after her training so ganon wouldn't be the wiser. her disguise was anatomicially indifferent, and therefor the only outlet for debate is zelda's gender, which is still female.
the rest of your and the game character's assumptions go completely on the basis of initial appearance and preemptive sexual identification rather than actually finding the information in her character.
if she was intended to look like a man, she would, but such is not explained beyond opinionated sexual derivatives.
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HAHAHAHA you are making absolutely no sense. "She was not wearing a disguise until she named it"? So did she "name it" or not? First you say that Zelda is disguised as herself, and then you argue that Zelda is disguised as someone named Sheik. It can't be both. It has to be one or the other.
Or the fact that Nintendo says he's a man OUTSIDE OF THE GAME. Gee you keep ignoring that I wonder why oops no I don't it's because you have to.
If she "left her identity in the hands of others" then why did she use the name Sheik and call herself a Sheikah? That sounds an awful lot like she's playing a character that she made up oops.
A character that is also a man.
"it was a disguise more fueled by the inner monologue and social interaction between the characters than a "halloween" costume." WTFFFF??? Are you serious? Sheik and Zelda look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT how can you even say that?
"Anatomically indifferent" are you fucking serious?? You're deluded, that's the only excuse for this.
You are speculating all over the place, and you are making shit up because you can't deal with the reality otherwise. You claim that Sheik can't possibly have a gender outside of Zelda's even though that's not how acting works, and yet you're perfectly comfortable with accepting that Sheik is a Sheikah even though costumes don't have races either, outside of what is asserted onto them.
You didn't think this through at all, you're simply applying the logic where it conveniences you, and then changing it when it doesn't.
"finding the information in her character." But I thought you said Sheik wasn't a character.
You are the most disingenuous person I've EVER had the misfortune to talk to, and I talk to creationists on a regular basis.
"if she was intended to look like a man, she would" And he does, because he is, and you can't argue the contrary with honesty or integrity, or else you would have done so already.
Game fucking over.
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so mad x3
but its pretty obvious that she is a woman
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Only to the deluded.
Guess that means you've run out of intelligent arguments, not that you've had one to begin with.
Oh well!
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hoho someone's been copying and pasting things from encyclopedia dramatica again i see
no matter, an arguement this obviously in my favor is a wonder to have lasted so long. you definitely are persistent at denying the idea of objective vs. realistic thought
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Yes, an argument that you had to lie and weasel your way throughout was obviously in your favor.
Ahahaha oh please show me where I copy-pasted anything from ED. More lies. You're the one parroting memes when you couldn't deny your shitty argument anymore, not me.
So how's that attempt to put me in my place with your journal entry coming along? Didn't work quite like you thought it would, did it? What a shame. You did such a good job hiding the trail back to the spanking you'd received, too.
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lie about?...
shiek is a woman, and we all know this. you haven't provided 1 bit of positive evidence that separates zelda and shiek's gender. and being the same person, i highly doubt you can find such evidence.
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Just for starters, you lied about my supposed lack of evidence, which, OOPS, you just lied about again.
I've shown you the very evidence you keep asking for , and yet you pretend it doesn't exist. Every time I give it to you, your response is to go on a long bullshit speculative tangent with nothing to back it up except your word, in the hopes that it means you won't have to acknowledge the evidence. I'd bet money that you'd have done it again here, except that I've just called you on it.
You're doing an awful lot of twisting for someone who "obviously" has the argument in their favor. How strange! This should be easy for you, come on.
Then again, maybe I've overestimated your cognitive ability. At least, moreso than I did at the start. I'll do it slow for you.
This page. See this page? The page from Zelda.com about Sheik? There are words on this page.
What do the words say?
You can copy and paste, it's okay. I'll let you.
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the proof is in the pudding. "seems he"
OBJECTIVITY LMAO
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And here we prove once and for all that you really can't argue your point with any honesty or intellectual integrity. Either that or your reading comprehension really is that terrible.
No, you silly nitwit, the "seems" is not in reference to "he". The "seems" is in reference to "wants to help". If Nintendo was calling into question Sheik's status as a man, doing it by saying "It seems he wants to" doesn't make any fucking sense.
"It seems Sheik wants to help," in other words, is what that means.
The status of Sheik's manhood is never, ever called into question on that page.
The only explanation I can think of that you would make such a mistake (unless you actually are that stupid, and since you can get yourself on the internet just fine, I doubt it) is to do it deliberately, because otherwise you would be forced to agree with me.
You are yet another person who can't argue that Sheik is a female without resorting to bullshitting your way through it. If your position really was as true and objectively factual as you claim it is, you wouldn't have to resort to lying and weaseling.
Face the fucking facts. Zelda is disguised as a man. Sheik is a man. I have the evidence, you don't, and your insistence on willfully deluding yourself toward the contrary makes you a fool.
Game OVER.
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Okay, I gotta jump in here too, sense it seems you are unable or unwilling to parse basic grammar. The FULL quote is "The mysterious Sheiks motives are unknown. It seems he wants to help."
Its not "it seems its a he" or anything like what you're trying to imply. All you did was cut up a sentence until you could MAKE it fit your argument.
Take this sentence for example "Dante224 is not a weaselly guy who can't debate for shit" How easily I can change that to "Dante224 is... ...a weasel..." to serve my own ends. See? Easy! Not that the first sentence was true to start with.
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you dont argue against zelda being a woman*
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she is zelda. they are the same person.
your argument is like this: if a person wears a mask, are they transformed into that physical person, which is an interesting statement, but by that logic: if a man in the costume of a child rapist has sex with his wife while she is in the costume of a child, is it illegal?
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This done by pencils? Dang you're good O3O
This is pretty cute. XDDDD
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Sheik and Link would make such a cute couple. :3 Somehow, it just seems like Sheik would be all serious and mellow, and Link would be goofy and boisterous. That's the way I picture it, anyway.
Thank you kindly.
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Tee hee same here. XD Sheik really is serious and Link is kinda like a kid. X3
No problem. :3 *loves your icon*
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Well I definitely want a corn dog now...
:3
I love how you coloured this. The shading is awesome!
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I don't think there's any anatomy issues at all, it looks great the way it is! Their shadow on the floor is a great touch, I might try that! 
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Haha, you should. Shadows are handy things.
Thank you.
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I imagine Hyrule castle or a town/city or something in the background. x: I love the job you did with the pencils, especially the shading on Sheik. ..And the shadows came out nice!
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Ahaha, that would be nice, wouldn't it? Probably not the middle of town, though; I'm not sure either of them are into exhibitionism, hee hee.
Thank you kindly!
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...Oops, commented on the wrong screenname. xD This is ~BrokenApollo .
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Heh heh. Yeah, I admit, corndogs don't fit in the Zelda universe very well, but a popsicle would've made even less sense.
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I got the whole corndog joke it's just that at least it wasn't a banana that's for sure.
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Oh, shoot! I didn't even think of using a banana.
I gotta remember that for later.
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Subtlllle.
I really like how you handled the lighting on the bodies, but the ground is just completely flat. Maybe you could add in their shadows, or something?
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