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michal4269 β Meeting with Leviathan
Published: 2012-08-29 07:32:07 +0000 UTC; Views: 2219; Favourites: 27; Downloads: 33
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Meeting with one of the creators of the Reapers.Related content
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*spoilers ahead*
I watched the Leviatan DLC on Youtube and I'm not really impressed. Lots of running around and fighting plus acting clueless despise all the knowledge gathered in every game about reapers and indoctrination. Really it was soo obvious that the people was mind controlled and all what Shep had to say was that he/she don't know what is going on. The end messed things up even more. We find out that creatures that created all that mess are worst than reapers themselves. Now we have the choice to become new reaper and someday start harvesting other species or become brainless slaves side by side WITH the Reapers and serve our Leviathan snobs to the end of eternity or at least till they get another "great" idea to make their slaves stop dying and serve better by creating another "Catalist", because of course mighty gods can't make mistakes. Heh now whatever we choose the cycle is screwed alike. Whatever red, blue or green choice we'll make, the end will be the same. From what Catalist in Extended cut said about his creators seemed like they were intelligent highly advanced species that was worried because synthetics and organics couldn't get along and tried to make something like a diplomat or man i between that will ensure peace, but it went bad. Now Bioware gave us old, egoistic, powerful species with giant ego that created Catalist just to make sure the Leviathans won't loose their slaves. In another words countless races were lost because big jerks didn't wont to loose their toys. And so a great tragic story turned into farce...
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well if i read your statement you didnt watch it to the end
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The ending of Mass3 with Leviatans No, but I guess it didn't change it in any serious way. Bioware won't let them take over, unless they plan to make another Mass Effect with them as the treat.
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did you actually play leviathan?
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I watched it on Youtube.I wrote that in the first post
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Im sorry but then you dont have the right to say anything about the DLC and anything you say is sensless nonesens because you cant know.
Sorry
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I saw the whole playthrou of Leviathan DLC from the beginning to the end(a person is recording the screen while he'she plays the game). All that I was missing is walking the rooms and shooting. My opinion wouldn't change even if I would play it personally. It could be good DLC but it is what it is, just like MASS Effect3. You don't have to agree with my thoughts, but you can't tell me my opinion is senseless nonsense.
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it changes a lot because they talk a lot while talkin
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True in a way ... but that is also a bit of tired storyline, the idea that just because a race is old and advanced means its beneficent and wise. Laira falls into the same line of thinking regarding the Protheans and if Javik is anything to go by they were not a pleasent lot.
Humans as a species are programed by our genes to co-operate (in a way) because we evolved as a social group species. That mindset influences our races entire social outlook. The Leviathans on the other hand evolved to make use of other races to do their manual work for them. They simply would not see any other organic life form as anything but useful puppets. Im sure that same mindset forms the core of the Catalyst, and through it every other Reaper.
Yes it is true that the ME galaxy has ever since suffered because of the actions of one much old species. They view the Reaper and Leviathans form of life and actions as cruel and unjust but thats because they are on the recieving end. What if cattle or arible crops suddenly realised how human civilisation treats them? They are in the same situation. Also it ties in with the Lovecraftian feel of the Reapers, these are massive alien creatures with mindsets so unlike anything else that they cannot be easily comprehended.
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I never said that old race must be beneficent, they could be worried for hundreds different reasons, but the one mentioned in the game is just shallow to me.
I wouldn't say Leviathans evolved to use other species, at some point they were just within their own people. Making slaves is just a style of life, humans had slaves also and some people have them even now. In my point of view species can't evolve in to space travel without some co-operation skills.
I don't think cattle and crops are good example of situation they can't say anything against it, intelligent races can and are understood, the other side just don't care. Leviathans are easy comprehended they clearly said what they care for and think and that is why this cycle is screwed. Possibly it's all bed writing.
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so these are the organic versions of reapers?
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Reapers are the synthetiΡ version of Leviathans
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Yeah, I bought it last night. Took me over 3 hours because it was on insanity. What a warm welcome back to ME!
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Kinda makes the large mech suit feel small doesnt it?
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Oh, crap, please, put some warning about spoilers next time
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Sorry. But fortunately this is one of those spoilers that you need to complete all the DLC in order to understand fully its end.
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I will honestly say, I did NOT see THIS coming when I played the DLC. At first I was thinking of another Reapr, but never whould I have guessed it to be an entire race of supe-intelligent Old Gods!
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Old Gods that are not very bright. It's call a kill-switch, dumbass! Look it up! They gave the Intelligence so much power, but didn't have a way to stop it "in case shit happens"? I refuse to believe that beings who have all but mastered technology didn't have a fucking failsafe. It's bullshit. *sigh*
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then you must not have listened very well, Leviathan said there was no warning and that they didn't think of the Intelligence as anything but another tool. Why make a failsafe when you're that arrogant?
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It's suppose to be some what poetic justice; these almost omnipotent being who use organic thralls to survive try to solve the issue of how and why thier slaves keep making robot slaves for themselves, and up being destroyed by them; in the end, they TOO end up being defeated by the problem that they were trying to solve, by doin the exact same thing as their thralls did. Also, when you are all powerful and knowing as the Leviathans, you loose track and interest with other, less evolved races over time.
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I understand what you're saying and it is poetic justice. Still, major stupidity. Also, why didn't they run to a different galaxy? They could go to dark space, but couldn't go anywhere else? It might be a temporary soulution, but a good time to develop a counter action. Screw it, I can nitpick all day and it changes nothing.
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Wait, are you refering to the Reapers, or the Leviathans? Because as powerful as they are, Leviathans are still organic. They could not survive without ships.
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Leviathans must be able to survive without ships. Didn't they leave the planet without a ship? I can't remember.
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It was implied that they came to that water world by ships. No doubt those ships sank and deteriorated into the ocean floor. Also, they did wipe the memories of their thralls and destroyed their own technology, in order to cover their tracks.
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Okay, but NOW how did they leave? Are they just controlling people to use as soldiers while they stay on the planet? That wouldn't work because the Reaper's know where they are now. I'm confused.
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The never left. Physically anyway. They use those black and green orbs we saw at the lab on the Presidium. They use a mental version of QEC, the same thing used by T.I.M. in ME2, but for simplicity, we'll call it telepathy. The artifacts we found in the demo are basically amplifiers/comm. devices for their thralls. Only now, the Leviathans use these to control Reaper forces and make them fight each other, e.g. the Brute near the end of the DLC cut-scene figthing off the husks. The Reapers may be advanced, but they still follow the same schematics and designs - designs built by the very Leviathans themselves. The only way they can really do damage against the Reapers now, is if we (reluctantly) aid them by transporting those Leviathan artifats across war zones, in order for them to wreak havoc agianst the enemy.
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Ah, that makes sense now. If they were smart, they'd take over the Citadel with those things. Not easy, but it would end the Intelligence. They have to know where it is. They could control a bunch of people, take over, shut the arms, then find a way to destory the station. They built it so they probably can destory it. Or use it to control the relays. Whatever. That's probably the last we'll see of them.
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I hope we are THAT fortunate. Otherwise, we're going to have another Thorian scenario, only on a galactic scale.
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Well, as you have just pointed out, Reapers' technology is nothing but a slightly modified version of Leviathans' creations, if not the same. So, we can safely assume that the Crucible is able to affect Leviathans' machines, included the Artifacts.
In this way, the Destroy choice should disintegrate every single one of them, leaving those Ancient "Gods" absolutely powerless beyond the atmosphere of their planet and stranded on it. After the zone will be quarantined, they will be safely contained or destroyed.
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But wasn't it the leviathans who constructed the intelligence? That's what I got out of it.
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Race from which Leviathan has created intelligences who later rebelled and eventually took the form of the current reaper
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Looks like the problem they were trying to solve, ended up destroying them as well.
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DAFUQ?
Did you even play the DLC?
They AREN'T the creators, the Intelligence found a solution in creating the Reapers. The Reapers are created after Leviathans.
Either play the DLC or get your informations right.
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You're wrong. Leviathan is representative of the race that created the reapers actually intelignencji who sought a solution that would ensure peace between machines and humans. Betray their creators who have fallen victim to harvest. They were used to create the first reaper Harbinger. Reapers are created in the image of Harbinger or their likeness.
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The Intelligence they created, betrayed them. The Intelligence found a solution in creating Reapers and targeted them as first race to be harvested and because of that the first Reaper, Harbinger is created after and of them.
Leviathan IS a race. They all are Leviathans. It isn't a name of an individual being, it's a name of the whole race.
But as I said before, they didn't create Reapers, they created the Intelligence in order to protect organic life and synthetic once, but then the said Intelligence seen them as threat and harvested them as first. But they didn't create Reapers by themselves, they didn't want to create them.
The Intelligence DIDN'T take the form of a Reaper. It just CONTROLS Reapers, but the intelligence resides on Citadel.
And the Reapers are created after Leviathans, because the first Reaper created, the Harbinger was created of harvested genetic material of Leviathans. Later, all the Reapers of all cycles were created after this design. The exception was the Human-Reaper larva, which wasn't finished, but was modelled after human form.
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I think that human-reaper larva was a begining of a standard reaper, they build reapers to look like the species they are created from but that's on the inside, the outside shell which is later build over the inside shell is always the same/similar
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You're wrong. Leviathan is representative of the race that created the reapers actually intelignencji who sought a solution that would ensure peace between machines and humans. Betray their creators who have fallen victim to harvest. They were used to storzenia first reaper Harbinger. Reapers are created in the image of Harbinger or their likeness.
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