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*Knock knock*"Who's there?"
"THE LEFT!"
Basically, us Communists, Socialists, left wing Anarchists, and the like can argue all we want, but Capitalism, Corporatism, and Fascism are going nowhere while we do. We can argue after we get rid of the right. My opinion at least. Also, A4 paper sized if you want to print it off for any reason.
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" If I were to recommend something to yourself, it would be much less polite."
Yes
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Three words: The first is "Go" the third "Yourself", the middle starts with "K" and is four letters long. Can you guess what it is?
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A fact that you won't back up with proof apparently.
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Do your own research. learn2google comrade fedora
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No. The burden of proof is on YOU. You are the one who has to cite sources to back up your statement. If you don't, then your claims are unsubstantiated. Telling us to "research for ourselves" only gives off the impression that you don't have any sources (either that or your too lazy to provide any) and are relying on us to back up your arguments for you , which just show laziness on your part.
P.S: Comrade Fedora doesn't even work considering I'm not a M.R.A. or "Libertarian
learn2argue
Sir Mosley.
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ehhh lmao same could be said about the holocaust
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Pretty Ironic. You clearly haven't Googled them, because if you did you would know that nearly all of them were Atheist.
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No, Lenin was born to a Russian Orthodox Christian Family, Stalin a Georgian Orthodox Christian, Marx's farther converted to Protestantism but was largely non-religious, Engels family was evangelical, and Castro's family was Catholic.
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Lenin - content.time.com/time/world/ar…
Stalin was not Jewish, correct.
Marx - "Ancestrally Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi , while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.[22]
Engels - not Jewish
Castro - "Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz (born August 13 , 1926 ) is a communist , self-identifying as of Marrano Jewish descent,"
Trotsky ( Lev Davidovich Bronshtein) - "He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, "
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Lenin's parents themselves were not Jewish by religion. Anyway, Hitlers personal driver was about as Jewish as him.
Marx's father, as stated, converted to Protestantism but was mainly non-religious. I believe his mother was Jewish however.
Castro was not Jewish. He has identified as both Atheist and Christian at points. And Nazipedia doesn't count as a source. Find something non-retarded.
Yes, Trotsky was of Jewish descent.
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Well, we should hear both sides of politics, every side really, if we want to truly move forward. Given though, the right is mostly bigotry and greed. And the left(often far-left), can be considered cowardice and inaction.
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The right (the far right is the main thing I refer to) is racist, sexist, homophobic and has committed genocide. They need to be disposed of, in the name of decent moral values. Capitalism however is both our enemy and our teacher.
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The kill count of capitalism, fascism, and communism is a tricky thing. One may find out that the reds may have a little bit more "red" on their hands then their supposed fascist enemies.
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Yes but I was never referring to capitalism was I? Capitalism didn't indeed kill more then communism given it has been around longer. However fascism has killed less. This is not including historical revisionism and using the cold hard facts of what the mainstream history has given us. So I am even including Hitler's 6 billion number in that stat as well.
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That's because the main fascist nations lasted for around a decade. In that time they started the most deadly war in human history, fail spectacularly in said war, and one of them even managed to start one of the best planned and conducted mass genocides in history. And Hitler killed 11 million in camps and such if non-Jews are also included (Stalin killed 10 million maximum according to records, unless you count his amazing power to change weather conditions to create a famine).
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If that famine jab was you denying the Holodomor then I am going to call hypocrisy on oyur part for bitching about the Holocaust but being okay with your own. BTW Mao killed about 40 million in a shorter time then Hitler in his great leap forward. You're one to talk. So the length and time period also does not seem to fit despite there being over fascist regimes that have survived. Also you seem to forgot your won genocides like Stalin's purge against the Chechens. Also it was not even the bloodiest war. There have been far bloodier. The American civil war for instance had more casualties in it. Indeed medicine did play a part in keeping soldiers alive as the years go by on Earth but it still stands to be semi-ignorant to call it the "bloodiest war." Also the war wasn't started by the Nazis. Hitler wanted the city of Danzing in Poland. Not all of Poland. Just that one town. England said know and put the Poles in a fearful state that they freaked out. Tension escalated which then lead to Poland, which the USSR also invaded mind you. The second time. The USSR tried to invade Poland once before in 1919 and failed spectacularly. All in all the Soviet Union was more like a paper tiger. But I already know you are a hypocrite. You cry and shed crocodile tears at Auschwitz but seem to be just jolly with crimes committed by your own side. Stalin killed a max of 24 million BTW bud.
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No, I'm denying that Stalin created the conditions for the famine. He didn't cause a drought in Europe. He didn't cause a crop fungus to ruin crops in Europe. He didn't cause Kulaks to burn their crops and slaughter their animals rather than hand them over to the government (which killed lots of people, as the government was the food distribution system for the everyone other than farmers themselves). Quite on the contrary, they lowed the amount of grain being exported from the area, and Stalin personally authorised aid for the area in reply to a letter he received informing him of the troubles. Wikipedia provides enough information to debunk the claims that Stalin caused Holodomor, and that's hardly known for being Communist Propaganda. And according to many, no, he didn't . Did I ever claim Stalin did no wrong? No, no I didn't. And I don't know where you get your figures from but last I checked at maximum 850,000 people did in the US Civil War, whereas at maximum 80,000,000 died during WW2 (almost 100 time more people). And I never even called it the "bloodiest war" I called it the "deadliest war". Hitler invaded Poland. Hitler started WW2. And yes he did want all of Poland, and any argument to the contrary can be defeated by the word "Lebensraum". And no, the Polish actually started the Polish Soviet War by capturing a Soviet town in Belarus. After this war they proceeded to take Soviet territory, which the Soviets to the chance to regain in '39. Paper Tiger. Not really, that would be reactionaries like yourself. And no, 10 million is a well researched and corroborated estimate.
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BTW reactionaries means not wanting to change. Using it to refer to anyone who doesn't want to conform to your conservative-communist clique does nothing. Fascists called their movement revolutionary too. Technically speaking you are being reactionary since you want to go back to the Soviet times which are long gone. As a side note Stalin is praised by Russian conservatives and nationalists.
Wikipedia is not your friend. In fact wikipedia says.
During the Holodomor, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine", [6] [7] [8] millions of citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians , died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine . [9] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and many other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet Union. [10]
Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long term plan of Joseph Stalin , an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. [9] [19] [20] [21] Using Holodomor in reference to the famine emphasizes its man-made aspects, arguing that actions such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement confer intent, defining the famine as genocide ; the loss of life has been compared to the Holocaust . [22][ better source needed] If Soviet policies and actions were conclusively documented as intending to eradicate the rise of Ukrainian nationalism , they would fall under the legal definition of genocide . [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]
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You're a fascist, meaning you want to keep the capitalists system (Fascism is a form of Capitalism, deal with it), so yes you are a reactionary. And fascists are rarely a revolutionary movement, with effectively all fascists taking power in coups, or as in Hitlers case, getting elected in unfair elections. And no, I don't want to go back to Soviet times.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_o…
"The first reports regarding malnutrition and hunger in rural areas and towns (which were undersupplied through the recently introduced rationing system) to the Ukrainian GPU and oblast authorities are dated to mid-January 1933. However, the first food aid sent by Central Soviet authorities for the Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions 400 thousand poods (6600 tonnes , 200 thousand poods or 3300 tonnes for each) appeared as early as February 7, 1933.[37] Measures were introduced to localize these cases using locally available resources. While the numbers of such reports increased, the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolshevik) of Ukraine issued a decree on February 8, 1933, that urged every “hunger case” to be treated without delay and with a maximum mobilization of resources bykolkhozes, raions, towns, and oblasts. The decree set a seven-day term for food aid which was to be provided from “central sources”. On February 20, 1933, the Dnipropetrovsk oblast received 1.2 million poods of food aid, Odessa received 800 thousand, and Kharkiv received 300 thousand. The Kiev oblast was allocated 6 million poods by March 18. The Ukrainian authorities also provided aid, but it was limited by available resources. In order to assist orphaned children, the Ukrainian GPU and People's Commissariat for Health created a special commission, which established a network of kindergartens where children could get food. Urban areas affected by food shortage adhered to a rationing system. On March 20, 1933, Stalin signed a decree which lowered the monthly milling levy in Ukraine by 14 thousand tons, which was to be redistributed as an additional bread supply “for students, small towns and small enterprises in large cities and specially in Kiev”."
"Between February and June 1933, thirty-five Politburo decisions and Sovnarkom decrees authorized the issue of a total of 35.19 million poods (576,400 tonnes),[38] or more than half of total aid to Soviet agriculture as a whole. 1.1 million tonnes were provided by Central Soviet authorities in winter and spring 1933 — grain and seeds for Ukrainian SSR peasants, kolhozes and sovhozes . Such figures did not include grain and flour aid provided for the urban population and children, or aid from local sources. In Russia, Stalin personally authorized distribution of aid in answer to a request bySholokhov , whose own district was stricken.[39] "
"Documents from Soviet archives indicate that the aid distribution was made selectively to the most affected areas, and during the spring months, such assistance was the goal of the relief effort. A special resolution of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolshevik) of Ukraine for the Kiev Oblast , from March 31, 1933, ordered peasants to be hospitalized with either ailing or recovering patients. The resolution ordered improved nutrition within the limits of available resources so that they could be sent out into the fields to sow the new crop as soon as possible.[41] The food was dispensed according to special resolutions from government bodies, and additional food was given in the field where the laborers worked."
"A second significant factor was "the massacre of cattle by peasants not wishing to sacrifice their property for nothing to the collective farm."[74] During winter and spring 1930–31, the Ukrainian agricultural authority Narkomzem issued several reports about the significant decline of livestock and especially draft power caused by poor treatment, absence of forage , stables, and farms, and "kulak sabotage". [75] "
"Drought has been mentioned as the major reason for the Holodomor by Soviet sources since 1983.[80] [81] This explanation has been modified by the Western historian Dr. Mark Tauger, who concluded that the famine was not fundamentally "man-made".[82] [83] He says that rustic plant disease, rather than drought, was the cause of the famine. The most that can be said of the contribution of human actions is that draft shortages, lack of labor, systemic economic problems, mismanagement, and peasant resistance exacerbated the crop failures already created by natural disasters.[24]
In 1932, extremely dry weather reduced crops in some regions, and unusually wet and humid weather in most others fostered unprecedented infestations. These conditions reduced the potential yield, as drought had in 1931. Drought, rain, and infestations destroyed at least 20% of the harvest, and this would have been sufficient on its own to cause serious food shortages or even famine. The historian Mark Tauger believes that if these factors had not developed in 1931 and 1932, agricultural production would have been considerably larger.
The drought was not as bad as that of the non-famine year of 1936, and the earlier drought was centered outside Ukraine, according to the leading Soviet authority on drought.[84] The prime cause of the major crop failure of 1932–33 was plant rust rather than drought. Nevertheless, there was a significant drought in 1931, which caused a considerable decrease in the harvest, while in 1936 the decrease in the harvest was not as catastrophic."
"After grain collection difficulties in 1927 and 1928, Stalin ordered the creation of state grain and meat enterprises — sovkhozes — which, according to his initial vision, should deliver more than 100 million poods of grain in 1932. However, in 1932 their production results were disastrous due to poor general and agricultural management and planning, despite the significant (as compared to kolkhozes ) amount of modern agricultural mechanisms (agricultural tractors, harvesters, etc.) employed.[87] The main reason for low output was that wheat was continually sown, beginning in 1929, on the same areas without fertilizers. Sovkhozes also suffered from a lack of manpower and infrastructure (roads, elevators etc.). Losses during harvesting were extremely high.[78] Thus instead of the expected 290 millions of poods (more than 5 million tons) in 1932, sovkhozes produced 5 time less, while the situation with livestock was even worse.[76] As of 20 July 1932 sovhozes of the Ukrainian SRR had logged 16% of the defined sowing area."
"Another factor in the decline of the harvests was that the shortage of draft power for plowing and reaping was even more acute in 1932 than in the previous year. The number of working horses declined from 19.5 million on July 1, 1931 to 16.2 million on July 1, 1932. The efforts to replace horses by tractors failed to compensate for this loss. In 1931, the total supply of tractors for agriculture amounted to 578,000 hp (431 MW), with 393,000 hp (293 MW) produced at home and 578,000 hp (431 MW) imported. But in 1932, because of the foreign trade crisis and home producing establishing, no tractors were imported.[88] In the whole of 1932, tractors supplied 679,000 hp (506 MW) to agriculture, considerably less than in 1931. Only about half became available in time for the harvest, and even less in time for the spring sowing. Animal draft power deteriorated in quality. Horses were fed and maintained even more inadequately than in the previous year.[88] The acute shortage of horses led to the decision to employ cows as working animals . According to the speech of one Soviet official at one of the most affected by famine region, the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast , "in 1932 we employ only 9000 cows, but in 1933 we involve at least 3/4 of their total number; 57000 employed at sowing."[89] On February 23, the Lower Volga party bureau decided to use 200,000 cows for special field work."
"Ukraine had long been the most agriculturally productive area, providing over 50% of exported grain and 25% of total production of grain in the Russian Empire in 1913. Over 228,936 square kilometres (56,571,000 acres), 207,203 square kilometres (51,201,000 acres) were used for grain production, or 90.5% of total arable land. This degree of dependency on agriculture meant that the effects of a bad harvest could be almost unlimited. This had been long recognized, and while projections for agricultural production were adjusted, the shock of limited production could not be easily managed."
" education and publishing in the republic remained Ukrainianized for years afterward. In 1935–36, 83% of all school children in the Ukrainian SSR were taught in Ukrainian, with Ukrainians making up about 80% of the population.[51] In 1936, of 1830 newspapers, 1402 were in Ukrainian, as were 177 magazines, and in 1936, 69 thousand Ukrainian books were printed.[52] "
"Cereals (in tonnes):
- 1930 – 4,846,024
- 1931 – 5,182,835
- 1932 – 1,819,114 (~750,000 during the first half of 1932; from late April ~157,000 tonnes of grain was also imported)
- 1933 – 1,771,364 (~220,000 during the first half of 1933;[46] from late March grain was also imported[47] )
Only wheat (in tonnes):
- 1930 – 2,530,953
- 1931 – 2,498,958
- 1932 – 550,917
- 1933 – 748,248"
(Grain export figures those last ones, notice how they drop dramatically during the famine, they didn't rise as many claim).
Simple enough really.
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You're a fascist, meaning you want to keep the capitalists system (Fascism is a form of Capitalism, deal with it
I'm no -_- . Fascism is a form of third way economics that combines both socialism and capitalism into one. Now I know you truly are delusional and just a hipster faggot. For example Mussolini was a violent revolutionary before he created fascism. Capitalism means a free market. I.E no government intervention. The government does nothing. In socialism the government controls everything. In fascism there is a mix between free market and controls. We now know you are the highest ranking tool.
Holodomor denial is the assertions that the 1932–1933 genocide in Soviet Ukraine either did not occur or did occur but was not a premeditated act. [99] [100] Denying the existence of the famine was the Soviet state's position and reflected in both Soviet propaganda and the work of some Western journalists and intellectuals including Walter Duranty and Louis Fischer . [99] [101] [102] [103] [104] In the Soviet Union, authorities all but banned discussion of the famine, and Ukrainian historian Stanislav Kulchytsky stated the Soviet government ordered him to falsify his findings and depict the famine as an unavoidable natural disaster, to absolve the Communist Party and uphold the legacy of Stalin. [105]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_o…
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Fascism uses "a mix between free market and controls". Capitalist. There is state intervention in economies today, it's still Capitalist. Unless there is an absence of private control of the means of production, then it is still a form of capitalist.
"is the assertion that the 1932–1933 Holodomor , a man-made[1] famine in Soviet Ukraine ,[2] did not occur."
I am not asserting that it didn't happen. I am asserting that it wasn't man made. And yes, that Wikipedia article is well sourced, you can check all of the sources yourself if you want. I can provide many more sources bnut no doubt you will dissmiss them as ebul Communist propaganda. I even know non-Communists, who despise Stalin, who will agree with me that it would seem that Holodomor was not man made.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Wa…
www.barnesandnoble.com/w/third…
www.amazon.com/The-Economics-T…
6. Oswald Mosley was opposed to both State Socialism and Capitalism and believed there was a far better system he called the Third Position.
Oswald Mosley wanted all businesses over a certain size to be jointly owned by all the people who were employed in them rather than by the State or Private Shareholders. In this way employees would become stakeholders in the companies they worked for, they would have a decisive say in the running of the company and all profits would be shared amongst them alone. As Communism and Capitalism have both clearly failed we should now look seriously at the Third Position.
Please son. It's embarrassing that I know more about economics then you. You cannot just say that everything you don't like is capitalist. Unless it is a truly hands off free government then it's not really capitalist. National Socialism was a combination of the two. Made after Benito Mussolini was kicked out of the Communist party. Funny thing is if you commies did not kick Mussolini. You never even would have created fascism or National Socialism to begin with. It's one of those biggest what ifs in history. The second great war can be defined as three competing ways.
The First way = Capitalism and democracy as we have it now. The status quo as it is.
The Second way = communism. You and all your ilk though I like some of your ilk. Just not you in particular.
Third way = Fascism or National Socialism.
Let me quote wiki again. FYI wiki is the worse source to use if you are going try and justify your side. It's very anti-fascist and communist. I have no idea why you guys use it.
Denial of the Holodomor (Ukrainian : Заперечення Голодомору, Russian : Отрицание Голодомора) is the assertion that the 1932–1933 Holodomor , a man-made [1] famine in Soviet Ukraine , [2] did not occur. [3] [4] [5] [6] This denial and suppression was made in official Soviet propaganda from the very beginning until the 1980s. It was supported by some Western journalists and intellectuals. [4] [5] [7] [8] [9] It was echoed at the time of the famine by some prominent Western journalists, including Walter Duranty and Louis Fischer . The denial of the man-made famine was a highly successful and well orchestrated disinformation campaign by the Soviet government. [3] [4] [5] Stalin "had achieved the impossible: he had silenced all the talk of hunger... Millions were dying, but the nation hymned the praises of collectivization ", said historian and writer Edvard Radzinsky . [5]
If this crime as you say was natural then Stalin or any one in the USSR government would have asked for international help. Why on Earth would Stalin want to surpress this info from getting out? having friends that like x and agree with X is perhaps the crummiest debate tactic I have ever seen. Unless they actually lived under that regime. Shit I can even do that. Here's a former Soviet Citizen that actually lived in the Iron curtain. Here he is talking to twats just like yourself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxjCQl…
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Capitalism is still Capitalism, even if it has cooperatives. It's a market economy, it's still capitalism. It is modified Capitalism, still Capitalism. Does it have private ownership of the means of production: Yes. Does it have Exploitation: Yes. Does it have a market economy: Yes. Then it's still capitalism. Call it what you want, it's still just a modification of Capitalism. Mussolini was kicked out due to his stance on WW1, which was flat out wrong, and he instead of listening to what other people said, or accepting any arguments, he had a hissy fit and started critiscizing the Party (Socialist Party) and anyone who was anti-WW1. They were perfectly within their rights to kick him out.
I rarely use Wikipedia, and mainly use it due to the fact that it is anti-Communist yet still proves m point (as in this case), as no one can yell Communist Propaganda. And you try asking for help on the international stage when the entire world bar Mongolia wants your nation to collapse and fail. Unless Mogolia had become some huge food producer there was no one to ask who would have said yes.
Here is a large proportion of half of the former Socialist nation saying the opposite:
rbth.ru/news/2013/10/12/about_…
www.balkaninsight.com/en/artic…
www.balkanalysis.com/romania/2…
www.pewresearch.org/daily-numb…
www.spiegel.de/international/g… -majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html
www.gallup.com/poll/166538/for…
robertlindsay.wordpress.com/20…
www.finance.si/325345/Anketa-M…
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What you sound like now:
Capitalism, Capitalism , Capitalism, Capitalism is out to get you. Watch out for the Capitals. Beware of the Capitalism. Nazis were capitalism. You sound like a Neo-Nazi blaming everything on the Jooooos but instead it's capitalism. Despite showing so much proof to you to continue to exude faggotry. How can mere men stand up to such faggotry. Also The Soviet system had exploitation you dumbfuck 
canadafreepress.com/article/16…
Educate yourself but that would be part of the Capitalist conspiracy. Also stop being paranoid by capitalism. I mean really. You are a serious fag. Funny that too because many of those same Soviet Nations seem to really hate the Union. Even Putin admits the Union was full of shit and only an idiot (people like you) would want it back.
www.vocativ.com/world/russia/c…
In fact the Russian Tatars are really pissed.
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GG, Good attempt to ignore facts there.
You comitted a crime (real or imagined), you went to a GULAG. It's a prison. Thats the point. You repay the state for the crime you just comitted. Prison systems in any nation, even Capitalists ones don't count as exploitation.
Doesn't stop him from being incorrect. He was advocating the supporting of Imperialist Powers to put down other nations. He was supporting Imperialism. It was wrong. He couldn't deal with it, so he had a hissy fit and they kicked him out. All Lenin said was:"What a waste that we lost Mussolini. He is a first-rate man who would have led our party to power in Italy.". They lost him to nationalism, he said nothing further. And good on Stalin for ruining those relations, Mussolini was also a biggoted racist, but he didn't even have a decent army, unlike Hitler.
At least I have a reason to say Capitalism repeatedly. All I can read from you is "fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag"
The opinion of the majority of Eastern Europe counters out Putin and the Crimean Tartars.
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So what about the Germans camps that were also prisons? Seems you have a double standard. It was bad any of these countries had camps. The point is however these camps were for political dissidents that Stalin sent way. It's clear you have a double-standard and it's your only standard. Your just a butthurt little faggot who can't admit it. Excellent work comrade. The future of Communism is safe with you. I salute thee 
Good job there son. You done well. But you still fail to grasp economics and how the left and the right have been intertwined. I know it's your slogan to to say smash the right but there are no rightest here to smash. Sorry about that bud :c . Also Mussolini a racist? Isn't he the one who said race was a feeling? The one who received the "sword of Islam" from the Arabs while Stalin was busy killing Muslims off in Crimea? I know you have a hard on for Stalin but that seems to be to much white-knighting. After all Stalin was the racist Russo-centrist that Khrushchev later denounced. In fact every Soviet leader has denounced him.In fact I have a lot of respect for a lot of the Soviet leaders except Stalin. A fact that is shared with the Soviets themselves.
You are just that much of a moron 
The term fag here was not being used incorrectly
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Oh yeah, those German prisons where being Jewish or a gypsy, or a Slav, or a Soviet POW was a legitimate reason to be sent. You know, like the vast majority of the prisoners were? The vast majority of inmates in Gulags were actual criminals, which is quite obvious when you look it up. In 1953 of the 2.4 million people in the Gulag system 0.4 million of them were political prisoners. And that was under Stalin. Heck even your whole claim that they are comparable to Concentration and Death camps is wrong, as Gulags had a much much lower death rate: According to a 1993 study of data just over 1 million people died in the between 1934 and 1953 in the system (there was no data kept before 1934, although estimates have been around 1.6 million between 1929 and 1953. Only 14 million people passed through the system, and more than 4 million were released, so 10 million could physically not have died in the system).
"fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag"
You fail to grasp that capitalism is still capitalism even when the state controls some businesses and messes around with the banks. And yes Mussolini was a racist, he considered Slavs as "inferior" and "barbarians". And using propaganda events as evidence against racism doesn't really count either. Wow Khrushchev denounced Stalin. Guess what he also did: Started the USSR on the long path to it's own destruction by slowly dismantling Socialism. He has no room to criticise anyone, considering he went around different nations attacking the Chinese. And considerable numbers of people in the former USSR view Stalin positively, especially in Georgia. In Russia according to Polls 50% of people still view him positively, making him the third most like Soviet leader after Brezhnev (56%) and Lenin (55%). Compare this to Gorbachev, whom 66% of people view negatively. Clearly they all hate Stalin.
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And denies Holodomor he does. -_- Why do I even waste my fucking time. Top Kek comrade.
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I think you'll find you are calling for genocide.
Never forget the 6 billion jews!
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And of course, you aren't calling for a(nother) genocide by the right wing?
Oh, let me guess you are a Holocaust denier as well aren't you.
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Which holocaust are you talking about?
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The one titled "The Holocaust" that was committed by the SS, as well as elements of the Whermacht and Luftwaffe during Hitlers reign. Also referred to as the "Final solution" or in full "The Final Solution to the Jewish Question"
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"as well as elements of the Whermacht and Luftwaffe"
Your understanding of history is a vague grasp at best I take it. You were only a step away from going full retard and claiming that the Kreigsmarine also started holocausting.
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Recent evidence has revealed that elements of the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe were involved in actions with Einsatzgruppen on the Eastern Front, on an unofficial level. It was mainly individual volunteers from said groups. The main reason most weren't persecuted at Nuremberg was due to the secrecy of the techniques used to gather the information by British Intelligence (They bugged a manor house full of mainly high ranking German POWs).
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First off bugging someone's house is illegal and not evidence. What if they weren't being serious? Are the Allies suddenly the NSA now? IT seems to me they just love to make German villainy and thoguh to spout how evil those Germans are. Of course the fact Stalin was and is worse is totally lost on these nincompoops. For example they show that famous pic of the supposed Nazi shooting a Jewish women in a field but there are also pics of the NKVD shooting a Finnish child who they think is a collaborator. Keethink and not defined. Strangely that was never found in any text books I read.
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Admits to murdering civilians
Doesn't count because house was bugged
And last I checked the mass murder of civilians was illegal according to the Geneva Convention, so that argument doesn't work. And yes, the Allies pretty much were the NSA, that's why none of them were tried at Nuremberg, as the data collection methods were later used on the USSR. And not really, considering it was originally in a book composed by two German Historians (who stumbled upon the archives by accident). In fact, there are some quote from it here . "Supposed Nazi"? By that you mean SS Soldier, as that's who he was *prepares for Holocaust Denial*. Right, are you gonna provide that picture?
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So if the NSA listens in on me and says I am an Islamic terrorist because I mentioned one online they have the right to arrest me? My point being that they may not have even murder civilians since there were accounts of Nazis being tortured to admit to crimes they never committed. Look up London's iron cage.
Prepares for Holocuast denial while denying Holodomor. You are the worst kind of cunt there is. You don't give a shit about the holocaust. If it was Stalin that made those camps in Auschwitz you would be just peachy with them and you know it. But since it was not him they are bad and you cry crocidle tears for the victim. The picture I am referring to is the infamous one of the lone soldier aiming a gun at a mother and child in a field. The reason I bring this up is that the Russkies have lied in the past. For example the Katyn Forrest Massacre was crime committed by the Soviets against the Poles. Many men, women, children, and intellectuals were shot dead in the Forrest. The Soviets later blamed this as an Axis atrocity on the Poles. Years later this info was declassified.
Ironically in some countries it is still considered "Holocaust denial" to claim the Soviets did it even thoguh they admitted to it. So you may want even fucking decide what is and what's not Holocaust denial. Especially since you just denied Holodomor to my face and tried to say "it wasn't Stalin's fault." You know Stalin coined the term "useful idiots" for westerners who were pro-Soviet. He did it for he knew he was running a nuthouse and wondered why the hell they were supporting him. He was happy nonetheless.
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If the NSA listens in to you, and you admit you decapitated a journalist, and set off a car bomb, then yes I would say that's a reason to arrest someone. Saying such things as "I shot a Frenchman from behind. He was riding a bicycle.....Nonsense. I wanted the bicycle" is hardly just mentioning it.
No, this is about you, because you are a Holocaust denier, not me, I accept facts unlike yourself, I have provided facts, and I use facts. Hitler killed 6 million Jews in camps along with 5 million others. Fucking deal with it.
Are you now saying the Soviets committed the Holocaust. Wow, that is next gen idiocy. That's laughably stupid. You think that. When you uncover all the Soviet Records where they fully documented the holocaust, some of which they tried to burn as the Germans liberated their camps in '41, and find all the prisoners and the guards who all admit to being involved in the Holocaust which was run by the USSR and not Nazi Germany, then you can say that. Oh and SS Documents don't count. And not only was the term supposed to have been coined by Lenin and not Stalin (although they are still unsure as to whether he did in fact coin it) it just means someone who supports a cause they aren't fully aware of, like yourself being a Holocaust denier.
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No. If you are going by American law you can't have evidence used against you that was illegally obtained. For example if the police break into your house without a warrant and find evidence they can't use it against you. However what stands was how do you know these guys weren't lying or joking? For example me and my friends joke that we kill 7 million people just by being evil. I highly doubt that every single one of these guys was an evil murdering sociopath like you want. The same way every member of the red army did not rape his way across Europe c:
Yes, this is about you. I asked you a question and you are under fire. You twats do this all the time. You try to hide your own sickness and try to pin it on me. Well no more. You denied Holodomor. Not only that. You were fucking stupid enough to use Wikipedia that has an an article on Holodomor denial. Tell me again how fucking stupid are you.
Also I never even denied the Holocuast in this post or that the Soviets committed "thee holocaust". I told you that if Stalin did it you would be okay with it considering you just justified Holodmor and carry around a Stalin avatar. Also Katyn massacre was true. You can read it for yourself. The soviets committed the crime, blamed it on the Germans, and then made it considered Holocuast denial. However we now know the Soviets did it and made it a crime to talk about it. It seems that your kind to use the language of your master don't like it that much when you are put under scrutiny. And the ignorance at the end. You thought capitalism and fascism were the same. Denies Holodomor and then bitches about the Holocuast. Top KeK comrade. You wasted your entire last paragraph with that. You are from England. Learn to read fucking English you dolt.
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Look at all the fucks I give about US Law. Just as many fucks as the Einsatzgruppen gave to International Law, common sense, and morality: Zero.
"First we hit her in the tits with a stick and then we beat her rear end with a bare bayonet. Then we fucked her, and then we threw her outside and shot at her. When she was lying there on her back, we threw grenades at her. Every time one of them landed near her body, she screamed." Funny joke, clearly.
Yes, this is about you. I asked you a question and you are under fire. You twats do this all the time. You try to hide your own sickness and try to pin it on me. Well no more. You denied the Holocaust. Not only that. You were fucking stupid enough to use History that has a Nazi Holocaust in it. Tell me again how fucking stupid are you.
"Ironically in some countries it is still considered "Holocaust denial" to claim the Soviets did it even thoguh they admitted to it."
Implies that the Soviet comitted the Holocaust. Not only that but there is a stamp on your profile that clearly reads "Holocaust Denier" so you do clearly deny the Holocaust, which is fully doccumented by the SS themselves. This is contrary to Holodomor which was mainly doccumented by Western press, the majoity of which was from people who didn't visit, and the first people to cover it was a Pro-Nazi Group who clearly had an anti-Soviet bias. Not only that but the many Western people who went to Ukraine at the time flat out denied that it was happening. The reccords of Holodomor show a Soviet government taking increasingly large measures to try and prevent a disaster that could have affected the entire union. Of course they kept taking frood from the farms, the city people needed it. Of course they kept taking Grain from Ukraine, it produced the vast majority of the USSR's grain, and people outside Ukraine needed it. Of course they stopped people from leaveing, if all the people left there would be no one to work the farms. The Soviet Government provided massive ammounts of aid to Ukraine, during the period, lowered grain exports from Ukraine, among other things to limit the damge. They did what they could, when they could.
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YES! I got you to reply. I knew you would. Good because I just got ammo to use against you. Want to know what's funny? I just check out your source. First off this paper used to be pro-Nazi. Did you know that? Further more one more thing this paper isn't source. Meaning you have no evidence. So all we have to go by is the word of the these secret agent people. These same secret agent people that have enough evidence to lie in contrast I have this.
whale.to/b/walsh11.html
Sourced with references to national government agencies below. Also I brought up US law since you just justified the NSA.
"Ironically in some countries it is still considered "Holocaust denial" to claim the Soviets did it even thoguh they admitted to it."
IT refers to the Katyn massacre. Not the Holocuast you dolt. LOLOLOLOL. How much of a moron are you. I was saying that it used to be labeled as holocaust denial to claim that the Soviets committed the Katyn massacre. If you don't know the history of that it was a crime that after the Soviets took over their half of Poland they massacred intellectuals, women, and children. The bodies were then tossed into a ditch. In 1943 the German army came upon this mass grave and the Polish government in exile along with the Nazi government asked the red cross to look into this. After which Stalin cut his ties with the FUCKING red cross. Stalin would then go on to claim that the Germans committed this crime. True to their word it was a crime to say the Soviets did this until 1990 when the Russian federation declassified it and it was revealed it was all on Stalin. In fact he even signed the order for it to happen.
That's what I was going on about. LOL. You are such an easily triggered faggot 
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Wow, I don't care. It has quotes, from the book I am using as a source in it, that's why I linked it. The paper isn't the source, the book it mentions is. If you want the source go buy a copy. Also, I love the clear bias of this paper. It completely neglects to mention that Dachau was a concentration camp, where more than 30,000 prisoners died, and Himler ordered all of the survivors to be killed before the camp was taken by the allies. If I was one of those American soldiers I would have shot every one of those guards myself, and I would have been proud of my service to humanity. Those guards had zero regards for international law when operating a concentration camp (not a death camp) so I really don't care how much regard for international law the Americans had with them. And even then, many have disputed the claim. Again, the Soviets too were in their rights using the German POWs as labour. At least they weren't attempting to perpousefully murder them, unlike the Germans who sent Soviet POWs straight to Auschwitz and the like. Most German POWs returned after they helped to rebuild the nation they spent four years completely flattening, meanwhile there was an 80% mortality rate among Soviet POWs the Germans held.
And the way in which the sentence was constructed it could have been, and was enturprated as the implication that the Soviets committed the Holocaust. And yes I am fully aware of the Katyan massacre. And? Did I say at any point at all that Stalin made no mistakes ever? I infact think I adressed the Katyan claim four or five comments back. And again, I have seen long papers that blame it on the Germans. Here's some shorter ones:
www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secN…
www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn…
Is faggot your only insult? Really.
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>Uses Stalin Society ,org as a source. Oh man. You seriously are a fag. I mean the Russian federation even admitted it was Stalin's crime. In fact I have the fucking paper that he himself singed for this atrocity. You truly are one of the dumbest fucks on the internet. I mean he took pride in this and even cut off the red cross. And once again the Russian government admitted to it. It doesn't matter if I write a 100 page essay on why it didn't happen. Longer does not mean more valid and he even singed it. Of course who was I thinking. The double-standard is your only standard. Just like all leftist who think they are perfect angels.
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"fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag, fag"
Well apart from the fact that you used an obviously bias source, I made a statement which you have ignored twice. Learn to read.
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What biased source was that good comrade? I mean did I use a source that even had Hitler or Nazi or fascist in its name? KeK. Some neckbeard debunks National Socialism as capitalist in just one comment on a shitty art site. Fuck me sideways!
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Oh the 666 trillion kikes one?
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