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Master-Gecko-117 — Decimal Arms Scorpio

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Published: 2019-06-19 21:12:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 16858; Favourites: 399; Downloads: 152
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Description The Scorpio weapon system is a bullpup configuration long-range battle rifle that fires armor piercing discarding sabot projectiles primarily designed for zero g exoatmospheric engagements. The weapon utilizes an internal recoil reduction system to increase the hit probability during fully automatic fire and it is also equipped with an electro optical system with datalink capability that can directly link the ballistic solutions to the tactical visor of the operator.

Artist Comment: I started this design with two goals in mind:

1. ⁠To create an unique looking futuristic weapon system that also feels very realistic with all the bells and whistles on a modern military firearm like charging handle, bolt release, fire selector switch and two different types of magazine release mechanisms (important controls that aren’t normally included in fictional firearm concept arts)
2. ⁠To showcase that a weapon design can be sci-fi and futuristic but still functional (hence why I showed the weapon’s cross section)
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Comments: 26

sevenofeleven [2019-06-20 17:05:39 +0000 UTC]

Can I shoot gun wielding pigeons with it?


Kudos.

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to sevenofeleven [2019-06-21 07:03:05 +0000 UTC]

Wait gun wielding pigeon is a thing? 😂

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Spottedhyenabr [2019-06-20 16:19:29 +0000 UTC]

Awesome

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peterrook [2019-06-20 15:46:09 +0000 UTC]

Two questions:
1.  The Mag release, are two buttons.  Do both need to be depressed/manipulated?
2.  The piston system?  Is that to compensate rear energy to keep the shooter in one spot during zero g operations?

I like your design.

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to peterrook [2019-06-21 07:04:57 +0000 UTC]

The blue one is used to eject the mag because it’ll not fall down by itself without the aid of gravity. The rifle is gas operated so that’s why the piston is there.

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peterrook In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-21 17:39:39 +0000 UTC]

Ok!

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Dekart228 [2019-06-20 08:24:17 +0000 UTC]

Nice rifle with thought-out design

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phallic-acid [2019-06-20 06:32:16 +0000 UTC]

alright, faiyst uff all, there is nothing special about a charging handle. Every firearm with a reciprocating bolt has its own variant, as every one of them is required to have some human interface to open the action, probably with like one exception. The bolt release is also not exclusively used by militaries. Look at the Avtomat Kalashnikova Model of 1947 or the SKS for instance. Both were or are used by the former Soviet or current Russian Federation and do not sport bolt releases. Fire selector is also a given if under the context of a firearm meant to change its its action from semi-auto to fully-automatic and vice versa. The two magazine releases are an interesting take, and I myself do find it rather peculiar, however, there is a technical error in the way the magazine seats. You did not put the locking tabs down far enough for either magazine catch to actually hold the magazine in place. Unless the catch is supposed to engage with the magazine off-screen, the cross section should indicate as such. The receiver and barrel being made together is quite odd, and that little hook on the bottom right looks like it'd be a nightmare to manufacture. Also, the chamber is REALLY REALLY long, and you did not make the cartridge take up the full space of it, which, unrelated to this discussion, appears to be a caseless cartridge. It's also weird how you made the end of the barrel really thick. While that is the case for the M16A2-5, it has an odd historical reason for it. In reality, it should ALWAYS be the reverse; Thicker in the rear, and thinner at the end. I don't have much of an opinion on the long-stroke gas system that you've employed, but it is interesting geometry nonetheless. My other one complaint is rather trivial, but I'd also like to see how the lockup mechanism works with the bolt and how the cam system works with the carrier. The recoil-damper is also not really designed as a recoil damper, but rather to keep the entire action tension, and when the bolt is brought back, to move it back forwards. The spring can reduce recoil my an amount, but the amount it reduces is often not good enough to be regarded as a feature. And finally, I have a smll issue with your fire selector. There's no reason for it to be as big as it is. It doesn't seem very ergonomic nor easy to actuate, not to mention its size and shape looks like it could easily be bumped into something and and move.

All that being said, interesting work you got here. I do really like how you attempted to make a design that not only looks good but also has a logical explanation for looking the way it does, and I hope you git gud

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to phallic-acid [2019-06-20 06:55:57 +0000 UTC]

I don't like to repeat myself but I'll do it since you basically wrote a novel to analyze my design . I'm just an artist who also happens to like firearms,  I'm not a gunsmith or mechanical engineer so I can't get everything right.

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phallic-acid In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-20 07:20:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm not a gunsmith or mechanical engineer either. However, some basic facts and/or design choices for your weapon don't entirely make sense. The magazine can easily be fixed if the hole for the button release to catch was simply lowered, along with the metal protrusion to the left of it. It's also not correct to associate the features this firearm has as popular for military except, potentially, for the selector switch (the bolt release isn't even used by russia, specifically for the AKM and variants after that, at least to my knowledge). I do appreciate and enjoy your functional design, I just think it would be more interesting for your weapons if more accurate knowledge could be employed for your cutaways.

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to phallic-acid [2019-06-20 08:09:54 +0000 UTC]

First the selector switch is designed this way because it’s a weapon system designed for astronauts, I don’t think it’ll be very easy to manipulate an ordinary fire selector switch with thick spacesuit gloves on. Second why do you keep bringing up the fact that some Russian firearms don’t have a bolt release? Just because they don’t utilize the feature doesn’t mean my design is wrong for using it, the AK was designed in 1947 and it’s definitely not a modern weapon system so comparing it to a futuristic design just doesn’t make any sense (to me at least). 

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phallic-acid In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-20 08:42:46 +0000 UTC]

Well, you're basically disregarding Russia out of all countries in the world to discount as reputable users of firearms. Regardless of the age of the AKM, I will admit the russians DID modify it for the AK-12 to support a bolt release. The point is that if they deemed it as such a necessary feature to have, they would not have waited this long to do it. I never implied it was wrong to use it in your design, my point was that I argued there isn't anything special enough about it to warrant its own description as a must-have military feature. Anyways, the design of the selector switch now makes sense.

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to phallic-acid [2019-06-20 09:23:20 +0000 UTC]

I’d argue that if it really is as unnecessary as you think as a military standard the Russians won’t even bother to add it to their new AK-12 platform, most new generation standard issue service rifles in the world other than the Chinese QBZ-95 (which will be replaced by a new weapon system that’s likely to have a bolt release) that I know of all have that feature so I think we don’t need to argue about if it is a standard military feature or not. 

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GR-935 In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-20 09:38:31 +0000 UTC]

Bet he'll have a field day looking at my drawings of fictional guns... It's already really good that you even did your best to add a cross section view to prove that it's as functional as possible in real life why is he doing all this? The whole point of us creating all our works here is because we enjoy doing so, not to make sure everyone follows our standards of realism or anything

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to GR-935 [2019-06-20 09:50:17 +0000 UTC]

I actually enjoyed the conversation  because I like to talk about firearm designs with ppl and see how they critique my works. It’s a good opportunity to learn something new. 

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phallic-acid In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-21 00:39:59 +0000 UTC]

the AK-12 DOES have a bolt release (to my knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong.). Not even the Chinese, one of the largest militaries in the world, has it on their standard issue rifle (according to you, I have not personally looked this up). Regardless of whether or not it's a "standard" for militaries to adopt a bolt release to their standard issue rifles, the fact of the matter is that two of some of the biggest militaries in the world either did not, or just very recently adopted a bolt release. Somehow they don't matter because some other countries say they want bolt releases? And regardless of whether or not a new weapon system with a bolt release will replace the QBZ-95, the truth is that, that weapon isn't out yet. I will not change my stance until you can sufficiently convince me that a bolt release is a special enough device to warrant its own status as a required feature for standard issue military small-arm rifles.


You also did not argue or even comment about some of the very basic design flaws of your weapon that could very easily be fixed with minimal effort. The commenter down below mentioned how the carrier cannot even fully cycle rearwards. This can easily be fixed if you removed that top "platform" thing blocking the carrier from moving rearwards. You do not need a degree in mechanical engineering to see this mistake. You don't need to be a gunsmith either. You made the chamber extremely long without any explanation for doing so. You never addressed why the barrel is thicker at the end than the beginning. You never addressed, other than assuming that it's magic, why a spring's primary purpose in this design is to "reduce recoil". The parts that I found peculiar, such as the geometry of the piston, wasn't meant as snark. I was curious as to why parts like those are designed in that fashion. I'm trying to be constructive, but you're making it very difficult for you to address these observations.

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to phallic-acid [2019-06-21 03:46:30 +0000 UTC]

I tried to have a friendly conversation with you but I can also be a jerk if you keep bothering me with comments like this, my designs are under no obligation to make sense to you or anybody else, I do it for fun and for those who actually understand the difference between fiction and reality. Do you really think I care that much about one person's opinion on my work? I'll always put aesthetics before functionality because I'm making art not god damn design blueprints.

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phallic-acid In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-21 06:49:36 +0000 UTC]

You have refused to answer a single one of my points in my latest post. Using the "I don't care" excuse honestly sounds more like you refuse to acknowledge potential criticism for your work. If you feel you are not deserving of critique, then provide a solid justification for it. Inexperience or lack of knowledge is not an excuse to avoid criticism. If you want to make clear that your internal designs may not make any sense, then say so. Do not pander it as if it is anyone's fault for noticing what can be potentially obvious flaws that aren't just a matter of "not making sense", they ARE NOT EVEN INTERNALLY CONSISTENT with the SETTING (world, universe) YOU have created, which has nothing to do with "my reality", or my ability to distinguish "my" reality from your "idea" of fiction (hint: the definition does not include "internally inconsistent"). You stated it yourself that the purpose of this drawing is to "showcase that a weapon design can be sci-fi and futuristic but still functional", of which the "functional" aspect is the one to come into question, under the context of your world, your universe, your fiction. The reason I am critiquing you is not to put you down, it is because I had an interest in your work and would have enjoyed to see designs with more depth to them, and would like to share my knowledge on how you can improve yourself, or for you to correct me for any potential misunderstanding. Seeing as you are not capable, or even willing, and even seem to be avoiding, having a critical discussion about YOUR OWN WORK, you have proven to me that it has truthfully been a waste of time to attempt to reason with you. Your attitude WILL be responsible for others shun you, regardless of how much you may not "care what one person's opinion" is, even if it is absolutely valid criticism. With that, I bid you farewell, and hope for you the best. I will be ignoring this thread from here on out, and I will not engage in any future discussion on this subject, as you clearly do not welcome me here, nor do you welcome constructive feedback.

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GR-935 In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-20 10:11:25 +0000 UTC]

Ah I see. Sorry about that, guess I misunderstood

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YOKUART-Mashingon [2019-06-20 01:59:47 +0000 UTC]

la computadora balística cuanta RAM utiliza?

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RJDETONADOR97 [2019-06-19 23:11:33 +0000 UTC]

 Nice rifle, man! I don't know but I think I saw a weapon with similar design in a game. XD

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archonedd [2019-06-19 22:18:28 +0000 UTC]

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ACGearmaker [2019-06-19 21:55:26 +0000 UTC]

Nice.

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678091 [2019-06-19 21:17:22 +0000 UTC]

Bolt carrier is a bit too big for that Recoil Buffer

if anything, it'll cause jams and wear out way faster

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Master-Gecko-117 In reply to 678091 [2019-06-19 21:30:43 +0000 UTC]

I'm an artist, not a mechanical engineer lol

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678091 In reply to Master-Gecko-117 [2019-06-22 01:58:18 +0000 UTC]

Ok then, sorry to bother

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