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Assalaamu alaikum [peace be to you],
Got faith?The nature of religious faith is quite mysterious. As part of their religious faiths, people believe in a variety of deities. There are people who have religious faith in the unseen supreme transcendental power and then there are others who believe in some humans as Gods, animals, fire, idols made of stone, and the list goes on...
A lot is associated with having a religious “faith”. Part of it has to do with beliefs passed on through generations. People’s identities therefore get tied to it. Many times, these beliefs and associated feelings are not completely demonstrable by reason or any rational arguments. There is nothing right or wrong with this but that’s just how the nature of religious faith has come to be.
Everyone thinks they are right in their faith and beliefs. Being with people and groups with similar faiths further strengthens people’s faiths and they see it as “right” even though logical reasoning and argument sometimes can’t explain it all. That’s human psychology.
Islam offers Arguments based on intellectual reasoningMuslims believe however, that the Islamic religion is different in this context. One may argue that similar to other faiths there are aspects of it which are not completely demonstrable by reason. but on the other hand, the Qur'anic text, which is Allah’s words addressing the humanity at large, uses intellectual reason, critical thinking, and the process of reflection as a means to not only reinforce the faith of the believers but also to call non-believers to ponder about the authenticity of Islam as the way of life for the humanity at large. Although no religious beliefs can be fully based on logic and reasoning, Islam and the Qur'an provide more than enough examples and an opportunity to examine the truth and the soundness of its message through the lens of empirical evidence and knowledge.
No one (Muslim or otherwise) would argue that critical thinking and reflection can be a major catalyst for changing of ones life. Critical thinking has been used by many to improve their lives simply because a critical thinker asks probing questions about a situation, collects as much information as possible, reflects on the ideas collected and generated in context of the information available, keeps an open and unbiased mind and carefully scrutinizes assumptions and seeks alternatives.
This is the reason therefore that new Muslim converts would attribute the use of intelligent reasoning, reflection and critical thinking when explaining their journey to Islam. Such people cut through the hysteria created by some in the media to view Islam from a critical lens and following the truth thus comes naturally to them as part of this process. How else can one explain the increase in conversions with the increase of anti-Islam rhetoric? How else can one explain that more non-Muslim preachers have been converting to Islam than ever before? Although as Muslims we believe that the guidance (هداية hidaya) comes only from Allah, the use of a person’s God-gifted intellectual reasoning has a very powerful role to play in Muslim converts making that destiny changing decision. And once converted, they rarely go back to their old faiths simply because a faith whose foundations are built on logic and reason is much less likely to be shaken down than one which builds simply upon faith alone, a set of rites and sacraments.
Next, I am going to provide some of the most common reasons of converting to Islam attributed by new Converts.
To be continued, in sha'Allah [God willing]
from [link]
In the drawing: the big green Arabic word "الإسلام" means "Islam", the white Arabic text " دين الحجة و البرهان" means "the way (or religion) of evidence and proof".
For more reading:
if you want to know more about Islam, please visit these websites:
A Quick Introduction To Islam Another Introduction to Islam Seven Common Questions about Islam I hope that was beneficial for you.
Wassalaamu alaikum.
If I am right, it's from The God, if wrong, it's from me...
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Question, so the words "Flagged as Spam" are under my comment... That's not saying my comment is spam is it? It's referring to a comment that used to be there, but now it's not, right?
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yes. when a comment is flagged as spam it will be hidden. if you can see your comment then it's not flagged as spam.
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alright, thanks for the info.
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Thank you for this poster. It really helped me just now. Thank you.
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I find this increadibly laughable, if any of this is remotely true show me the peer reviewed article of this. I want one thats accepted by real scientific publications.
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"I find this increadibly laughable"
the disbelievers always laugh at the believers. this is their way. it doesn't bother us. but, By Allah, laughs a lot whoever laughs last.
"if any of this is remotely true show me the peer reviewed article of this. I want one thats accepted by real scientific publications."
by "real scientific publications" I guess you mean "Atheist" publications. I'm sorry to disappoint you that you won't find the truth about the God Almighty in such publications. these publications have no authority whatsoever.
First, if you're open minded, you need to look for the truth everywhere. not limit yourself to only ONE source.
Second, you seem the kind who doesn't use his own rational potential but instead accepts what's in scientific publications as truth. this is dangerous because scientists do make a lot of mistakes and our science is often wrong. putting your whole trust on these publications without trying to reason by yourself to find the truth will keep you inside your box. man, you got intellect. use it!
I'm an unbiased rational person. I'm ready to listen and consider any argument, whether it comes from a famous Phd scientist or from an illiterate person. I consider the argument rationally and with common sense. if it makes perfect sense, I accept it. It doesn't have to be published in a scientific magazine or approved by so and so. I use my own brain and I don't trust the brains of others.
You can do like me, or you can insist that you won't consider anything unless it appears in your favorite magazine. by the way, everybody knows that the magazines are managed by certain people and they won't publish what displeases them even if it's the truth.
food for thought, my friend...
peace
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You're one of the oddest people who come to my page to argue. instead of reading the articles and arguments and judging them with your own intellect and reason, you ask me to publish them in your favorite magazine first so that others do the thinking and the judging and you just accept whatever they tell you. what kind of blind belief you have in those magazine? man, you gotta use your own brain!
and on top of that, you call me a liar, not because I lied, but because I didn't do things in your way. what nonsense!
So you can't avoid that, if you don't send it in to a peer reviewed source you passively admit it's bullshit.
you know what? believe whatever you want to believe. I already told you I can't send work of other authors under my name. if stealing is fine with your non-belief, in my belief it's not fine. and we are taught not to do it.
You aim to misinform, none of those things are true or relevant.
I don't aim to misinform. you aim to misinform and spread your disbelief on a believer's page. I only aim to present the truth and allow people to consider something they might have ignored before. I don't force people to believe. I don't go to atheists page and bother them. I only present the truth in my own page. The truth that comes from the God almighty doesn't need approval from a scientific magazine made by man.
now if you want to read these articles in my page and consider them, be my guest. if you only read and believe what's published in your favorite magazine and come here to turn around your nonsensical argument, then I'm afraid I have no interest in this fruitless discussion.
may the God guide you and correct your thinking.
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Allah increases the belief of the people who believe, and decreases the belief of the people who disbelieve.
So believe, so your knowledge of Allah's existence increases!
If your an Atheist, ask yourself, what is there to lose?
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and decreases the belief of the people who disbelieve.
Well, I believe Allah almighty doesn't decrease their belief. it's THEM who decrease it by rejecting the truth and insisting on rejecting it.
If your an Atheist, ask yourself, what is there to lose?
One time, I had a discussion with an Atheist and I told them "let's take both cases (1- the atheist is right and there is no god, and 2- the atheist is wrong and there is a God) and let's see in both cases who will be the loser." but the Atheist didn't want to even consider the case where they are wrong. when someone decides to shun the opposite option, they can never realize if they are wrong or not...
let's just pray to Allah to guide these people and allow them to see the truth.
Wassalaamu alaikum.
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InSha'Allah, I 100% agree.
Let us pray, because there are many people in my life that I want for them to find Allah.
Ameen.
Wa'Alaykum Assalam.
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al slamo alykom wa rahamot ALLAHE wa brkatoh
MASHALLAH MASHALLAH MASHALLAH
very very very impressive and nice words my big bro
thank you very much for the hardest work
^______________^
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How do you come up with all these pretty hijab scarfs!?!?!?!?
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look up IRanian and UAE women, you will see very similar hijabs. The stereotype of women seems to come from Saudi Arabia, where they are required to cover up completely.
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Iranian and Emirati women don't wear similar hijab at all? Iranian women were the chador (with multiple varieties, both conservative and rural) and women in the UAE wear the shayla. In Saudi Arabia women are only required to wear the abaya, everything else is optional.
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I was trying to say that they weren't in prison chains like the Saudis
I only get a limited number of characters to type on my phone, gimme a break
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._. yh ur still saying the same thing and my answer remains the same???
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yes and no. I said similar, not identical.
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loook
(1) You said that Iranian and Emirati women wear similar hijab styles and it's not similar? The Iranian chador (and its multiple varieties) is very long and covers the entire body, whereas the Emirati shayla only covers the head? Unless you're talking about the fashionista style popular in Tehran and Northern Iran which then would be somewhat similar but then also the Northern Iranian style doesn't use an abaya unlike the Gulf in which virtually every woman in the gulf wears some form of an abaya. You say the stereotype seems to come from Saudi Arabia where women are "required to cover up completely" -- this statement isn't true -- Saudi women are only required to wear the abaya, the shayla and/or niqab is entirely optional. In fact, there are more similarities between Saudi and Emirati styles than Emirati and Iranian, considering that Emirati and Saudi styles are both Gulf Arab influenced whereas Iran has a completely different history in terms of fashion and observance of Islam.
(2) In your second comment you say that Iranian and Emirati women aren't in "prison chains like Saudis" which I'm assuming is a metaphor but nonetheless this is also wrong as Iran is in a really bad governmental policy right now and women are pretty much required to cover up -- there may be some wiggle room in how they cover up but they are required by law nonetheless and even have a fashion police to enforce these laws. This isn't to say that the hijab itself is oppressive or that some Iranian women don't choose/enjoy wearing the hijab, but it's not really an option for Iranian women, UNLIKE Emirati and Saudi women who have a choice in the matter.
(3) You say you have a limited amount of characters -- that's fine, I'm not attacking your deliverence of information; I'm addressing what you said.
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نَعَمْ نَعَمْ دِيْنُ اَلْحُجَةِ وَ اَلْبُرْهَاْنْ مَعَكَ حَقٌ فِيْ ذَلِكَ
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Awww, her hijab is soo cute! I love pink. I need to get a pink scarf, I think
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Ah, so you're allowing critical thinking. Explain why a loving God needs an eternal hell.
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did you read the whole article?
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Yup, nothing about Hell. Come on now if your religion is based on rational thinking and logic then you should be able to explain the purpose of eternal Hell.
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first, thank you for asking me about my religion. your question shows sincere interest from your side to hear the others and this deserves respect from me.
now regarding why did the God create Hell.
Everyone will agree that the enactment of punishments for crimes is indeed from justice and mercy. If there were no judicial authorities, courts, prosecutions, police and the laws, the crimes and the hostile acts would spread all over the earth and human life will be disturbed.
Allah said in the Qur'an:
وَلِلَّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ لِيَجْزِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسَاءُوا بِمَا عَمِلُوا وَيَجْزِيَ الَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا بِالْحُسْنَى
And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with [the penalty of] what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best [reward]
translation of 53:31
and:
وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاعِبِينَ
And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.
translation of 21:16
The God Almighty is the Wisest of the judges. to him belongs all that's created. and he certainly didn’t create this whole world in vain. He created the world in order an for a purpose. and he put man as a keeper of that order. he gave man the manual to help him live the best way of life. The God wants to be worshiped by His creatures and servants in their life. this is his right. he wants them to obey His orders with their will and avoid His prohibitions with their will..
The God knows what benefits mankind and what will guide them to the right path. Man is psychologically always motivated by two things: something good he likes to get, and something bad he likes to avoid. so man's actions are affected by these two things.
The God Almighty knows this. he motivates man to do good deeds. He knows very well what can spoil man and man's souls and what can deter man from the right path and push him into evil. Allah the Merciful knows that souls love security and benefits and hate misery and torture, so He created the Paradise and the Hell, the first for those who love him and follow him and the Hell-Fire as the dwelling place for those who arrogantly disobeyed him, spread evil and didn't repent.
paradise can work as a reward and a motivation for doing good. Hell can work as a punishment and as a motivation to avoid evil.
As known the will of man in this world is free. They live as they wish. Not everyone completely takes what he/she deserves in this world. Most of the time, the cruel one goes with the honour and the oppressed ones leaves this world with misery. That's because this world is not the place of reward, it is the place of test.
Being all Just and All Merciful, Allah cannot accept such an injustice and mercilessness by not creating the hell. Of course, the oppressed will take their own rights and cruels will be punished in there.
Moreover; the world is not big and magnificent enough to reward the good-doers doing good deeds and punish the big sins of wrongdoers. So, there will be another place to accomplish all these.
The existence of the hell is both mercy and justice for the oppressed.
But in order to be fair, the God already informed us all about hell and the punishment. he let mankind know how he will achieve justice and how he will punish the wrongdoers and reward. the good doers.
some people say "well, if the God will punish us, then he is not loving".
to the contrary, he is loving. but he isn't a hypocrite. we should remember that he is also just and fair. if he rewards every wrong-doer in the world just like the good-doers, then the rights of the oppressed will be lost and the God will not be just anymore.
in Islam, we believe the God is just, he is fair, and he is loving and merciful. He guaranteed that No one will be punished for something they didn't do. no one will be wronged. the Mercy of the God is greater than his wrath. and everyone who asks for that mercy will get it.
now regarding eternal punishment. To my knowledge, in Islam, we don't believe that all those who enter hell will remain there forever. that all depends on the level of sins and crimes they did. there will be many people who will enter hell, be punished for some time, and then go to heaven. the severity of the sins is decided by the law-maker, the God. the only Judge.
And Allah knows best.
We ask Allah to protect us from the hell-fire and guide us and have mercy on us all. Ameen.
I hope this answers your question. and I hope other people can also benefit from it.
Peace be to you.
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Well that's pretty interesting, because I ALWAYS heard that in Islam and Christianity hell is forever 
So this is helpful.
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Well that's pretty interesting, because I ALWAYS heard that in Islam and Christianity hell is forever
in Islam, Hell IS forever. as is Paradise.
Which I believe is kinda pointless
our opinions are based on our preferences and knowledge. they may or may not be correct.
because a punishment without reason is just simply torture.
The God promised he will never punish someone for something they didn't do. so you can make sure, the God will only judge us based on what we do.
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oh, i though you just said it isn't forever...
But the reason i say it's pointless is because, yes they might have deserved it but then why punish someone if they won't have a chance to repent/learn and be good?
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"To my knowledge, in Islam, we don't believe that all those who enter hell will remain there forever."
Source: [link]
Surat Al-'Ahzab
33:64-65
"Indeed, Allah has cursed the disbelievers and prepared for them a Blaze.
Abiding therein forever, they will not find a protector or a helper."
I gave you a bit more context in that link. That clearly states that I'll be going to Hell forever for simply unbelieving and not for any real crime. That's the biggest reason I could never be a Muslim.
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you gave me verse 33:64. may I ask: did you read all 32 chapters and 63 verses before this verse? how did you get this verse?
first, what I said doesn't contradict the verse you brought.
basically, what I said is that not ALL those who enter hell may remain there forever. but some may. in the sight of the God, disbelieving IS the biggest crime ever. he stated that he can forgive EVERYTHING. no matter how big and great are your crimes, as long as you don't disbelieve in him, he can forgive you. but the only crime he doesn't tolerate is disbelief.
now if you take the legal system of any country, you find them putting different punishments for different crimes based on their levels of severity. some crimes are bigger than others. if you were caught in a crime, and they decided that you are gonna be given a certain punishment, you can't tell them "the punishment is bigger than what it should be. if you are loving people, you shouldn't punish me."
the one who applies the law is the one who makes the law, not the one on whom the law is applied.
the same goes with the God, he is the one who will apply the law in the end, so he is the one who makes the law, not us.
That clearly states that I'll be going to Hell forever for simply unbelieving
Well, the God will certainly punishes the wrong-doers, but he also offers his mercy. you will go to hell only if you die while still rejecting his mercy. you are the one who can decide that. God's mercy can be reached only if you believe in him and ask for his mercy. of course, nobody will ask you to believe blindly. you can take your time and learn about the God and then believe out of conviction. you need an open mind for that, of course.
in fact, the Qur'an is a great mercy for letting you know how the God is gonna judge and punish the sinners. he already did you a great favor for telling you in advance that disbelieving is an unforgivable crime.
let's take an example:
I tell you "Look, omegawarmech, here are 50 gates. 1 green gate will lead you to a beautiful garden where you can live happily, and 49 red gates lead you to a giant monster that will eat you. I offer you to choose the green gate. but you are free, choose anyone you want."
now if you go and decide to open a red gate, will you blame me???
of course it's your choice. you have been warned. you will have to take responsibility for any action you choose.
The God tells us how someone may get punishment and how someone may avoid the punishment. if you go and do what entitles you to get the punishment knowing the consequences of your actions, then you can't blame the God for being unmerciful to you. you are the one who decides your destiny.
That's the biggest reason I could never be a Muslim.
let me ask you: in judgment day, when you face the God, and he asks you :"hey omegawarmech, why didn't you believe in me?" you'll answer "because you said you will punish me if I don't."
this doesn't sound like a good reason to disbelieve.
it's like the court asks the criminal: "why did you commit the crime?" and he answers: "because the law says I will be punished if I do."
come on, does this sound convincing to you?
indeed, the God said he will punish those who don't believe, and you go and don't believe in spite of that.
what I advise you is this:
don't rush and make any decisions. be open-minded, spend time to learn and understand Islam, and don't look for what pleases you. you will never find a religion that pleases you 100%. that doesn't exist. what you need to look for is what's right. what's truth. check the arguments Islam gives for its truth, and check the proofs provided, and then believe in what's true. this is not something someone does in one night. some people take months and others take years to find a convincing truth.
meanwhile, I suggest you to make a skeptic prayer "O God! if you exist, guide me"
you will never know how guidance can reach you.
and peace be to you.
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Mashaallah, I am a silent lurker.. but you just touched me so greatly with your words, I really cried... Ya Allah, may You grant Nayzak great life in dunya and in akhirah..
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You know I kinda though of two things.
First of it being, what if you just simply don't believe? I mean you may have read everything open mindedly and know all about God and that religions do a good cause, but yet you just don't believe? Perhaps some people even tried, but there's no point in forcing yourself. You just have a different idea, no matter how hard you try you go back to your own believe. it isn't hurting anyone, but it isn't Islam either, or Christianity or whatever.
How would God see that?
Do you believe there may be a certain mission behind this?
And secondly God is All knowing right? So what would be the point of us being here and Him/Her testing us? I mean he already knows wheaver we'll be in hell or heaven. he already knows what our choices will be. So what's the point?
I think that's one thing that just doesn't make sense to me...
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First of it being, what if you just simply don't believe? I mean you may have read everything open mindedly and know all about God and that religions do a good cause, but yet you just don't believe?
How would God see that?
the most important Question is this: why this guy doesn't believe? is it because the religion is false? untrue? or because he feels it doesn't 'fit him'? or he just doesn't want to follow commandments?
someone has to ask himself this: does he choose based on his preferences or based on what's correct?
Do you believe there may be a certain mission behind this?
mission behind what?
And secondly God is All knowing right? So what would be the point of us being here and Him/Her testing us? I mean he already knows wheaver we'll be in hell or heaven. he already knows what our choices will be. So what's the point?
I think that's one thing that just doesn't make sense to me...
this is a good question. since the God knows the results, then he doesn't need to test us, right?
let's take 2 cases:
a- the God told John: "I am gonna throw you in Hell because I know you are gonna be bad, even if I gave you a chance."
now, John can say "no, God, you are unjust. you are punishing me for what I didn't do. if you gave me a chance, most certainly I will do good"
here, John has a good point. he didn't do any evil yet. even if he would do if he had a chance. punishing him without giving him a chance is unjust.
b- the God gives John a chance and John sins. John faces God in judgment day. the God says "I am gonna throw you in Hell because you sinned a lot"
here, John can't deny it because everything he did will be brought in front of him. if he did evil, he will be punished solely for what he did.
same goes for the ones who go to paradise.
so the God is giving us this test so that our deeds are gonna be the criterion of our destination. the God will just judge us based on what we did, not what we would have done.
I hope you understand now.
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For the first part, I mean that one may not believe not believe not because he is lazy; the person may be commited and willing to spend their life devoted to a religion, but he just doesn;t feel in his heart the truth of it, which please note is different to 'it doesn't fit him'. Surely maybe he tried different religions and understood them but just still deep down in his heart doesn't believe 100%.
And that's what I meant by my second question.
Now the second thing, wouldn't John be considered unfaithful here, because he is questioning God's infinite knowledge?
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"if you were caught in a crime, and they decided that you are gonna be given a certain punishment, you can't tell them "the punishment is bigger than what it should be. if you are loving people, you shouldn't punish me.""
Technically in the US if the punishment given is severe or you feel that you were convicted wrongly you can try for an appeal to get a new case.
"he already did you a great favor for telling you in advance that disbelieving is an unforgivable crime."
Why is it such a terrible crime? Genocide, rape, out of all the possible crimes this verse specifically states non-belief as the worst one of all.
"I tell you "Look, omegawarmech, here are 50 gates. 1 green gate will lead you to a beautiful garden where you can live happily, and 49 red gates lead you to a giant monster that will eat you. I offer you to choose the green gate. but you are free, choose anyone you want.""
If you make it so I can't see any gates at all, and that once I get to a gate I can't turn back nor tell what color it is, then that would be more accurate.
"it's like the court asks the criminal: "why did you commit the crime?" and he answers: "because the law says I will be punished if I do.""
Except I would say, "Because it's unjust."
"you will never find a religion that pleases you 100%"
True, that's why I'm an atheist. No dogma to get caught up in, no God to have to worry about pleasing, instead I can just focus on having the best time I can while I'm alive.
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Technically in the US if the punishment given is severe or you feel that you were convicted wrongly you can try for an appeal to get a new case.
that's because the law is not perfect. it's made by people. they are not all knowing, they may make mistakes in judgment. that's why there is the possibility of the appeal to get a new case. but let me ask you, can this apply to every single case? can everyone who doesn't like the punishment decreed by the court appeal and get it reduced and get something they like? I don't think so.
now regarding the God and his punishment, one thing is sure: he will never wrong you. he will never hold you responsible for something you never did. and this, in itself is ultimate justice.
Why is it such a terrible crime? Genocide, rape, out of all the possible crimes this verse specifically states non-belief as the worst one of all.
you are stating your opinion based on your limited knowledge. for YOU, those are big crimes. but who you are to decide? you are not the one who makes the law neither the judge.
the person best fit to make the law is the one who:
1- has enough knowledge in order to make the best judgment.
2- has wisdom and is unbiased so that the judgments will be fair and just.
3- has power to apply the laws he makes.
in every country, we have knowledgeable people making the law. these people are supposed to be intelligent and wise people and the government is supposed to have power to apply the law. but sadly, these people are not all-knowing. they are as humans as you and me. and the governments are not all-powerful. in many cases some criminals escape the law because of corruption of some members in the law system or simply because they managed to run away and the law didn't reach them. some may even get away and live the rest of their lives unpunished.
but in the case of the God, it's very different.
first, he is all-knowing all-wise and all-powerful. so his laws are the most just and no one can ever escape them.
the problem many have is that they don't want to change their lives. when they taste something nice, they want to keep it. even if they knew it's not good for them. they don't want rules. they want to live the way they like. but unfortunately, this is not how the world works and not how the God decided it to be.
we have to understand how Islam sees the world:
the God created the world. he created man and put man on earth as a caretaker. he taught man the right path and the wrong path (the green gate and the red ones) He gave man the manual to live according to God's law. the God will accept everything you do according to his law. but he will reject everything else.
for example:
the God said "honor your parents". you do anything against this, the God will not accept it.
the God said "do not oppress people". you do anything against this, the God will not accept it.
the God said "do not destroy." you do anything against this the God will not accept it.
similarly, the God said "worship me alone." you do anything against this, the God will not accept.
and so that people will not live in ignorance, the God sent messengers and prophets to keep the divine guidance alive. and it's still present to our day in the form of the Qur'an. anyone can access it, analyze it and understand its message.
The God stated that disbelief is bigger than any other crime. if you commit rape and genocide, the God may punish you, but if you repent sincerely, he will forgive you in the end. because you returned to him, and this is how the God is loving: he never rejects those who return to him and seek his mercy. but if you disbelieve and never repent, then this, in this sight of the God, is an unforgivable sin.
If you make it so I can't see any gates at all, and that once I get to a gate I can't turn back nor tell what color it is, then that would be more accurate.
no. you are wrong. the God made sure everyone who has an open mind and a will to find the truth will see the gates. he gave man intellect and reason. he gives man the guidance. the gates are clear: the green gate is Islam, the rest are red gates. you can study all of them and then choose a gate to open taking full responsibility of the consequences.
Except I would say, "Because it's unjust."
When you say unjust, based on what? your own preferences? a billion people will have a billion way of seeing justice. justice is not giving you what pleases you. it's giving you what you deserve.
now the God informs us of his law, how he judges and how he rewards and punishes.
what you are doing is this: you want to be a criminal in the sight of the God, but then you consider punishing you to be unjust.
True, that's why I'm an atheist. No dogma to get caught up in, no God to have to worry about pleasing, instead I can just focus on having the best time I can while I'm alive.
the wrong thing in this choice is that you prefer to have a pleasant life now ignoring the fact that you will give account to the God someday for all you are doing. you can close your eyes and ignore the law of the God. but this doesn't mean you can escape it in the end.
I suggest you a good way to deal with this: take all options in consideration, and try to choose the best solution that benefits you in all cases.
the options you have are:
1- there is no god. what will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
2- there is a God. what will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
remember, what's important is not what pleases you, it's what's right. what you should choose is not what pleases you, but what's right. living like you are may be pleasant. but is it right? I am not asking you to give me an answer, I am merely pointing out things you need to ask yourself.
think well, if there is 0.00000000001% chance in your mind that -2- may be true, then you have to really start searching for the truth. you lose nothing by doing so. meanwhile, you may find yourself learning a lot of things. you can't just sit like this, deny God's existence, enjoy your life, and not even try to find out whether you are right or not.
this is just an advice I give you as a fellow human being.
peace be to you.
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How can we be sure that the green gate is Islam? Many other religions also claim to be the way to salvation/mercy/paradise as well.
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excellent question.
I believe that understanding the Question is half the answer. in other words, you need to have a 'truth test' for religion. ask yourself and the people around you, or search in books and articles for WHAT MAKES A RELIGION THE TRUE ONE?
when you have criterion, try to take each religion and apply the criterion on it and see if they fit. study the evidence each religion provides and see if it's true. always put in mind that you are looking for what's right, not what 'fits' you. many people reject a religion merely because they think it doesn't fit their preferences. but this doesn't always mean it's not correct.
I give you two tips to allow you to save time:
a- when trying to learn about a religion, the first thing you need to check is doctrine. if the doctrine doesn't make sense or is erroneous, don't bother with small details of the religion. because a religion with false or nonsensical doctrine can't be the true one.
b- a religion that's merely based on faith with no proof is not worthy to waste time on it.
one last word. you can't recognize the green gate without enough knowledge. that's why the only way to find the truth is to study and do some work.
peace be to you.
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But then it all comes down to eprception doesn't it?
I mean you can say that it says in the Koran this and that, but a Christian can say the same thing...
And I believe that behind the 'human nature' identified by most people (being greedy selfish etc) is the truest of true Human Nature which is kindness and being humble and true. So what if someone feels like that about a religion? not because it's comfortable but deep in their heart they feel 'yes that's it, this is the truth for me'? but then someone else may feel that way about something else.. And I mean that sort of feeling, so highly spiritual can't be wrong... In that case I think the only resolution is that there are either multiple Gods and truths OR religion doesn;t matter as long as you're connected to the spurce of it which is kindness and respect and having a spiritual experience.
And I believe The second one is more likely.
I mean if God is here, then he wouldn't let a human feel such experience by discovering a religion, if it was false...
Some people are driven by fear or follow blindly, but some are actually deeply spiritual about it, but it happens for more than one religion.
Which brings me to this conclusion and therefore to rumbling on about it to you, but I though it'd be interesting to share.
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You didn't answer my question, why is disbelief worse than anything else?
"the options you have are:
1- there is no god. what will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
2- there is a God. what will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?"
This is Pascal's Wager and to explain why this reasoning is wrong allow me to expand upon it.
1- There is no god. What will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
2- There is your God. What will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
3- There is a God that isn't yours. What will you gain and what will you lose (if you remain like you are)?
"deny God's existence"
First, watch this: [link] (Gets more to the point I'm trying to make at 2:37 The video maker is mainly talking about Christianity, but what he says about belief also applies here.)
If you'd rather not, I'll sum it up:
You keep saying that I'm doing this. I'm really just skeptical of your idea of God.
You keep saying that we should question the world around us, but you're amazingly stubborn when it comes to this particular point. Why do you feel that an eternal Hell is necessary?
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You didn't answer my question, why is disbelief worse than anything else?
because the law maker decided so.
when you want to plant fruits, you need a fertile land. you can't go and plant seeds in barren land and expect to get good fruits. seeds are your deeds, fruits are your reward, the land is your faith. if you don't believe in the God, then your work is in vain. this is how the God decided. you may disagree, that's because you are only seeing things from that narrow window "I want to be criminal, but I don't want my crime to be punishable."
You keep saying that we should question the world around us, but you're amazingly stubborn when it comes to this particular point.
I am not stubborn. questioning everything doesn't mean rejecting everything. I questioned everything but I believe in what's right. as for you, you are questioning everything, but you only believe in what pleases you.
Do you know what I don't like in my religious conversations with Atheists? it's because they don't understand what tolerance means. tolerance means you respect the other even though you disagree with them. but most atheists coming to establish religious discussion here always want to shove their opinions on me.
you asked me a question about my religion. I answered you. you asked further and I answered your questions without any attempt to offend or insult you or call you stubborn.
yet you, seeing that my answers are not to your liking, you call me stubborn merely because what I presented is something that you can't accept.
I let you know that nobody forces you to accept Islam. nobody forces you to read my articles. if you want to ask in order to learn, you are more than welcome. if you want to ask merely in order to reach a disagreement and use it to shove your opinions on me, you are not welcomed.
Why do you feel that an eternal Hell is necessary?
Why don't you ask the same about eternal paradise?
I give you an example:
in the beginning of the school year, the teacher told his students "by the end of the year, there will be a big and important exam. anyone who succeeds in the exam can pass to the next year. everyone can succeed as long as they study and prepare. those who fail will be thrown out of school."
now one student stated "it's cruel that you throw me out of school"
the teacher "nobody threw you. as long as you study you will pass, I give you my word"
the student keeps insisting "no, I don't want to study, but I feel you are unjust by throwing me out if I fail."
now this student is being unreasonable. he has the chance to succeed, yet he only wants to consider the option that pleases him. you are doing the same. you only want to consider the option that you disobey the God, and then complain that there is an eternal Hell.
right now, today, and as long as you live, you can decide whether you are going to Hell or not. you have two ways, you can choose. if you choose the wrong way knowing where it leads, you can't complain and say "it's not just." what's not just? you are informed. you are invited to heaven, you can accept the invitation or reject it.
as I said earlier, take your time and learn. when you learn more, you will be able to understand and see the truth clearly. but one thing you must do first, it's to be open-minded and humble yourself to seek the truth.
may the God guide you and help you find the truth.
And don't give me links. if you want to propagate anything, do it in your page and invite me to have a look. I don't accept Non-believers propagating disbelief in my page.
Peace be to you.
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