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Naeddyr — Finnish morphosem. script I
Published: 2009-02-20 18:47:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 10655; Favourites: 89; Downloads: 174
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The first batch of glyphs for the Great Finnish Morphosemantic Script project I relaunched recently.Related content
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you are making a logographic writing system for Finnish? OuO
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I should get back to working on this again... Or at least document what I've got, man.
Check this one out:
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I made it, I made it. There are no real-life Finnish ideograms/pictograms.
If you're interested in the project more, there's naeddyr.deviantart.com/art/Upd…
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This is a beautiful logographic writing system. The characters are graceful but yet the strokes are practical.
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this is really really reallly good. Style and presentation beautiful
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Have you checked further developments?
naeddyr.deviantart.com/art/Upd…
Also, thanks for reminding that I should some day get back to working on this.
But there are still many years ahead...
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En edes tiennyt että meillä on ollut tällaista kirjoitusta... xd Näyttää kyllä siistiltä.
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Ei ei, ei meillä ole ollu! Tää on mun omasta päästä.
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Noniin, sen siitä saa kun kirjottaa miettimättä yhtään tarkemmin. Hyvä minä. Arvelinkin että on outoa kun en ole kuullut tästä.
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Noh, otan sen kohteliaisuutena...
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looks cool, if Finnish didn't already use Latin script this would be awesome for the lang
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Thanks for the fave. 
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Suuri suomalainen Morphosemantic on aina mahtava!
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Where can I read more about this project? I'm not sure what its background is, or purpose (but it looks really interesting) Thanks!
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Check out the archives of my blog at naeddyr.wordpress.com
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i like it very much. i'll probably have many questions concerning it, but i'll start with one - what's the etymology of the gliph for negation verb? my guess is that "a bird is _not_ a fish".
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Haha! Yes! Or "fish don't fly".
I've recently remade a lot of glyphs, though, and the bird-fish glyph is one that ended up on the chopping block. Can't recall what the current one is like.
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Osa noist merkeist näyttää ihan japanilaisilt kanji -merkeilt.
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Jep, tuollaista muotojen yhteenlankeamista ei voi estää; eikä minusta pidä pyrkiäkään estämään, koska jokainen conscriptiprojekti on omansalainen. Jos sattuu olemaan niin, että on yksi, hyvin yksinkertainen ja universaali tapa piirtää vaikka käärme, niin kuka voi moittia jos sitä muotoa käyttää?
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Emmä mitään kritisoi, vaan meinaan sitä, että suomen ja japanin välil on jo muutenkin niin monta yhtäläisyyttä.
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Heh, joo, mutta en usko, että jos olisin alkanut tehdä tätä skriptiä jollekin toiselle kielelle niin noista merkeistä olisi jotenkin tullut vähemmän Japanilaisia/Kiinalaisia ulkonäöltään.
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Miten ajattelit muun järjestelmän? Käsitteitä kuvaavat merkit ovat ihan hyvä idea, mutta miten ajattelit niitten taivuttamisen ja muun käytön? Ajattelitko käyttää täysin tän tyylisist merkeist koostuvaa järjetelmää, vai jotain kirjaimiakin mukaan? Vähän niinkun japanilaisten kanji+kana järjestelmä?
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Koko järjestelmä on morfeeminen, eli siis glyyfit merkkaavat morfeemeja. Morfeemi on kielitieteessä esiintyvä käsite, joka tarkoittaa pienintä merkitystä kantavaa äänteellistä (tai rakenteellista) muotoa. "Kala" on morfeemi, koska se on muoto jolla on merkitys, eikä sitä voi jakaa: -t on morfeemi, koska sillä on merkitys etc. "Kalat" on kaksi morfeemia yhdessä sanassa.
Tässä kirjoitusjärjestelmässä, kaikki kirjoitetaan merkein (tai merkkijonoin), jotka viittavat morfeemeihin. Enemmän tieto löytyy mun blogista, [link] , josta löytyy uusimmat update:t. Eli siis partitiivi merkitään yhdellä merkillä, ja akkusatiivi toisella ja genetiivi kolmannella... Ja tuo toimii, koska tämä järjestelmä on kielen historiaan perustuva. Suomen kielen esikielissä akkusatiivi ja genetiivi olivat kaksi erillistä päätettä: akkusatiivi oli -m, ja genetiivi -n. Mutta kun suomessa kaikki sananloppuiset m:ät muuttuivat n:iksi (huomaat tämän esim. sanassa SYDÄN, jonka taivutusmuoto on SYDÄME-), nämä kaksi muotoa lankesivat yhteen muotoon jota me kutsumme genetiiviksi.
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So the bottom one's are the original characters, the middle ones newer ones, and the top ones modern? Why is there two versions of some characters? The hand glyph is way cool, and the death glyph is morbidly funny! Oh, and lols on the man and woman.
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Yeah, the bottom ones are the oldest. The two other versions are just because I made the "modern" versions to make the "drawn" ones, so I just put them both.
There are two versions of some of the glyphs because I came up with two versions that I liked, and that particular glyph seems likely to have many forms (very common glyphs for example), so it's pretty random.
Side-note, this version is pretty old, I've worked quite a lot on other stuff related to this script, and there is a blog dedicated to it at [link] this address. Of course, now that I'm going to graduate, I probably won't get much done again.
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Oh yeah, from what I've seen on ZBB, Chinese seems to be full of that.
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By the way, while some of the morphemes have monosyllabic names, others don't. Is that intentional and some morphemes show full words only, or do they all represent certain syllables and are simply not named?
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I'm a bit confused here, so I'm going to try to figure out our baseline. A morpheme is a unit of meaning: it does not matter how long it is. Ok, that is now out of the way, and I think you mean that why are some of the words full words, and others are marked with -? That's mostly random, but generally, when written with a - here, I wanted to emphasize that the glyph represents a root, a morpheme, and not the whole word. In Finnish, the "dictionary form" of a verb is two morphemes, the root and the infinitive ending -a/-ta/-da. All verbs here are written without the -a, but there are no Finnish words that correspond to the directly. Nouns are usually written fully because there is no "nominative" ending (it's a 'zero' morpheme), and thus the root and the noun's "dictionary form" are often the same... Except when they aren't because of sound-changes that have effect the ends of words. Finnish "vesi" is the nominative word form. There is no ending. But the stem-form is vete-: in old Finnish, the vowel /e/ at the end of a word turned into an /i/, and then later, the consonant /t/ before the /i/ turned into /s/.
Something tangentially related to your question about word length: in Finnish, most native roots are disyllabic or monosyllabic. In Proto-Uralic, from which Finnish is descended, the reconstructed form of words was that roots were disyllabic (with very few monosyllabic roots). Most Finnish monosyllabic words are, if you care to check, with long vowels because the original word lost a consonant between two vowels, etc.
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While your answer was not exactly what I was asking for, it was very interesting to read about the Finnish grammar - thanks!
What I was asking was whether you intend to make this writing system a syllabary (I believe that is the correct term, i.e. it means that each symbol represents a syllable rather than a full word) or a semanto-phonetic system, i.e. with each symbol representing a whole word. I understand that you are making the second one, aren't you?
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Neither, it's a morphemic system. As said, a morpheme is the smallest unit of information, constructed out of phonemes. The word "cat" is a morpheme, as is the plural suffix "s", and the word "cats" is thus two morphemes. So basically, each glyph will represent a stem or a suffix (and some will represent whole words if there are no suffixes in the word).
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I really like how you should how they formed. MMmmm... stuff. *thumbs up*
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Whoa, quite a nice script. You just entered my list of talented conscripters. I hope to see a sample of it in use.
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What, Eddy, I wasn't on that list already?
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Well, I hadn't seen many of your other scripts.
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That is an instant Favourite! lol. I love the occasional similarites with the Chinese Scrips, such as those for the words "Animal", Though, and "Fire", Though! It is great! I love it! <3 lol! 
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Thanks! If I can keep it up, there's a couple of thousand more to come.
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lol. haha! I hope that you can do it then! I would love to seem them all finished ff though!
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