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Published: 2017-11-11 22:28:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 1391; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 0
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Don't you just hate that the scoring system in most modern Sonic games feels almost pointless? You can get the highest score possible, get every ring and defeat every enemy, but you were five seconds below the average.D RANK
I'd say this is an issue that plagues a number of titles. Sonic Colours wasn't too bad about it, but then you have stuff like Sonic Generations and Lost World. The worst offender has to be, ironically, a fangame; Sonic World. I tried so hard to like this game, but the core experience is just so poorly designed. It lacks some of the quality-of-life features that other modern games have, the mods have a chance of crashing the game, the game takes forever to load, the physics are just wonky in certain areas and the grading system is...basically the reason I even did this. As a control I did something similar to what is above. I went through the same level, once as normal Sonic and once as Boom Sonic (you have to mod Boom Sonic into the game, and he looks hideous amongst the nice crisp models of the other characters).
For Normal Sonic, I followed the level as I normally would; I got every ring and tried to not lose them, I attacked every enemy I could in chains, found as many item boxes and secrets as I could and got a high score for it. D Rank. For Boom Sonic I just blitzed through the level with no regard for rings or enemies, so my score was piddling but I got to the end in half the time. A Rank, because this game is stupidly stingy with giving out S-Ranks even when you're sequence breaking.
I understand that, on the surface, this can look a little petty. Like I know that it looks like I'm whining about not being able to get a high score in a video game. But the issue at hand is bigger than just a letter at the end of the level - its more that the whole speed aspect is glorified too much.
Wait, let me explain. I understand that Sonic is supposed to be speedy. It's what the franchise was built on, and every attempt to go slower has just not succeded (Heroes, Werehog, Rise of Lyric and so on). But there is a limit to how fast you can get before things just start to go wrong. Take, for example, the Genesis and Dreamcast games; Sonic 1 to 3&K (and also Mania), Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Now in those games, you can go fast, but compared to modern Sonic titles it feels a touch slower in comparison, yes? But the level design (mostly) set up the speed so that it was a reward, not the constant. You got loop-de-loops and corkscrews and the like, but inbetween you have genuine moments of platforming perfection, so you still had a challenge. A zone that does this both right and wrong is Chemical Plant from Sonic 2 and Generations and Mania and Forces and probably the next Sonic game to come along, too. Everyone remembers running down all those half-pipes in the zone, and it felt amazing...but then you had to go platforming in areas with the Mega Mack and then you just got crushed by the endless moving blocks everywhere.
As for the Boost Gameplay games (Colours, Generations, Forces), speed is all that there is. "Gotta Go Fast" is the resident meme, speed pads are everywhere, Boost is omnipresent...and Sonic's controls suffer for it. While he may have been slower in the previous games, he was for the most part more controllable for it, the exceptions being Sonic 06, Secret Rings and the Werehog stages from Unleashed. Whereas the Adventure games had the issue of control being fine when going slow, but then suffering when you had to speed up, Boost!Sonic is only easily controllable at top speed and anything below that makes him a chore to control. A good example of this is Sonic Unleashed's day stages. Don't get me wrong, I love that game with all my heart, but Sonic handles like a stick of butter being pushed across a greased frying pan; slips and slides with the tiniest movements and just cannot stop in any effective manner. This is fine in most of the stages where you must make fast movements and everything is straighter. But when you have to slow down and do some more precise platforming? Hoo boy.
Of course I don't blame them for doing that. When the Boost games work as intended, they work fantastically. But when they require you to slow down, it's like your comitting a sin against nature and Sonic will refuse to cooperate. And then he falls down a pit and dies. Now of course, Sonic Generations improved this massively, but I replayed the game while at the Super Western Sonic 2017 convention and I thought the controls were a lot heavier than I remember when I owned the game. Sonic Lost World, for all its issues, was going in the right direction with this; you started slow, could move faster as the push of a button and platforming was more important than sheer speed. But Lost World's questionable level and general game design meant it came off as janky and hard to wrap your head around. Alongside, you know, that pathetic excuse for a parkour system.
This adherance to speed has gone so far that people throw a fit when you have to slow down; you "gotta go fast". But the adherance to it is so great that speed is first and flow is second. Part of me wonders if that's why Sonic Forces' general level design is so linear, alongside the more setpeice-driven style of the gameplay; it's hard to make a good level when the character you're playing as just isn't that precise and will just burn rubber throughout the whole game anyway. Hence why the Avatar stuff is the best kind of stuff in the game, as their slower speed allows for more precise platforming integrated into the combat.
"But Perry, what about Classic Sonic in Forces?" You ask. Oh ho ho...oh i'll get to that pandering little shit some other day
But I'm getting off topic here. What I'm saying is that speed is perhaps a little too focused on in these games. You can still have a fast game without needing to go fast all the time. Take Doom 2016. Yes you move fast in that game too, but the speed comes more from the flow of combat more than just moving around. You're constantly dodging and weaving to rip and tear the demons like the Doom games of old, with moments of respite and exploration scattered in to break up the shooting and calm yourself for the next bout. And that loops back to what I was yammering on about above with the time bonuses and score grades; the only thing that matters is how fast you can move through the stages, nothing else. It is a glorified speedrunner game, and while there's nothing wrong with that, I can't be the only one to think that general quality is beginning to suffer because of that...right?
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Speaking of comparisons to Boost and Adventure gameplay, check this video by Em-Bani. It's obscenely in-depth about how Boost and Adventure gameplay works, and it's certainly worth the watch; www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5ToF…
See, the irony is that this took me so long that Sonic Forces came out and actually doesn't do this; the score and rings matter just as much as the time does, as does the amount of times you continued, as the game lacks a lives system. For all of Forces' problems, I must admit that Sonic Team are heading in the right direction once more. Izuka still needs to resign, though.
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Comments: 20
ValiantPhoenix [2017-11-13 17:25:57 +0000 UTC]
It's pretty tragic that the game that was doing a great job of combining all of this into a coherent experience wasn't properly finished. Seriously, '06 had those mach speed sections that would have been a great fit for Boost gameplay without sacrificing the platforming that the Adventure games had refined at that point. It even had a decent scoring system too, though I personally prefer how Generations does it.
When you think about it, "Gotta Go Fast" really is all there is to Sonic these days. It's not just the Boost gameplay, it's the focus of style over substance. A lot of the stories are flashy blockbuster affairs that you're supposed to enjoy in the moment, things that sound cool when they're told and make people think of wonderful promises. Then they're actually shown and not only was it not as good as the impossible pipe dreams, it wasn't THAT good at all. By then the games have sold the copies and Sonic Team can get to work on the next one.
This reminds me a lot of other popcorn experiences like Call of Duty or the Fast & Furious movies. They're not "good" in whatever people may have expected them to be, but I think they ARE exciting in the moment, something you can live in the present and that's it. There's no timeless or lasting charm to be had and they're not even bothering with it, they just want to make the next big exciting thing. They're well aware of their dependence on flashy style, that's why they need to keep making new things. People will never be impressed again by the same thing, or so it seems.
Over the years I've come to expect this much from Sonic games too as they focused more on things like story, graphics and of course, the sense of speed. The 2D games were great platformers with a sense of exploration and Mania proves that there is still room for such experiences, but clearly the 3D games are about something else. I feel like the insistence of 2D sections in the 3D games are a symptom of people holding the 3D titles to such impossible standards yet the 2D titles get a free pass, thus the impression that Sonic can't live without 2D gameplay. It's not what the developers might want in a Sonic title but they drag it along because people like 2D, when it'd really be for the best if they'd just throw that out and focused purely on the speed they find so exciting. The Storybook games are evidence that it can work.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to ValiantPhoenix [2017-11-13 17:35:16 +0000 UTC]
It sucks because they ARE getting better, it's just that they're not getting better fast enough. Every game that's just okay is another excuse for SEGA to drop the modern games and just pander to the Genesis fans.
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ValiantPhoenix In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-13 17:59:42 +0000 UTC]
Considering that they're pretty grateful as is and Sega is playing it safe with the series, that actually makes sense. They probably should drop the modern games and go polish Lost World or just make movies instead, for how insipid the gameplay experience can be.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to ValiantPhoenix [2017-11-13 18:13:09 +0000 UTC]
To go into movies they'd have to have good storytelling.
...Have you seen Lost World's "plot"?
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ValiantPhoenix In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-13 18:37:39 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's far from what Adventure 2 had and couldn't decide if it wanted to be serious or not. Besides, not having good storytelling hasn't stopped Sega from shoving that into the games anyway. Their winning formula is assuming the parts aren't good enough on their own and just cramming things until it looks good enough, then shipping it and letting the fans fight over it. That's how the series stays relevant these days.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to ValiantPhoenix [2017-11-13 20:38:24 +0000 UTC]
Why don't they just remake SA and SA2 in an N-Sane way? How hard could it be?
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ValiantPhoenix In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-13 22:21:25 +0000 UTC]
They would have to render every single stage in the current quality level (which is much higher than what SA and SA2 had), including the hubs. They'd also need to voice every line all over again with the new cast (which will incite inevitable comparisons with the old voices) and adjust the controls and physics of at least 4 different playstyles (including Big and his fishing, of course). All of this while carrying the risk of the new writers and staff at Sonic Team misinterpreting and retconning the games into something else, because Sega just isn't the kind of company to leave well enough alone.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to ValiantPhoenix [2017-11-13 23:58:22 +0000 UTC]
Indeed. This needs a team.
A team...of superfans.
...Again.
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ValiantPhoenix In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-14 04:58:43 +0000 UTC]
To do what, exactly? From the sound of things, the fans just don't agree with Sega on what makes a 3D Sonic game "good" since everybody wants something else. The superfans that made Mania possible likely got lucky on the fact that Sega loves 2D Sonic and from the look of things, that's not going to change. It's the one thing that most people agree on: Sonic was better in 2D.
Suppose a team does assemble to make a real 3D Sonic game, though, I'd hope for a "Breath of the Wild"-style full overhaul of the core aspects of the Sonic experience rather than just making an Adventure 3. I mean, wasn't it Sega's idea to force stories into every 3D Sonic game? They can't possibly settle for something that's just "Sonic vs Eggman" and leave well enough alone, but I'm sure the fans can. I'd hope it's its own thing too, however, and isn't just Sonic 3D & Knuckles.
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jakeroo123 [2017-11-12 22:34:24 +0000 UTC]
Oh boy... Yeah, the scoring system can get weird. Sonic Unleashed on the Wii has a really weird one... The Werehog has a sensible system based on level-up orbs, rings, and completion time. Regular Sonic is speed and speed alone, since this game doesn't keep a score tally at all.
... Yeah, that's one of my problems with the boost games. Sonic isn't very good at being a platforming character in 3D. Momentum-based movement in 3D is tough to do, and they... Kinda did it worse than before. I especially noticed this in Colors. I don't know if it was worse in Colors, but Colors was the first of the Boost-style games I played through.
Sonic works fine in 2D, but that's connected to a whole other issue.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to jakeroo123 [2017-11-12 23:12:35 +0000 UTC]
It's funny, I hear people complaning about the 2D sections of Sonic's modern gameplay in Generations...you know, the sort of gameplay that made Rush really good and is what they beg to return to. Hmm...
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jakeroo123 In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-12 23:49:14 +0000 UTC]
I think it's more the fact that they exist in the game that people have a problem with. Since Classic Sonic is also in the game, it's a bit pointless.
Sonic's controls are fine in 2D, though.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to jakeroo123 [2017-11-13 00:18:57 +0000 UTC]
I suppose. I never had an issue with them, unless they connected jarringly or poorly, which they don't tend to do.
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jakeroo123 In reply to MasterPerryMartin [2017-11-13 01:07:30 +0000 UTC]
I never really had an issue with them, either. But I understand that sometimes there's a bit too many of them. Colors is more of a 2D platformer with 3D sections than the other way around... I do like Colors anyway.
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to jakeroo123 [2017-11-13 11:03:02 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps that's what they were going for...
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SXC-150 [2017-11-11 22:30:41 +0000 UTC]
Welp...Sonic Doesn't care about Gold Rings...
But $EGA Does...
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MasterPerryMartin In reply to SXC-150 [2017-11-11 22:39:49 +0000 UTC]
I was amused by what you said. Though sadly it is quite true.
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