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Published: 2014-11-24 19:01:13 +0000 UTC; Views: 5346; Favourites: 45; Downloads: 23
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*Knock knock*"Who's there?"
"THE LEFT!"
Basically, us Communists, Socialists, left wing Anarchists, and the like can argue all we want, but Capitalism, Corporatism, and Fascism are going nowhere while we do. We can argue after we get rid of the right. My opinion at least. Also, A4 paper sized if you want to print it off for any reason.
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>Thinks that Hitler killed 6 million
>Thinks Stalin didn't kill that many and thinks he's a relatively good guy.
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Sorry, is this the 6 million that were claimed to have been killed beforte WW2 or the one during WW2?
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As I specified, under the Nazi regime, so from the mid thirties until 1945.
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Left is to far left and the right is to far right.
Both sides give nothing but war and dictators, but the middle has provided wealth for the common man.
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The middle as in the current system? Clearly you haven't seen the situation for the poor, and those outside the West.
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Actually the current system is considerably further to the right then Europe in general and more right then America was in it's time of intense radicalism toward the right.Β
At the same time both political parties are backed by big money and are trying to deregulate the system.Β
During the early 20th century there was a lot of big government and big industry, but everything was vastly more efficient.Β
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"During the early 20th century there was a lot of big government and big industry, but everything was vastly more efficient. "
You mean when almost all countries were under the thrall of Western powers? I granted that it was efficient, but with the expense of countless "lesser" people.Β
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No I mean when Ford turned out thousands of tanks, everyone regardless of race or gender was employed, and Western Europe was liberated before the Soviets did it first.
There was hundreds of safeguards to keep the economy from failing, our food and medicine was inspected before consumption, and we weren't buying everything from a large country with a human rights record as bad as North Korea.
Β Our military was big and we were very nationalist, very much right concepts. Yet there was a safety net and everything was regulated, very much leftist concepts. You could say we were moderate back then.
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Until whoever in charge of your nation decided to drop millions of tonnes of bombs and chemical into my nation.
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Every single Empire before America attempted to enslave at least one entire landmass.
The Soviets tried to keep half of Europe and half of Asia down.
The Germany wanted to keep all of Europe down. Β
Britain and France tried to enslave Africa.
Spain killed off most of the people in the New World, after enslaving them.
America gets into confusing wars where it's hard to tell who is a terrorists and who is a random person.Β
When the US pushed into Afgan, they pissed off 10% as many people as the Soviets did and killed 10% as many. We also didn't use flamethowers and helicopter everything to death. At the same time we didn't try to put tanks in every village.Β
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"America gets into confusing wars where it's hard to tell who is a terrorists and who is a random person. "
An unnecessary war, waged against a former ally, to protect a "government" that used tanks in election.
"When the US pushed into Afgan, they pissed off 10% as many people as the Soviets did and killed 10% as many. We also didn't use flamethowers and helicopter everything to death. At the same time we didn't try to put tanks in every village."
And two years later....
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Ten years later we dragged home vastly less losses, less dead soldiers then we have had in any war we have waged in a long long time.
Afgan is called the "Graveyard of Empires", we are still alive and not one empire has pulled off such a thing.
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"Ten years later we dragged home vastly less losses, less dead soldiers then we have had in any war we have waged in a long long time."
Not counting the suicidal ones and left behind a mess equal to any other war, only to comes again two years later.....Β
"Afgan is called the "Graveyard of Empires", we are still alive and not one empire has pulled off such a thing."
Well, at least something we're agreed with. The US being an empire part.
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Soldiers can get PTSD from the very idea of being deployed anywhere at all, some people get it during boot-camp.Β
Also it's not our fault that the Iraqi Army is poorly motivated, they certainly weren't poorly armed. If Iraq had been a nation full of people who had actually nationalism, then it's soldiers would actually stand and fight. The Kurds are standing and fighting, sure they are split into two factions that don't like each other, but they are still holding their ground.
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"Also it's not our fault that the Iraqi Army is poorly motivated, they certainly weren't poorly armed. If Iraq had been a nation full of people who had actually nationalism, then it's soldiers would actually stand and fight."
So much for a decade of "nation-building". And hey, who'd thought that let an Shia imbecile ran the nation unopposed is a bad idea, eh?
"The Kurds are standing and fighting, sure they are split into two factions that don't like each other, but they are still holding their ground."
And well on their way to become a thorn in Ankara's arse in the future.
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The Kurds have been out allies in four seperate wars, over 30 years of hard fought friendship. They are mostly not very religious and there lands are filled with minorities that they mingle with.
The French's first republic was a disaster, along with the first British republic. It was a coin toss anyways that the Iraqis would elect someone who wasn't an asshole.
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"The Kurds have been out allies in four seperate wars, over 30 years of hard fought friendship. They are mostly not very religious and there lands are filled with minorities that they mingle with."
Until they declare an independent Kurdish state, with landmass taken from Turkey, Iraq and Syria.
"It was a coin toss anyways that the Iraqis would elect someone who wasn't an asshole."
Kudos for them, then.
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Which would be fine, since they were the police for their region in Iraq anyways. Syria is unstable and violent, so if the Kurds can hold that piece of land and keep people safe...they can have it. Same goes for Turkey, who is hyper religious and keeps buying oil from IS in broad daylight.Β
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I am speaking from a European (British specifically) perspective here, which is what I was referring too, but yes the current US System is considerably more right wing than most European nations. Both US parties are terrible. And during the early 20th Century there were few workers rights. Factories that have underpaid low skill workers, that are open most of the day tend to make more stuff.
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Then we had two "Socialist" presidents who protected the environment, made us into world powers, and ensured the rights of the common man.
The funny thing is that when the poor have more money to spend, the rich are actually better off.
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Socialist US Presidents? Which ones?
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The Velts of Roses.
Both of them almost had Fascist Coups run against them because they were so middleist.Β
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The Roosevelt's?
Theodore was a racist, anti equal rights, and under him theΒ sick, unemployed, poor, criminals, prostitutes, and the disabled wereΒ forciblyΒ sterilized in a move supported by himself. FDR doesn't seem too bad.
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The process of sterilization was medically impossible at that point.Β
Four men tried to kill him for "Being too Socialist".
Everyone was racist in the early 1900s, only 10% or less of the white population wasn't.
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It was a thing . Eugenics was a big thing in the US pre WW2, and was often accredited with inspiring that in Nazi Germany.
Him being Theodore Roosevelt?
Most of Germany was behind the persecution of the Jews, does that make it ok?
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If a King born a thousand years ago was sexist, would that make him evil if he didn't know that being such was wrong?
Everyone was racist to everyone else back then, but no one really sought out certain people to kill them entirely off. That's when it gets a little to far....
As for the Eugenics thing....That was a dark time in American history, considering that America is made up of all the crazy people kicked out of Europe.Β
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Yes it does, because it should be pretty obvious that it was wrong.
"I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian. Turn three hundred low families of New York into New Jersey, support them for fifty years in vicious idleness, and you will have some idea of what the Indians are. Reckless, revengeful, fiendishly cruel, they rob and murder, not the cowboys, who can take care of themselves, but the defenseless, lone settlers on the plains."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1886
Sounds like he want's to kill them all off to me.
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Is that directed at my comments or Roosevelt's?
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Wish would understand this basic fact.
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I'll be honest, I don't support Anarchism, but I'd rather work with Anarchists against the Right than work against Anarchists and get nowhere. After we are rid of the Right, we can decide the future of the Left.
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True. Though personally, I prefer to combine anarchism in direct democracy with socialism.
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