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Classic neophobic anachro-wank, ain't it?
The PR Kaiju are far better designed and depicted.
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Either both of you are kids or you have no idea what Godzilla's thing is all about?
Disrespect to Godzilla is disrespect to the kaiju genre, and Guillermo del Toro himself, who also admitted to love Godzilla.
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Godzilla: 50,000 tons
Slattern: 6,750 tons
Kumonga: 30,000 tons
Godzilla was tossing Kumonga about like a ragdoll while Slattern was struggling to lift the 1,850 ton Stryker.
Slattern: Nearly killed by nuke
Godzilla: Tanked a meteor explosion without a scratch
Godzilla: Has breath weapon which can reach escape velocity and can apparently slow down a planet buster to the point where it's a city buster.
Slattern: Has no long range weapon
Conclusion: Godzilla laughs as Slattern attempts to hurt him before tossing him over the horizon
This fight is about as fair as Galactus vs Goku, Discord vs Batman, or Alduin vs Megatron.
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alduin vs megatron? i would sai megatron
the others ... discord would laugh at batman like the joker , and lol galactus vs goku ,galactus eats goku for breakfast
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Alduin is immortal and can only be killed by the Dragonborn. Not that it matters since he could just freeze Megatron solid or blast him with lava level fire
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it depends on what incarnation of megatron are you talking about , even if alduin can only be really killed by the dragonborn it doesnt mean he cannot be defeated , , yes alduin has shouts that can freeze opponents , but megatron is bigger(taller and heavier ) and stronger(physically) than alduin ,also he is faster than alduin ,when he uses his shout megatron woul be in another place , (knowing that a freezing shouts affects only in the direction in front of the user ) , and lava didn't stop megatron in his g1 incarnation (also lasers are hotter than lava , and megatron can resist numerous lasers before being deactivated) but yeah, alduin would reincarnate again if not killed by the dragonborn
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Okay I don't get why some people here are giving too much credit to Slattern. Sure it survived a nuke but it got severely injured. Not to mention it even got overwhelmed by Striker's attacks to the point it called for help from Scunner. While Big-G can easily tank these kinds of attacks and emerge unscathed from a Nuke. He's even fought against super powerful monsters who are so much larger than him like King-Ghidorah and actually managing to give them a fight of their lives, even winning. Yet most of the people here arguing for Slattern, just make the same argument over and over of just because he's bigger and survived a nuke. They are clearly overestimating Slattern and downplaying Godzilla.
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You are not providing any reasoning for why you think Striker's weapons are less effective than a Toho monster's. How are you calculating this?
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Have you ever seen any of these Toho monsters in action? They can dish out far worse than what Striker and Slattern can do. You think those bolts King-Ghidorah shoots are just plain yellow lightning bolts? Those are gravity beams. Have you also seen the Mechagodzillas? They're all heavily armed and put any Jaeger weaponry to shame. Mechagodzilla 2 has the Mega Buster Beam which rivals even Godzilla's atomic ray. Yet it's not it's strongest weapon but the Plasma Grenade. So tell me, what gave you the impression that a pair of blades and some missiles could ever be as dangerous as these abilities I've just mentioned?
Slattern got overwhelmed by a handful of slashes from Striker's blades. Godzilla has taken punishment from all kinds of attacks from these other Toho monsters and yet he can still come back for more. Striker has got missiles and blades, big whup, the Mechagodzillas have missiles as well and the 3rd one even has a drill, Godzilla has taken several hits from them and is still none the worse for wear. Are you trying to tell me Striker's weapons are stronger than Mechagodzilla's and any other Toho monster? Are you also trying to say Striker's blades and missiles are stronger than the Mega Buster, a beam weapon with comparable power to Godzilla's Atomic Ray? Because Godzilla was still able to tank such a weapon what more with just blades and missiles?
The way I look at your arguments you are clearly underestimating the Toho monsters and overestimating the PR ones. I admit the PR Jaegers and Kaiju are strong, but I've seen the Toho ones in action, the PR ones don't have squat on them. Why don't you learn more about these Toho monsters and their fearsome abilities before you question me about power calculating. I won't bother arguing more with you because no matter how many times I will try to explain more to you, I doubt you'll understand.
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I have been a Godzilla fan all my life, and have seen every single movie in the franchise multiple times, thanks.
My reasoning is very simple: PR monsters display durability comparable to Toho monsters(their resistance to conventional weaponry, their ability to tank huge explosions....). PR monsters and jaegers also tear one another apart far more easily than anything from Toho.
Conclusion: PR monsters weaponry is more potent than Toho monster weaponry.
But this debate has already degenerated into ad hominem, like it ALWAYS does, so I will have nothing more to do with it.
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I think Mechgodzilla 2 can treat him like an subkaiju if you ask me.
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Whom are you referring to that MG 2 can treat like a subkaiju? Big G or Slattern? Also which do you think is stronger Gypsy's chest turbine or Big-G's atomic ray?
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Excuse me, but it's Gipsy, not Gypsy. That would be a slur/racist.
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I meant Slattern would be handled like a subkaiju when fighting MG2. In all these PR vs TOHO monsters everyone forgets the massive weight difference. People just throw the weight statistics out the window in these debates because it wouldn't be fair and it'll be pointless.
Also, Heisei and Millenium series have far more powerful atomic blasts! Godzilla is known to use it constantly and a well charged beam would hit most larger monsters from great distances.
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Besides weight we also have to take into account physical strength and durability. Godzilla has shown both to incredible degrees.
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Slattern tanked a nuke, point blank, 1.4 megatons, in the face, *underwater* where the pressure would be hugely magnified.
Only three godzillas have comparable feats, GxM, Final Wars, and IDW.
I don't think godzilla's energy blast is going to be doing much.
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Godzilla tanks blackholes and Ghidorah...Ghidorah in case you dont know has a reputation for annihilating entire hyper advanced worlds and solar systems because he "Was bored" and according to the Mothra twins he destroyed at least two entire GALAXIES because "why the f*ck not?".
Also take a look at who and what Godzilla fights, Planet Killers (King Ghidorah, Destroyah), gods (mothra, battara, megalon), An intergalactic mercenary cyborg (gigan), The most powerful telekinetic/energy using being of all time (spacegodzilla, GMK Ghidorah). Half of those he outright killed or maimed HORRIBLY, the other half he gave such a sound beating they are terrified of him. And then there are the TOHO robots....who if memory serves are no longer an issue or failed do stop him.
Slattern got beat by a barely functioning robot with one arm and a damaged leg....using a large (nuclear) flamethrower.
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You're counting all the Godzillas as one character, when they're not. Each one has a radically different set of strengths and weaknesses.
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You're using feats from multiple different variations of Godzilla who are not linked to one another. The Godzilla from G2K for example, is not interchangeable with Hesei Godzilla.
Only a few godzillas have demonstrated nuke tanking durability.
IDW (Took one to the face with no damage, gained superpowers from it)
GxM (Tanked a black hole)
Final wars (Tanked a meteor)
Showa (is pretty much scaley silver age superman)
The others I believe would almost certainly get incinerated by the nuke, no saving throw, especially miles under water where the blast wave would be *much* stronger*.
And said Nuclear flamethrower, according to spacebattles calculations, was putting out megatons of energy to slow Gypsy down from dropping down from the Mesosphere.
So yeah to kill slattern you need multi-megatons of TNT's worth of fire power.
And you are forgetting that he did pretty much OHKO Striker Eureka when he gave him a serious hit.
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Actually they are linked to each other there was only one part where it split off from the rest in reality they are linked by reincarnations they aren't the same godzilla but they have reincarnated in the same universe, where they have had done their own feats but can still follow up after the next. With all honesty Pacific rim monsters only fought with small life spans as appose to most of the monsters in TOHO who lived longer and fought many more.
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Slattern nuclear resistance was weathered down with that nuke, then a concentrated blast from gipsy finished him. Godzilla 2000 can use omnidirectional blast as while. Slattern is 6'750 tons somewhere, Showa Godzilla is 20'000 and he knows judo, lol. Heisei and later incarnations spams his beams rapidly, and pretty much all nuclear attacks give Godzilla an power up, will most. The new Godzilla coming out next year is going to dwarf Heisei (100m, 60'000tons) and being 120 or 150 meters tall and him being that big is going to amp his weight massively.
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For the most part, I got the impression that PR kaiju had strength and resilience comparable to Toho kaiju, but their weapons did far more damage to one another. Add in Slattern's massive size advantage(Let's ignore the official weight that gives him the density of styrofoam) and I'm gonna have to side with Slattern.
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It's pretty obvious that the makers of PR greatly underestimated the mass of their kaiju (and the jaegers, as well). I'm not going to pretend to be an expert and my math is probably wrong, but I did a few calculations and I've determined that PR kaiju and jaegers should weigh approximately 3.2 times as much as officially listed. For example, Yamarashi ought to be 8,000 Tons of Awesome, not just 2,500.
By the same calculations, Slattern gets bumped up from a "measly" 6,750 tons to a hefty 21,600 tons, which easily puts him in league with at least the smaller incarnations of Godzilla.
While I don't think Slattern would beat Godzilla outright, I do think the Category 5 would give the G-Man a run for his money.
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Which version of Godzilla we go with has to be considered too. Final Wars is obscenely powerful and could probably take every character in the movie if he wanted. I tend to consider Showa the 'default' Godzilla though..... which still presents scaling problems.
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That's true. Godzilla is often shown having abilities or performing feats that border on the contrived and the ridiculous. Half the time it just seems like Toho hired teenage fanfic authors to come up with ideas.
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Godzilla blows Slattern to pieces, no pacific rim Kaiju is outfitted to handle a Toho Kaiju, even tiny little Anguirous could take most of them easy,Slattern thought a nuke going off in his face hurt, Godzilla is a walking nuclear reactor, he'll shred him and eat him for dinner
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Godzilla has this he is well suited in land and water battles and his Marvell comics incarnation is larger than Slattern at 184 meters or 6O3.2 feet he also has a breath weapon which the pacific rim kaiju do not but even the smallest Godzilla would win
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Well, it might depend on their environment. On land, Godzilla has the upper hand since we don't know how well Slattern can fight/move around on land. BUT, if Slattern manages to pull Godzilla into the depths of the oceans, Slattern will get the upper hand in mobility. Godzilla doesn't seem to be well suited for underwater battle. It's not just about brute force or weight/size. It's also about strategy, weaponry, and the environment/battle ground.
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Oh, lets not forget. If you have played Pacific Rim: The Videogame, you can see that Slattern's most powerful attacks are based on electricity (similar to Leatherback). Slattern DOES have a long-range attack, which is a beam of atomized electricity, which is his most powerful attack I believe. Well, it IS probably as powerful as a nuclear bomb. (It's his Fatal Assault move. That move that instantly defeats your opponent.)
And as some of you already mentioned here, only 3 (or was it 4?) forms of Godzilla have the resiliance to survive a nuclear bomb to the kisser. Not to mention that it was underwater, making the force much, much, MUCH more fatal.
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Heisei Godzilla was slamming Battra on the ocean floor and then shifted the tectonic ocean plate, which then opened up into a volcano and swallowed Battra and Godzillla both. Then swam through Earth's mantle back to surface out of a volcano. He was also trapped inside a volcano for five years in a later movie.
If the nuke in PR can do something similar then Slattern chances to tie in with Godzilla is more possible.
Slattern's Electricity beams....watch Gojira vs King Ghidorah or Godzilla Final Wars, GMK or research King Ghidorah.
But now if your going to start calling in gaming feats, then......
Super Godzilla
This mission
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUFUx…
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Ah, thank you for posting that link for me.
But in the video, King Ghidorah's ranged attack is electricity. Slattern's ranged attack is a beam of atomized electricity, which is far more powerful than normal electricity. And the normal electricity did hurt Godzilla (was it Godzilla 2000?)! Then who knows how much damage Godzilla would receive from the atomized electricity? Most likely a LOT.
Also, Slattern (being the tallest/largest PR Kaiju) has a size advantage, and if we ignore Slattern's density, and make him as dense as Godzilla, and also give Slattern the physical capabilites to make things fair... I'd have to side with Slattern.
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...This isn't even a fair fight...GODZILLA WOULD MESS SLATTERN UP IN TWO SECONDS!!!
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Which godzilla? Showa and early hesei are horribly outmatched. Gmk will give slattern the fight of his life but probably lose. Godzilla 2000's breath is strong enough to break the laws of physics, slattern gets owned. Heisei godzilla will win due to his endurance and the spiral ray being strong enough to vaporise moguera. Meltdown godzilla effortlessly stomps due to his out of control power and regeneration. Kiryu godzilla wins due to being able to send kiryu(who weighs 36,000 tons)flying and surviving the AZC. GFW,a.k.a. goku godzilla,destroys slattern with the ability to survive a meteor to the face and send a monster into space within 7 seconds. Actually scratch all I just said. Slattern weighs only 6500 tons right? Good god, godzilla junior is 15,000 tons. If slattern isn't scaled up in weight, then all the godzilla's wreck him by virtue of being able to punt him into space.
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I would say Slattern is around Bagan's level of power.
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There is much to determine bagans true power when it hasn't been on film. and Super godzilla hasn't been on film either which I can assume most of the things that are argued are used because the different takes from movie to video game can be interpreted very differently without any true accurate information to base on since the out come of video games are very situational. But movies lay a more anchored ground. The disappointing thing is realizing how long slattern lasted before he died. He was the first cat 5 but was taken out even less than a day. Godzilla still remains alive longer than godzilla. Also considering weight a log tied by rope hitting a rock tied by rope can end differently, slattern weighs around 6000 tons while godzilla weighs 20,000 tons very hefty difference not forget that he has lifted king ghidorah bigger and heavier than godzilla. The life span of the monsters in the Toho have lasted longer than the ones in PR but that is also considering what incarnation godzilla that is being considered. Slatterns height won't give him much advantage considering biollantes fight. Now if we are talking about Final wars godzilla, he has fought so many more kaijus than slatterns forced suicide Striker Eureka and weakened gypsy danger without a arm and a leg.
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Thank-you for a much more detailed argument!
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bullc**p Bagan is a PLANET KILLER given he is stronger then Ghidorah, who wipes out planets for sh*ts and giggles. Slattern got its arse handed to it by a horrifically damaged robot using a sword and a over-glorified flamethrower.
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Correction: Slattern got nuked and lived that. (One of the reasons I say he could go toe to toe with Godzilla.) He was weakened greatly, but still survived. Gipsy Danger killed it in its weakened state.
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How can you gauge the power of a character who's never even been onscreen?
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From what he's actually been in. Godzilla needed to be Super Godzilla to defeat Bagan.
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Yeah, but that's a turn based videogame. It's difficult to translate the actions from that into actual physics.
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It's not really turn-based. It's more "Go in and Punch, hope they don't use their attack, and attack."
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Slattern is huge, but has no area attack weapons or any beam weapons at all. Godzilla, on the other hand, virtually IS an energy weapon.
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Slattern can electrify his piercing tails and shoot an electric beam. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvLFJ…
Not to mention he can call the other Kaiju for back up.
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Godzilla would fuck this weirdos ass big time.
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