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Published: 2016-06-18 23:36:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 22325; Favourites: 2282; Downloads: 0
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Today is Finchwing and my 1 year anniversary ;o; It's crazy to think that a year ago we started dating, which probably also started the best year of my life thus far. We couldn't spend it together IRL, unfortunately but we visited each other in Toronto for nearly three weeks, which was super nice and felt like an entire lifetime.I really miss her and I hope I can visit her again really soon ;o;
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If you disagree, you either:
1) don't see anything wrong with hindering a truthful message by expressing it in an abstract manner, or
2) have an objection for my line of reasoning.
If it's the former, I must ask: why? Why would it be okay? It takes away from the meaning and credibility. If it is the latter, then please, demonstrate me the flaw in my deduction and/or starting points.
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The feeling is mutual.
Well if it's about this sexual orientation topic now that's a better question, the thing is: people don't take this too seriously.
Or at least people outside the Furry community. People drawing themselves as animals to representate romantic situations is usually just an artistic metaphor of how the artist sees things, it doesn't necessarily mean bestiality, that's absolutely not the intention.
It's just meant to be artistic, I doubt people think about sexual implications beforehand.
Unless you're part of the toxic population of the furry community... which is a different and less sane topic.
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I basically reformed my initial issue. What it is, that people don't take seriously, then?
No, I don't interpret art by concious intention alone. I try to read what fundamental desires and thoughts motivated such a form of visual expression. For example, I think I can judge from the visual style alone whether an artist has - or would - made sexual works as well.
Yeah, well, that is exactly why I tend to look deeper into these things.
I don't get it: what is so unless one is part of the furry community? As for that topic, I suppose I could tackle it, 'though I know it wouldn't be easy. Here I was lucky, that my simple comment (or the more complex reply) received attention of such civilized people.
Save for her ...
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The only motivation is fun and self enjoyment. Yes, the situation is romantic, but it HAS to be romantic, otherwise there wouldn't be a romantic message in the piece. The reason why people also draw themselves as animals is often because they don't feel skilled enough to draw people and feel like they wouldn't do a good job, but most of times it's just for fun, for the sake of knowing how it'd look like and living in a fantasy where you wonder what would it be like to be an animal, because being a human can be boring (I say all of this by thought and artistic experience).
Maybe there are personal reasons in the matter, which we would never know unless we asked and talked about it, and not everyone wants to do that, it's all subjective, also because why not? Artists tend to draw mostly because of the "why not?" reason, they don't have or need an explanation for what they do, that's why I'm telling you, trying to understand is kinda useless in the end because there are just too many reasons and lack of reasons.
On the Furry community part.... there's just a bunch of toxic people in it, not everyone is bad but a bunch of people have fetishes in the community, some of them include anthro animals or normal animals in sexual, human situations and other things they illustrate in a disgusting way, why they do it, well, look up the definition of fetish because not even I understand that.
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Hold on, don't you skip that question. I stated one thing what sexual orientation determines. By that definition, these characters are sexuals. But since they're animals, the only thing making their romance anyway relatable or relevant to us human are their human-like features.
Conclusion: Unless animals themselves were romantically relateable, their added human-like features becomes an essential part of this artistically expressed message.
The motivation - purpose of this artwork - here is to make animal appeal emotionally relatable to us humans, and express romantic affection through that. My question precisely is why does she HAS to combine the two? It never occurs in the real world, so this message is - essentially - an abstract expression of real feelings.
Now, which one do you think I can relate the most: this , this or this ? Which ever style we may find the most appealing, nobody can deny, that the first picture is the most relateable to the real world we're living in. However much this actually matters is another topic, and I've given my statement about it.
Do you see it now? I don't need to ask about every underlying, conscious motivations the artist may have had: the ones mattering the most are plain for all to see! The only thing left for me to do is to bring this all up, and have her to compare it to her conscious intentions. If the two won't match, it'd prove she herself wasn't aware of what actually drove her to draw this. That - if anything - would be an eye-opener.
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Well you're pretty much right, unfortunately not only people in general but also artists in general don't dive too deep into these ideas nowadays, so it can be confusing/rude by accident or maybe not interesting enough.
I get what you mean. Well I'm sure it's important to you but it sounds like too much trouble figuring out, maybe I'm just too lazy for that.
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I can think of one reason how I'd have such an insight to human mind. I'd like to think such an ability to be similar to mathematics: for some it comes more naturally than to others, but there's little hard work and practise cannot make up for.
And just like mathematics, not everybody needs to know how to do it: just understand once explained. And if they don't, 'least remain respectful about it. While I can understand how someone would get offended from this, I don't think I've actually said anything rude.
And even if I was...well, I wouldn't personally get upset of a rude comment, for there's little to no reason for me to care what a perfect strangers says to me online. And neither have this artist. Unless the comment itself had a message of value, but that's another topic.
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I see. I can relate, at least in other topics; I stopped putting this to practise a long while ago because I got frustrated by the general response I'd get from people.
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It means something to us, it doesn't have to mean anything to you.
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We can live with different likes and interests, but conflicting values can endanger peaceful coexistence. But just like anyone can make a big deal out of anything, so can it be ignored by whoever wishes to do so.
We ought to determine which conversations are worthy of our time. That should not be determine by what is being said - but rather - how it is said. I've done my best to be polite and respectful, and have only pissed off Marble-Tea so far.
Now, since the two of you can be considered as the designates of this artistically expressed message, I'd love to hear your takes on the topic as well. If you're ever so willing to share those, that is.
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I appreciate you being polite, but your comment seemed unnecessary. This picture means a lot to the artist and myself and it seemed insensitive of you to say that it 'didn't work'. You can have your opinions if you wish, just don't voice them here.
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I was speaking from the objective perspective, as this artwork used counter-productive methods to express the message in question. The fact you're willing to overlook such flaws do not undermine their existence, and vice versa.
Granted, only afterwards did I explain the reasoning behind my comment. But since it turned out to be reasonable at the end, who's to say my comment wasn't reasonable from the begin with?
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These methods are only counter-productive from your standpoint. From us and many others, this expresses the message as desired. There's nothing else to discuss, I suggest if you want to get deep into matters like these when this was simply drawn to express one's emotions toward someone else, you should go elsewhere.
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I'm sorry, Finchwing, I'm afraid you can't say that. You may question the significance of my conclusion, but without an actual argument, you cannot dismiss the line of reasoning, that brought me there.
Nowhere in the real world can you give animals human-like features to make those emotionally relatable to us, actual humans. Without an external context, the love of two, real human beings would never come across from this. Isn't that missing the point? And can you blame anyone for missing that?
No, you most certainly cannot.
An external reference is a tool you need to learn how to use. A reference says always something about its source; even to those, who didn't know the source beforehand. This artwork requires the viewer to know who these characters are representing, and leaves everyone else clueless. To make one last thing sure: I'm not concerned over the fact there`ll be people who will not get this; that much is inevitable.
I'm concerned if there's anything to be understood at all.
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it represents the love of two people, one of them being myself and I for one think that it shows affection clearly. I don't care if it doesn't for you. This is the last thing I'm saying, have a good day.
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Seconding this^
I drew this because it's special to us in several different ways; I'm not looking for the approval of a bystander.
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I can understand that and respect it, but I don't see it as a reason not to have a discussion about the opposing views. There are already few, who have chosen to challenge my views, and I appreciate each and every one of them.
Now, as I just earlier told to Finchwing, I'd love to hear your takes on the topic, too, if you liked to share it. If not, that's perfectly fine, too. I've gotten to freely express myself, of which I'm glad about, and nobody here owns me anything, anyway.
So whether you join the conversation or not, I wish you a good day and maybe, who knows, will hear of you again.
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Trust me it does, you just gotta be a little bit more open
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To bestiality? No thanks, I'm good.
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No eihän tässä nyt ole mistään bestialitystä kyse : D
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Noh, niin, eiväthän kaikki intiimit asiat ole väistämättä seksuaalisia. Mutta eikö romanttisten tunteiden fyysinen ilmaisu ole seksuaalista? Ainakin se luo seksuaalisen jännityksen. Minulle on täysin luontevaa puhua, kuin nämä kaksi asiaa kävisivät käsi kädessä; onhan sentään pinnallista harrastaa seksiä ilman romanttisia tunteita. Ja romanttiset tunteet puolestaan kasvattavat halua fyysiseen läheisyyteen.
Siksi kysynkin itseltäni; miksi romanttista jännitystä pitäisi kuvailla olennoilla, joita kohtaan minulla ei ole pienintäkään seksuaalista mielenkiintoa? Ainoaksi syyksi näkisin sen, jos näillä olennoilla olisi ihmismäisä piirteitä; niin fyysisiä kuin myös henkisiä. Siten voisin paremmin samaistua niihin, ja samaistumisen kautta tuntea samoin, kuin mitä tunnen ihmishahmojen suhteen.
Mutta seuraavaksi kysynkin itseltäni: miksi muuten seksikkäällä, isorintaisella typykällä pitää olla kuono ja koko kropan kattava karvoitus? En ole tähänkään päivään asti löytänyt järjellistä vastausta.
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Itselleni romanttiset ja seksuaaliset asiat ovat erillisiä enkä yhdistä niitä toisiinsa. Johtunee mahdollisesti siitä että koen jälkimmäistä näistä haluista huomattavasti vähemmän kuin keskiverto tallaaja. Joten jätän sinut yksin tuon kysymyksen kanssa. Samaistuahan taas voi mihin tahansa jos vain mielikuvitus riittää ja omasta mielestäni eläimet voivat ilmaista humaaneja tunteita siinä missä ihmisetkin!
Ja että miksikö ihmismäiselle hahmolle kuono ja häntä? Pitääkö siihen löytyä välttämättä syytä? It's art afterall! Itse ainakin teen niin vain koska se on mielenkiintoista ja erilaista. Voithan toki mennä vaikka Disneyltä kysymään jospa sieltä osattaisiin tarjota parempi vastaus.
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Ovathan ne käsitteinä erillaiset, mutta parhaimmillaan toimivat yhdessä. Ehkä juuri vähäisissä määrin on vaikeampaa nähdä niiden yhteyttä. Mutta onhan se eri asia, jos joku mies laskee kätensä olkapäälleni kaverimielessä, kuin että hän olisi minusta seksuaalisesti kiinostunut.
Luovuus on toki ihailtavaa, mutta meidän on muistettava sen olevan pelkkä työkalu. Jos luovina pitämäsi taideteokset tosiaan ovat hyväksi meille ihmisille, on siihen oltava jokin erillinen syy. Vaikkakin sitten hauskuuden kokeminen juuri tietyssä muodossa, mutta tuonkin asian merkitys on täysin oma aiheensa.
Minusta on sääli, että niin monet taiteilijat eivät uskalla ottaa haasteekseen luoda luovia asioita todellisen maailman rajoitteilla. Silloin heidän töilläänsä olisi paljon selkeämpi ja merkittävämpi yhteys meihin ihmisiin, ja elämään yleisesti. Kukapa ei sitä tahtoisi? Juuri kyseisen halun pohjalta myös fiktiivisistä töistä yritetään tehdä mahdollisimman uskottavia.
Minä ymmärrän kyllä abstraktin taiteen rajattomat mahdollisuudet, sekä mielenkiinnon sen tutkimiseen, mutta tämä yksinkertaisesti vähentää meidän intoa ja halua luoda juuri kuvailemiani teoksia. Olen itse tullut kasvotusten tämän todellisuuden kanssa, ja tehnyt valintani. Oletko sinä?
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There's nothing sexy about animals themselves. To us humans, spooning may be a good expression of romantic affection, but animals simply lack the emotional complexity to experience it the same way. So a scene of two animals spooning lacks any sexual appeal or romantic tension.
That is, unless you artificially give your characters human- like features and a sentient mind, but that is conceptually unnatural. And why should I - or anyone else for that matter - desire to see those human-like features in the last creatures we should ever see in a sexual - or even romantic - way?
And lastly, while it is still not directly comparable to bestiality, if you really wanted to separate yourself from the said orientation, what is the point of all this? 'Though you may hate my comment, you cannot blame a man for asking.
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Its just Fursonas or personas or whatever, its not meant to be sexy some people are just more comfy with drawing animals so they have human versions of themselves so they and others can draw them and stuff like that it may seem a bit weird to u though
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Yes, one would have to read really deep into it before finding any sings of a sexual intent. Besides a reason expressed on my other reply, I wished to cover the possibility just in case. Now, I can understand if some people like to draw animals. What I do not approve is giving them human-like features; especially eyes, that are the mirror of the soul. The rich expressions of human eyes makes the (emotional) connection between the viewer and the character more human-like, especially if when the said character has a sentient mind.
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Why should it be sexy? Why do people always see relationships as sex only? This is cute. And animals can be cute. Besides, those are sentient animals. Did you ever watch cartoons in your life? Like Disney or something. With talking animals and magic and stuff. This is fiction. It isn't supposed to be natural. But representing reality though fiction works in every cartoon. Because it's always based on something existing in reality.
Also, uh, ask yourself same questions you asked Marble-Tea (who was terribly impolite if I may admit), because this fav.me/d5x8rot Sentient mind on a colorful horse? Check. Romantic relationship between sentient (magical) animals? Check. Was this relationship based on real people? It was. So I don't quite understand why pony relationship could work and the characters in MapleSpyder's work couldn't.
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To me, physical expression of romantic affection is - by definition - sexual. I believe the two concepts goes hand-by-hand, even when the other is hardly present. My words may have mislead you, but I'd find this as cute as you do. If it wasn't for my concern in the issue, that is.
The hint was subtle, but I was - indeed - aware of these characters being sentient. Now, we can all agree it is good for artworks to describe life at it is. Most people just don't think that should be the sole purpose of art. But I believe, that any material irrelevant to the reality can distract us from the said reality. That is not a healthy practise.
Kudos for bringing that up! I've already dropped the series, for it so opposed my values. I just never bothered to clean my gallery from ponies. Just check the frequency of my uploads, and you'll see just how lazy I am. Even so, I won't count out the possibility, that I'd still be somewhat hypocritical. But to the extent of rendering my words here worthless? I really don't think so.
If I'm hypocritical, I'm so for consuming fictional media. Mostly game related, for I already dropped the few shows I've actively watched. But to me, what we're currently doing is less important, than the direction we're heading towards to.
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Nah, I didn't said you were hypocritical. I just wondered what your motives were.
"But I believe, that any material irrelevant to the reality can distract us from the said reality. That is not a healthy practise."
I won't try to change your belief, to each their own. But let's see if your belief was more common. People wouldn't play video games, they wouldn't watch movies, cartoons, anime. Because none of this is reality. And every fictional material is actually always relevant to reality. Because without knowledge from real world you can't create a fictional world. Characters from fiction always use real languages or made up languages based on real ones. Fictional worlds always have physics that's identical or based on real physics. The plot is always based on real human relationships. Why, would you ask? Because humans don't have any experience except their own. They can't create a new color or a new sense organ. Every new characters or worlds in fiction is a mix of real ones.
I can understand what you're saying tho. Escapism can be dangerous. But I, as an escapist, can say that it can be helpful too. Distracting from reality can help an individual to stay mentally healthy. If everything they ever think about is real world problems they would be a nuthouse patient, haha! Everyone needs TV, video games, books or something else to take their mind off things. I'd say everything is dangerous if not used right. Like meds in large quantities. Every good thing can become bad in wrong hands. Like religion. It was morality standard. But then people killed each other for it. Or feminism. It gave women rights. But now it's used to oppress men. Sometimes good things go too far and turn into bad things. Escapism is one of them. It can be healthy if one understands what they're doing and doesn't drop from reality. And if they don't... We get fat neckbeards who look into their monitors 24/7, living in their mom's basement, without any sense of real world. Or people marrying pillows with anime characters.
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You didn't? But wasn't that...ah, nevermind. Moving on.
Yes, not consuming the said format would be the result of following such a worldview. And while it's true every fiction borrows from the real world, the way it all comes together simply doesn't match the way this, real world of ours works. That is what I meant.
However well a fantasy story may represents human interaction, it'd still be hindered by fictional elements. For example: if a gentleman were to save a damsel in distress, which type of men could relate with him? The strong ones capable of similar feats, or clever ones, who do not need to rely on brute force? Equally valid interpretations are conflicting with one another.
You may have formed a habit of escaping issues you could solve if you put your mind into it; escapism is lowering your motivation. It is also important to rely on other people. After all, it is the real human interaction, that'd may leave you actually fulfilled. I sure as eggs have become passive and hardly ever discuss about my problems offline.
"Everything in moderation" yes, but if it gets difficult to find the golden middle road, it might be better to play safe, and stick in the healthy way instead. To the point of ignoring even those opportunities you'd afford to have. After all, it is an learned behavior we're talking about here.
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Holy cow, a year? Man congrats! You guys are just so adorable <3
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Aww this is really great for both of you, the bond you have is really wonderful. ^^ I wish you to spend more and more time together. :3
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Happy anniversary! You guys are really adorable
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This is really cute , happy anniversary !
I love the style . <3
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Cute aww that's really great art I really like ur style
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