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Published: 2017-07-26 11:24:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 3081; Favourites: 49; Downloads: 10
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Description Yes my two characters Wiesli and Wusli started like this.
On the left you see two rather famous characters, Weasel and Measly from The animals of farthing wood, an anime series from the early 90s which ran over years in Europe in different languages.
In the original book Weasel was a male weasel. It is not revealed if Weasel was meant to be a stoat or ermine or least weasel.
She was just meant to be the "weasel" X3
In the series she is female and later meets a male rather dumb and clumsy but cute weasel named Measly.
In the German dub they both are called Wiesel (German for weasel) and Wusel which is just an odd variation of a fantasy name and has no actual meaning.
Wusel would be pronounced as "woozle" if you want to spell it correctly, try to spell woozle and you got it!
Weasel is a very dominant character and often calls Measly names and blames him for everything, even her own failures.
Back to the species.
When I was a child I asumed weasel is a species but in fact it is only a term for the weasel-like subspecies combined together as you would say, stoats, ferrets, ermines they are all just weasels XD
Because of the missing dark tail tip I asumed they were least weasels but those are really small, just as big as mice, so the weasels in the series are far too big.
In season two there is even a greyish white weasel like character called fitch or polecat, but truely looks like a winter coat ermine since it has a black tail tip.
Anyway, when I was a child I got inspired about the two characters Weasel and Measly and got me to make my own characters, Wiesli and Wusli.
Yes Wiesli and Wusli the guys you know like these:
 
But they once were weasels/ermines.
I did draw them similar to the on the right side portraied characters when i was 10 or something.
My drawing style changed really quickly and my characters looked more and more like foxes or wolves and when i showed other people what I drew, and they only could quess and thought they were not weasels but anything canine like O.o
After YEARS my characters became a hybrid species made of marten and dog or sometimes stoat or beech marten x fox or something.
But their characters remained the same, I mean their personality. Like Weasel and Measly, Wiesli often tends to blame the more silly and clumsy Wusli for almost anything bad happening but different from Weasel, Wiesli is a bit more like Fox, he is intelligent and fair and usually doesn´t blame Wusli for things he never did or caused.
Anyway, it was cool to just try out to draw my old origin characters in the animals of farthing wood style since they once were inspired by these characters and their looks.

Art and Wiesli and Wusli belong to me (C)
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Comments: 64

MrWolf86 In reply to ??? [2017-07-27 21:11:51 +0000 UTC]

XD jap stimmt, ich hab heute noch echt alte Zeichnungen dank der Klinik in Nürnberg die meine alten Zeichnungen auch nach 10 jahren noch in ihren Archiven hatten und ich sie vor ca 8 jahren mal nach Kopien gefragt hab. Die Frau meines Vaters hatte die Bilder damals so gut wie alle einfach weggeworfen. In den alten Bildern sieht man noch etwas mehr die Wieselähnlichkeit XD

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KittyTheColonel In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-29 07:41:45 +0000 UTC]

Ist ja cool dass sie das aufehoben haben Ich habe auch nich fast alle meiner ersten Bilder, die sind in einer Sockenschublede XD
Stimmt, das sieht man bei den beiden da noch wirklich stark

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MrWolf86 In reply to KittyTheColonel [2017-07-29 13:00:21 +0000 UTC]

Ja stimmt, die Bilder haben mir auch immer viel bedeutet. Eigentlich müsste man mal die Bilder fotografieren und dann den heutigen Stand dieser Charaktäre daneben malen und dann kann man den Unterschied wirklich gut sehen X3

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KittyTheColonel In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-30 10:01:29 +0000 UTC]

Das habe ich bis jetzt nur ein Mal gemacht... und zwar hier: The Difference is Real
Kitty hat sich schon etwas verändert. Auf ihrem allerersten Bild hatte sie auch ncoh andere Haare, sie waren viel zerzauster xD Und ihr einfaches Kleid wurde zu einem eher frechen, freizügigen outfit. Dadurch dass ich aus einem maskottchen drei gemacht habe hat sich natürlich auch ihr Charakter verschoben :') Ich müsste meine anderen maskottchen mal hochladen. Den 3. hab cih ncoh nie auf dA hochgeladen...

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MrWolf86 In reply to KittyTheColonel [2017-07-30 13:21:16 +0000 UTC]

Und da liegen nur 2 jahre dazwischen O.o
Das erste sieht echt lustig aus, aber auch sehr simpel. Das zwiete sieht richtig cool aus, also man sieht schon das in der Ausarbeitung des Bildes ja schon viel mehr Mühe drin steckt.
Okay, ich mach sowas auch mal, aber erst irgendwann in der Woche, ich hab nen paar Commissions die ich erstmal machen muss.
Die Charaktereigenschaften und das grunddesign meiner beiden hat sich nie verändert. Eigentlich nur die Spezies und das beide Brüder sind, früher waren die nur Freunde aber die Leute dachte das sind Männchen und Weibchen und Wusli wäre schwanger XD Oder die beiden wären schwul nachdem ich gesagt hab das es beides männliche Tiere sind 9_9
Das nervt mich auch immer so, die menschen müssen in alles immer was sexuelles rein interpretieren D:

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KittyTheColonel In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-08-05 09:26:28 +0000 UTC]

Es macht wirklich Spaß das zu machen. Auch wenn man sich doch ziemlich selbst auslacht wen man die alten Bilder sieht... xD Steht ja auch ind er description drin. Stabilizer? What's a stabilizer? xD Und alles auf eine Ebene geklatscht habe ich auch... :'D Das war halt mein ALLERERSTER versuch irgendwas mti dem Tablet zu machen. ich hab es gekauft, Paint tool SAI runtergeladen und das da "kreiert" xD Meine ersten digitalen Anfänge.
Haha xD Leute shippen Charaktere ziemlich schnell. Mache ich auch, allerdings niemals mit Characteren anderer Künstler. Und wenn doch sage cih das denen nicht, weil es vielen unangenehm ist. Meist mache ichd as auch sowieso nur mit Videospielcharakteren. Ich weiß noch wie unangenehm es für mich war als jemand meinte er würde Kitty mit Akuma (dem Maskottchen meiner bf) shippen. War für uns beide strange, da Kitty eigentlich mich personifiziert und Akuma meine BF. Ich meine das sind songar undere reallife Spitznamen geworden. Die Person hat also angedeutet, dass er mich mti meiner BF shipt... naja.
Es gibt einfach Charaktere, besonders Maskottchen, die man eher nicht shippen sollte. Ich finde auch bei meinen Maskottchen die Besziehungen interessant - die 3 sind fast wie eine kleine Familie, wie Geschwister.
Ich müsste sie wirklich mal hochladen. :')

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MrWolf86 In reply to KittyTheColonel [2017-08-05 16:35:31 +0000 UTC]

Ich muss das auch mal machen. Denke ich mach das mal die kommende Woche.
Da ist nix großes geplant.
Muss mir nur mal ein gutes Bild aussuchen.
Was genau ist shippen eigentlich?
Wenn ich das richtig verstehe sieht man da 2 Charaktäre als Paar? Also sexuell oder romantisch?
Vielleicht machen das manche einfach so ohne sich mehr dabei zu denken, schließlich kennen die die Charas ja net wirklich, sehen die nur in diversen Bildern und das wars.
Ich fänd es auch komisch wenn man meine Fursona mit nem anderen Char shipped wenn es tatsächlich sowas bedeutet. Mein Char ist a-sexuell und sieht in anderen nichts romantisches.
Es kann allerhöchstens eine freundschaftliche Liebe sein aber wenn der andere Char da was sexuelles erwarten würde, würde meinem Char das echt angst machen.

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KittyTheColonel In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-08-07 09:21:01 +0000 UTC]

Ja, "shippen" bedeutet einfach dass man ein Fan von einem Pärchen ist. Aka wenn du 2 Chars shippst, willst du halt dass sie zusammen sind. Muss nicht unbedingt in einem sexuellen Licht sein, auch wennd as bei vielen Leuten eher der Fall ist. Man kann auch Pärchen shippen die schon existieren, das bedeutet dann halt einfach dass man ein Fan davon ist. Wenn man 2 Chars shippt, mag man normalerweise auch Fanarts und Fanfcitions von dem Pärchen sehen/lesen. Daraus entstehen oft auch solche Fanarts und Fanfictions.
In dem Fall habe ich der Person aber schon mehrmals gesagt dass es mir unangenehm ist wenn sie meine Persona shippen... naja, manche Leute hören einfach nicht zu. Oder wollen nicht zuhören.

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MrWolf86 In reply to KittyTheColonel [2017-08-07 12:11:35 +0000 UTC]

Wollen nicht, weil sie denken das ist das Internet und im Internet kann man sich nicht schützen wenn man seine Chars so postet das jeder an sie ran kommt.
Darüber muss man sich bewusst sein. Du kannst sagen, du willst es nicht, aber wenn sie es trotzdem machen, oder dich noch damit nerven, dann block sie halt, sie ist dann selber schuld man sieht das sie nicht mal an dich denkt, die Person die den geliebten Char noch verkörpert, sondern nur den Char selbst der in deren augen vielleicht ne ganz andere mehr fantasivolle Bedeutung hat. Ich sehe auch manchmal charaktäre die ich toll finde und mir wer weiß was für eine Persönlichkeit dazu vorstelle aber dann sehe das der Char jemand ganz anderes darstellt, aber ich gehe nicht hin und mach da was draus, ich hab ja meine eigenen Charaktäre X3

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KittyTheColonel In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-08-16 20:36:23 +0000 UTC]

Ja ich mach das auch so. Ich würde die die Chars anderer Künstler anfassen. Schon gar nciht Personas, und wenn sie noch so sexy sind.
Ich mach höchstens einen eigenen Char der entweder etwas dem Aussehen ähnelt oder einem Teil der Persönlichkeit. Ich arbeite an so was aber dann auch recht lange weil cih sicherstellen will dass cih keine Kopie mache. Das will ich nicht und der andere Künstler sicher auch nicht. :')

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MrWolf86 In reply to KittyTheColonel [2017-08-17 09:32:27 +0000 UTC]

Ja das stimmt, das geht mir auch so.
Finde inspiration ist okay, ein Char kann einem anderen ähnlich sehen weil ähnliche Farben oder das gleiche Farbschema, oder sogar ähnliche Markings aber solange man sieht das es unterschiedliche Charaktäre sind ist es okay. Die Leute die sich die Chars selber mal gemacht haben, haben die Idee auch irgendwo her gehabt, sie können kaum sagen es ist ihre pure eigensgemachte Idee, weil alles irgendwo abgeschaut ist, wenn auch von ner Blume oder sonst was.

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DrStoat10 [2017-07-26 20:20:22 +0000 UTC]

Huh, "Animals of Farthing Wood" sounds like my type to me considering that I usually read animal-based novels such as "Redwall" or "Mouseheart". I need to read it sometime.
Once again, it's always nice to read the stories behind people's characters and it seems like you took a lot of inspiration from other things to help you build up your character's appearance and personality. What usually bothers me though is when people refer to an animal or character as a 'weasel' even though it's clearly a ferret or stoat. While it's usually used in a general term, 'weasel' usually implies that the animal is a least weasel, which it commonly just called a weasel for short. In the "Redwall" series, for example, the vermin characters were mostly made up of animals of these species: weasels, stoats, ferrets, and foxes- with 'weasels' being used in terms of the least weasel. Another thing that gets on my nerves is when [least] weasel characters are drawn as stoats or long-tailed weasels by fans which bothers me because that's like fans drawing a tanuki character as a raccoon. Similar appearance- totally different species. An honest mistake tbh but ones I feel should be cleared up a bit.
One thing I'll note about your characters is that while they have short, black-tipped tails like a stoat they have a yellowish underbelly which is a characteristic that applies to a different but simular looking animal: the long-tail weasel. I assume, though, that that is just from their canine genetics and in that case, it works. Sorry for the little rant in the past paragraph, but it was something I really needed to get off my chest and there's not a lot of people who were understand my views on such things since mustelids aren't very well-known animals. 

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MrWolf86 In reply to DrStoat10 [2017-07-26 20:39:56 +0000 UTC]

Sadly they are not, indeed. maybe people who know them see them as bad sneaky vermin pest or something.
The reason why my "weasels" have cream colored bellies is because the farthing wood weasels and the weasels from the Roger rabbit movie have too. I know the ermine and the least weasel have both white bellies when the long tailed weasel (which seems to be only located in America) can have yellow/creamy colored bellyside too, or white, depends. They come also with a face mask sometimes which is uncommon for stoats or ermines.
I wonder if stoat and ermine are the same since both have short and black tipped tails and turn white in winter.
So basically from your logic the farthing wood weasels are least weasels, but then they are depicted totally wrong. Those have reddish brown fur with clear white lower side and they are a LOT smaller too. In some episodes the weasel is nearly as big as a cat but definitely always as big is the rabbits.

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DrStoat10 In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:53:27 +0000 UTC]

The stoat and the ermine are the same species with both sharing the same genus and species name: Mustela Erminea. The term 'ermine' is commonly used to describe a stoat in its winter coat though most people just use it interchangeably with 'stoat'. Most animations and toons seem to totally screw up their sizes since both least weasels and stoats are MUCH smaller than rabbits irl. I assume from a character designer and animator's point of view that the reason is to make these characters appear more 'threatening' though I personally feel that keeping their height true to the actual weasel's size would convey that feel much more efficiently. What makes a weasel so 'threatening' is their intelligence and ability to kill efficiently DESPITE their size so there's not much reason needed to make these animals any larger than what they already are. 

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MrWolf86 In reply to DrStoat10 [2017-07-26 20:58:53 +0000 UTC]

That is true and a good logical point.
Oh by the way i found a weasel thing which kinda looks like a hybrid of a least weasel and a long tailed weasel:
www.featheredphotography.com/b…
I cannot say what it is. The body, color and marking look like long tailed weasel but the tail misses the black tip.
The photographer doesn´t seem to know either and it was taken in Idaho or so. Maybe it is missing the tail tip or so and it was bit of by another animal.
My wiesli and wusli would today probably be a hybrid of pine marten (the colors match pretty well there) and a coyote. Wiesli has definitely a coyote father.
Wusli is only his half brother and so I more see a dog being Wusli's dad but not sure which breed.

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DrStoat10 In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 21:50:11 +0000 UTC]

I would say it was a subspecies of least weasel, but the creamy underbelly suggests otherwise. I would think it very uncommon for a least weasel and a long tailed weasel to engage in breeding, and I'm not sure if their genetics are similar enough to produce progeny. I'm not quite sure what kind of mustela it is quite frankly so I can't be of much help with that.
As for the wiesli and wusli, they do look quite the bit like both animals as it's not uncommon for a coyote to have a darker tip at the tail.

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MrWolf86 In reply to DrStoat10 [2017-07-27 07:52:20 +0000 UTC]

Yeah and a brighter belly side and coyotes come in various colors too.
For the photo, I think it is a long tailed weasel which eventually lost the part of the tail in a fight or something, that could happen any time because these animals have many enemies and are good fighters too.

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DrStoat10 In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-27 16:50:56 +0000 UTC]

That would make sense.

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RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 19:50:14 +0000 UTC]

Why didn't this show air in the US?

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:11:17 +0000 UTC]

From some people I knew it did, they even dubbed it in American English but maybe it did not air when you had a chance to watch TV.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:15:41 +0000 UTC]

Nope, never heard of it until I got internet and started talking to people from other countries. I have a friend (my "boyfriend" according to my brother) who lives in South Africa, I wonder if it ever aired there....but then South Africa didn't get television until 1976 and my "boyfriend" was born in 1973.

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:29:35 +0000 UTC]

He may know it when they have European TV there or get series from other countries and don´t have their own.
The animals of farthing wood was a kid's anime from 1993 so it could be possible they got it some time later.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:42:52 +0000 UTC]

Was it because there was no way to broadcast them all over the world like today. Peppa Pig is EVERYWHERE. 

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:53:55 +0000 UTC]

Who is Peppa Pig? O.o

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 21:17:13 +0000 UTC]

Some show for babies that's EVERYWHERE here. It's originally from England.

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-27 07:53:48 +0000 UTC]

I never heard of it but I am not into the new TV shows either. I think the newest I ever watched was Gravity Falls and i only watched it because there is a guy named Stan.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-27 13:05:52 +0000 UTC]

I've never watched it either, I just see her ugly face on everything.

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-27 14:49:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh okay but that must suck.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-27 15:09:56 +0000 UTC]

It does. I did watch an episode to see what all the hubabaloo was about and its just a cartoon about poorly drawn anthro animals for babies.

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-27 21:17:40 +0000 UTC]

That sounds rather boring.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-27 21:37:45 +0000 UTC]

It is.

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RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 19:49:30 +0000 UTC]

 I hate people who don't understand (or at least aren't willing to learn) that "weasel" or "mongoose" aren't actual species but terms.  It drives me crazy if someone has a character and just describes it as a "mongoose", or "weasel" and do not specify what kind of weasel or mongoose and when I ask them what type of weasel or or mongoose, they just say, "weasel" or "moongoose".  They might as well call them "mammal" or "animal".

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:10:38 +0000 UTC]

LOL maybe, but I also know many people mistake weasel like animals with rodents. Like if they would have rodent teeth. In one episode they kinda gave Weasel and Measly rodent teeth like rats when in most scenes they have the teeth shown you see they have predator teeth.
In the third series they kinda had a new animation studio and there the animals have more human like/anthropomorph face expressions but also kinda more human like teeth which looks seriously odd on weasels O.o
I think they did that to make them look more harmless than they are, remember weasels kill other animals but in season 3 they only beat the rats up and don´t kill them as they should and they do not really hunt either or at least we do not see it.
In season 1 and 2 you can at least see typical weasel behavior, there they also still walk on 4 legs as they usually do and only sometimes on their hind feet.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:16:34 +0000 UTC]

I see birds with human teeth in animation. It's really weird because birds don't have teeth. 

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:27:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah that is true. I think in animals of farthing wood they never have teeth.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:40:35 +0000 UTC]

Just as weird as boobs on birds

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-26 20:53:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah indeed, that´s something I find weird too XD

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 21:21:11 +0000 UTC]

I once saw boobs on a bird in a cartoon aimed at preschoolers. Guess the animators didn't know proper anatomy. It's mostly aimed at teaching kids how to care for their teeth. 

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MrWolf86 In reply to RensMeerkat [2017-07-27 07:52:58 +0000 UTC]

I guess it is easier for humans to see if something is female when it has boobs.

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RensMeerkat In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-27 13:06:11 +0000 UTC]

Probably

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Patchi1995 [2017-07-26 19:23:21 +0000 UTC]

I remember The Animals of Farthing Wood, which this movie was Journey Home with The Animals of Farthing Wood, when I was a 3-year old cub, before me and my family moved from California to Washington. Unlike the original series, which Fox, Adder, and Weasel are British, like all characters, this movie was American, but still takes place in England, that Fox, Adder, and Weasel for example had more American accents in this movie.

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MrWolf86 In reply to Patchi1995 [2017-07-26 20:05:52 +0000 UTC]

I guess they dubbed it with American voice actors then. I never knew it ever was dubbed for US audience because mostly when I talk with US people about it, they never heard of the series.

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Patchi1995 In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 20:08:22 +0000 UTC]

Yeah probably.

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Haunted-dark-Umbreon [2017-07-26 18:07:18 +0000 UTC]

The animal of farthing wood

I think i own a old movie called that :') and there's a fox, and a badger-

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MrWolf86 In reply to Haunted-dark-Umbreon [2017-07-26 18:10:17 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it is a series, not just a movie X3
Fox and Badger are one of the main characters of season 1 and season 2.

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Haunted-dark-Umbreon In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 18:25:46 +0000 UTC]

I never knew this!!!!
MY CHILD HOOD HAS BEEN REUNITED!

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MrWolf86 In reply to Haunted-dark-Umbreon [2017-07-26 20:02:10 +0000 UTC]

I think you can easily look it up on youtube.

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Silvolf [2017-07-26 14:55:48 +0000 UTC]

Its nice to see them together like this! I have the box set of Animals of Farthing Wood. Unpopular opinion but I preferred the animation style of the third series to the first two.

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MrWolf86 In reply to Silvolf [2017-07-26 16:13:58 +0000 UTC]

The third one definitely had a better mimique or facial expression outwork, but on some parts, I liked the second season most when it came to how they drew the foxes, especially Bold and his sister, dunno her English name right now.
The thing I missed a bit in the 3. season was the serious touch to the story. In the 3. season there are many funny scenes when things were not meant to be funny, like when the wild cats attacked, or the fight and haggle with the rats. They kinda made it into a fun thing when the problem was quite serious and dangerous.
The first two seasons kinda appealed more to adults or older kids and youth, you see blood or even dead and killed animals here, it showed the problems the animals have how they really are and not in a humorous way which i found pretty good. I do not say the 3. season is bad because of this, but I find it sad they kinda changed this here when it would have been better to continue as it was used to be.

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Silvolf In reply to MrWolf86 [2017-07-26 16:35:05 +0000 UTC]

Yes I'm not sure why they changed the style in season 3. Did you ever see Noah's Island? It was made by the same company with the same voice actors and in the same style and I believe they did the same thing with the style too. The first two seasons were far more serious, you have a good point there. I just liked the exagerrated animation style, since that is what I try to model my animations on when I make them.

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