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Heres the Robin we never got to see.Tim Burton's Robin description: He’s not an African American mechanic, like in Waters’s draft for Batman Returns. He’s an orphaned circus boy who gets taken in by Bruce and is inspired by Batman to become his partner. His costume is described as “a flash of red and green” with a “devilish mask.” The boy himself is described as “a charmer: a clever little wise-ass with a loving heart.”
These micros are based on real Batman 3 concept art
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I'm not gonna lie... There's something about these designs that just works
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._.u..
you know, i'm not racist or nothing like that (actually, i like cyborg and statik)
but...... i think i prefear the old fashon robin xD
any way, the last one look awesome xD
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Robin appeared in the shooting script of Batman and Batman Returns but was deleted for whatever reason Burton could think of at the time. Burton hated Robin and planned on removing the character from the shooting script before he was fired. Marlon Wayans was cast in the role, but its doubtful if Burton considered the casting as serious. As previously stated, the character would likely be removed as he had been twice previously.
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Well this is just a what if.
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Given the fact that Burton didn't seem to have much interest in Dick Grayson/Robin as it was gives you the answer really.
But if you lifted instances from Forever such as Bruce relating to Dick not to follow a course of murderous revenge against Two Face and criminals and planted it into a Burton/Keaton feature, you would of had an apt mentor/student relationship that could of really worked due to his experience in the first two Batman flicks as a vengefull vigilante to the truly conflicted entity lost as much in the night time scramble as the criminals he faces.
Would Burton of orcheastrated such a setup? Well he was involved in Forever as a producer, although the known height of his involvement was recommending Joel.
When Warner Brothers decided to get a new director, they felt Joel Schumacher was the best choice. Joel didn’t want Marlon Waynes in his Batman movie, so Marlon Waynas was relieved of his acting duties and went on with his career. Waynas was paid for both movies. Joel decided to scratch everything Tim Burton built and so he hired a whole new cast and crew. I say paying Marlon Wayans for the rest of his life is a small price to pay to keep him from ruining an otherwise Batman film.
The Two-Face/Circus scenario was intended in original drafts for Bat89 so there were 'plans' for Dick's involvement on paper, although that could of been prior to Burton's involvement and also unrelated to his 'plans'.
But principally Burton never liked to explain or rationalise Batman. Forming a relationship and no doubt relating to another character such as Robin would potentially do as much and maybe ruin the mystique he intended and preferred for the Batman character?
As some deeper basis of a relationship would have to form, which would mean bringing Batman out of the shadows somewhat emotionally/characterwise.
Aside from that even the basic nature of Batman having such an indelible relationship with someone from the outside world goes against Burton's own thread of Bruce/Batman's solitude unless as volatile as Catwoman. An individual who can't maintain an integral relationship with anyone coming in 'new' due to being so introvert.
So, if I'm honest, I don't think Burton would of developed Robin that well as it's obvious the character wasn't of interest for him [he always had final say on scripts] and it seem's from his own character direction for Batman it wasn't the kind of relationship that would of been his forte as far as relating to his incarnation of the character.
So while you would of had more character development for Batman, it was probably best he left him alone!
Though Tim Burton did not like the character of Robin, the character did make it onto Batman Returns. Tim Burton felt he should ’change’ the character to a young African-American kid that was a whiz at fixing things. In the script, Dick Grayson was changed from ’Dick Grayson’ to simply ’Robin’. His name would be Robin, not the alias. Burton cast young Marlon Wayans, who was then only 19 years old.
Rumor has it that Marlon Wayans shot a scene where he was fixing the Batmobile right after it was wrecked by the Penguin. The scene was cut, but Marlon Wayans signed on for Batman Returns and the sequel, a two picture deal. The other big rumor states that Marlon Wayans simply did a "screen test", but never made it to the film.
No matter what, Marlon Wayans did attend a costume fitting for the character of Robin. In Daniel Water’s Batman Return’s script, Robin was known as "The Kid", who was an energitic 19 year old fan of Batman who was a mechanic.
When Warner Brothers decided to get a new director, they felt Joel Schumacher was the best choice. Joel didn’t want Marlon Waynes in his Batman movie, so Marlon Waynas was relieved of his acting duties and went on with his career. Waynas was paid for both movies. Joel decided to scratch everything Tim Burton built and so he hired a whole new cast and crew. I say paying Marlon Wayans for the rest of his life is a small price to pay to keep him from ruining an otherwise Batman film.
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...okay? I pretty much know all that.
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Like i said, paying Marlon Wayans for the rest of his life is a small price to pay to keep him from ruining an otherwise Batman film.
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Rest of his life? He only got payed for two films. Plus Batman films still got ruined by Schumacher.
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It wasn't Schumacher's fault persay, It was the pricks at WB that wanted Family Friendly flicks.
Schumacher could have made a darker Batman Forever like Burton's if he hadn't been under heavy pressure from WB studio to do so and said that his films were made intentionally marketable (or "toyetic") and kid-friendly.
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True, however Schumacher did say he wanted to do a lighter tone than what Burton did. Plus he could have least said "no" to the nippels on the Bat-Suit.
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You do know that Schumacher is gay right? So him saying no to the bat nipples is out of the question.
'm glad we never found out what Burton's Batman 3 would have been like. I didn't like what he did with the other two movies.
Burton was kept on a leash for Batman 1989. The result was a movie that was acceptable for all ages. But Burton thought the movie was boring, so if they wanted him for a sequel he wanted full creative control. They gave it to him and it resulted in a Batman movie that got a backlash for being too disturbing for kids. No small backlash either. It was big enough to affect promotions related to the movie and make WB completely overhaul the direction of the franchise.
That's why Burton wasn't allowed back. He wasn't going to come back under restrictions like with the first movie, and WB wasn't going to let him do his own thing again like with Returns.
Burton was interested in doing a third Batman movie. He claimed to have ideas for it and everything. But it turns out he wasn't interested in a third Batman movie regardless what Burton fans believed he said in those interviews. Burton doesn't seem to be very open minded to sequels as a rule. Same goes with Mike Keaton, regardless if it was the light tone, he didn't want any part of the Batman franchise at all and was more interested in roles in other movies that only suited him.
As for Billy Dee as Harvey Dent/Two-Face, according to the Batman 2-Disc special edition, in an interview with Billy Dee Williams, Williams admits to signing on to the project with the hopes of becoming Two-Face in a Batman Sequel. It is known that Two-Face was suppose to be in Batman Returns, but Max Shrek replaced the character. So did Tim Burton plan on using Billy Dee Williams in Batman III?
This is a long arguement that will probably never get answered unless there is an interview out there with Tim Burton or Billy Dee on the legal details. In the Billy Dee segment on the Batman Special Edition DVD, Billy seems disappointed that Tommy Lee Jones replaced him in the tragic, 'Batman Forever'. Tim Burton also states in the commentary that he would of found it interesting to have Two-Face as a villain in a sequel with Billy Dee Williams, but says that he had no idea if there would even be a sequel. According to IMDB.com, Tim Burton only originally had one villain in the third movie, The Riddler (Robin Williams), but those plans were given to Joel Schumacher.
Robin appeared in the shooting script of Batman and Batman Returns but was deleted for whatever reason Burton could think of at the time. Burton hated Robin and planned on removing the character from the shooting script before he was fired. Marlon Wayans was cast in the role, but its doubtful if Burton considered the casting as serious. As previously stated, the character would likely be removed as he had been twice previously.
So what would Batman III been like if it was under Tim Burton? So gathering what little information could be obtain, seperating facts and rumors is difficult. Most 'facts' from the web are just speculation by die hard Burton fans.
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I liked what Burton did and I'm very intrested on what his 3rd Batman would have been.
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Dare to dream my friend, Burton forsakened his Batman 3 film when WB let him go, he didn't put up a fight at all to keep on as a director for his 3rd film... Yes WB is to blame as well, but Burton was just tired of it after Returns and was glad that he got to go on to do his other films. It looks like Burton wasn't interested in a third Batman movie when they told him that they were going to go in a different direction (i.e. more "safe, commercial, kid-friendly and marketable") and he just said, "ok, whatever!" and bowed out gracefully. Still whatever Burton's ideas were for his so called Batman 3 will be taken to his grave.
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where did u find concept art for Batman 3? I heard Marlon Wayons did a costume fitting but i don't know if thats true or not.
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I found it here [link] but you must be a member to see everything
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I have to admit he looks quite awesome... anyway, the fail with Schumacher's was that Robin was a young adult living with Bruce Wayne, instead of an orphan child adopted as a son by Wayne and then got grown up.
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I was staring at these designs for a while trying to figure out why they looked so familiar....and I remember seeing them as concept sketches in my "Batman Forever" behind the scenes book as a kid. The one in the middle I remember distinctly looking very "Elvis-ey." Well done all the same! :-D
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that is very fine. from what i heard, there was also gonna be Brad Dourif as Scarecrow, which would have been awesome. but then came schumacer... bummer.
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I know, I planning on doing Burton's Scarecrow soon along side Man-Bat
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great! that would be really awesome. i have ideas for theor designs, you want me to send them to you?
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