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Description Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -




I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?

Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)

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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.


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Comments: 919

NatureAndDragons In reply to ??? [2014-08-09 02:15:37 +0000 UTC]

Foundyou

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SpectralStarlight In reply to NatureAndDragons [2014-08-09 18:18:20 +0000 UTC]

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Slendeyk In reply to ??? [2014-05-10 15:45:34 +0000 UTC]

I'm so young, but I'm totally agree with this.

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DarkVikingMistress In reply to ??? [2014-05-10 04:00:02 +0000 UTC]

Atheist because of many reasons, one major one being that most religions/god whilst I don't hate them with a passion, ie. I'm not anti-theist you have to admit that they limit the way you can act and think. Freethinking is where it's at. If I had kids, I would not really mention any religion as I feel like I shouldn't have to introduce religions but let them find it themselves if they so chooses.

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ObviouslyKMT In reply to ??? [2014-04-19 09:16:34 +0000 UTC]

love this!! (:
if I decide to have children I'll be doing similar
maybe deist to add some wonder but not intimidate them too much but to know that kindness and human decency is key!
I want them to be educated of all religions possible; the facts, the ups and downs and they can choose from there

I'd love them either way ^^
(same as color and toy themes, too. i want all colors instead of boy blue or pink girl) i think it would be fun and rewarding to watch your child develop on their own in a positive way and even learn new ideas from them you never taught them!

keep up the good work! (and of course ignore those who simply don't understand)

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MissIrefulSeraphim In reply to ??? [2014-04-09 21:27:03 +0000 UTC]

When I was in elementary school, I went to this church thingy in my former hometown out of curiosity, but I grew bored of it after a while. When it came to God, I thought to myself "Okay, I'm not sure I totally agree, but I don't really disagree". My parents never filled me in on religion and stuff, so I wasn't sure what to think, when I expressed my thoughts to my grandpa, he told me that he was agnostic, and when I found out that it meant almost exactly what I thought, I became agnostic, because it just seemed right for me. So, I'm open to all ideas and feel that whatever happens happens (when we die that is).

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Mirria1 In reply to ??? [2014-03-21 10:09:06 +0000 UTC]

Not that I'll ever have kids... but I agree.

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Synxthe1st In reply to ??? [2014-03-18 00:07:47 +0000 UTC]

"SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)"

^-This made my day.

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BoxxMannDA In reply to ??? [2014-03-14 18:29:27 +0000 UTC]

My parrents are Catholics and introduced their religion to me along with their culture and after that over time they didn't force me or said I was going to hell if I did something and only once a year we would go to church. I liked how my parrents aren't forgive with religion or culture though they were forgive on my school education but that was it.  I'll do the same if I ever wanted to adopt children. I feel bad for those who where forced fed the bible to their heads

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CreeppingDeath In reply to ??? [2014-03-13 10:01:27 +0000 UTC]

i agree, forcing ones kids to believe in something is retarded

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ComradeSch In reply to ??? [2014-03-09 03:20:16 +0000 UTC]

This atheist, anti-fundamentalist, democratic socialist agrees.

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tarajadestone In reply to ??? [2014-03-05 22:24:13 +0000 UTC]

A classmate of mine once said something similar. To me, it sounded more like, "Religion= Responsibility that I don't want". May I ask how old would you say your child would be "fit" (mentally, physically, etc.) to choose his own religion?

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Nekromanda In reply to tarajadestone [2014-03-06 03:36:07 +0000 UTC]

I'd say somewhere around the same time that they are old enough to decide which political party they want to belong to.

I honestly don't see how religion is something that NEEDS to happen in order for someone to be considered a responsible person - there are plenty of nonreligious people out there who go through life just fine without needing to rely on one of the thousands upon thousands of religions.  

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tarajadestone In reply to Nekromanda [2014-03-07 21:48:34 +0000 UTC]

But then if they don't need to rely on a religion, why would they rely on a political party? I'm sure there are many people who do not side with the multiple parties that are out there.

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Nekromanda In reply to tarajadestone [2014-03-07 22:08:48 +0000 UTC]

That wasn't my point at all. My point was that I feel it's important to leave that sort of decision to the individual when they are capable of making decisions like that -- a 3 year old doesn't know enough about the world to make decisions about foreign policy, so why should we expect them to weigh in on whether or not there is a supreme being that created the universe and eternally punishes people who disobey their commands?

As a side note, I don't side with only one political party. 

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tarajadestone In reply to Nekromanda [2014-03-08 03:22:12 +0000 UTC]

I can see what you're trying to say, but our religion gives us our morality. You could say Atheists have a sense of morality and still don't be believe in a higher power, but then in almost all cases, they did nor grow up with Atheism. 

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Nekromanda In reply to tarajadestone [2014-03-08 11:24:50 +0000 UTC]

I disagree that religion gives people morality.  I would argue that morality came first.

Think of it this way - for the sake of argument,  if God (whichever deity you may believe in) commanded you to murder someone, would you do it? Or would you see that it was an immoral action, and not carry it out?

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tarajadestone In reply to Nekromanda [2014-03-09 02:44:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I would, if I ultimately knew it was "my" (I can't really possess a God, I can believe in one) God who commanded it. 

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Nekromanda In reply to tarajadestone [2014-03-09 06:10:40 +0000 UTC]

And I, as a rational human being, would morally object to that. Ending another person's life because you believe that God told you to is ridiculously disgusting.  I mean honestly, what about the people belonging to other religions who believe 100% that THEIR god is the true God? Would it be okay for them to kill someone else because God told them to? 

In all honesty I'm a bit shocked that someone would openly admit that they would murder someone else if they believed God asked them to. That's just sick.

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tarajadestone In reply to Nekromanda [2014-03-10 02:21:58 +0000 UTC]

I think that shows our difference, there, friend.

Because Abraham (pbuh) was ordered by Allah to kill the one thing he loved most: his son. Abraham, so devoted to Allah, actually did so. And was thus rewarded for it. He did not kill his son as he thought so, but instead slaughtered a cow. Henceforth it is why Muslims everywhere will celebrate his courage and faith on Eid-Al-Adha. There's more to it than that, but that's our basic reason.

You may call me irrational, immoral, and I take no offense. Because I'm not here to please you or any rational human being. I'm here to please Allah.

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ServantOfFeeless In reply to tarajadestone [2015-10-07 19:04:24 +0000 UTC]

Then you're no different than the heathens terrorists who kill innocents.

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tarajadestone In reply to ServantOfFeeless [2016-01-05 21:58:31 +0000 UTC]

I can kill a man in the name of science, but I can also save a man in the name of science. Science would never be at blame. But when a man kills in the name of religion and another saves a man because of religion, you will hear the outbursts of the anti-religious saying religion caused it. If I am no better than a heathen terrorist, neither are you.

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ServantOfFeeless In reply to tarajadestone [2016-01-06 21:36:01 +0000 UTC]

 what kinda idiotic logic is this?  If anyone kills another human being in the name of science then of course the subject of whatever science should be  blamed and the person that did it as well. I don't hurt anyone in the name of anything so your point is moot honey bunch. You’re advocating harm-- while I’m advocating the freedom and happiness of all people. Don’t get your panties in a bundle and try to turn this shit on me just cause you know you done fucked up and are now so fucked in the ass you’re butthurt. Go shove ice up your bum buster, don’t try to bring other people down with you just cause you’re fuming at the ears. It’s not becoming of you. Have a nice life and please learn from the idiocy you’ve displayed today.

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AgentKay004 In reply to ??? [2014-02-18 10:07:16 +0000 UTC]

A lot of people says Christians brainwash their children. Well, what about people all around the world where being a Christian gets you killed? The people who never grew up with Jesus picking up a bible one day and suddenly believe, including Satanists? They certainly weren't "brainwashed" by their parents.

I do understand this, though, but some people don't understand the difference between a clearly (physically, mentally, emotionally or sexually) abusive parent using the bible and a Christian parent simply teaching their kids about Jesus and called abusive for that reason.

My mother is Catholic but she NEVER forced me, although many would consider it just that because she bought me bibles, took me to church occasionally and taught me prayers but it was MY decision to follow Jesus as a Christian. Learning prayers with her, being forced to watch bible-based movies with her, I love it all because she knows it's the only way I'll spend time with her.
To me, that's bonding, not brainwashing and I wish every child could experience that kind of love I share with my parents and Jesus.

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NatureAndDragons In reply to AgentKay004 [2014-08-09 02:18:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm an atheist and I still think this comment is amazing.

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AgentKay004 In reply to NatureAndDragons [2014-09-10 04:25:58 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! That means a lot.

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Gametastic In reply to AgentKay004 [2014-05-24 20:03:44 +0000 UTC]

Pfff, this was amazing, gimmie a hug.

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AgentKay004 In reply to Gametastic [2014-06-14 19:53:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot! (gives hug)

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Gametastic In reply to AgentKay004 [2014-06-14 23:49:11 +0000 UTC]

np uvu

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ArtificialCreature In reply to ??? [2014-02-17 08:46:18 +0000 UTC]

CuteSilverLover posted your stamp without any credit: cutesilverlover.deviantart.com…

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ThePonyOfOne In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 21:38:33 +0000 UTC]

i belive in science if nobody every seen god im not gonna make them force me to belive

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BoxxMannDA In reply to ??? [2014-02-10 14:17:34 +0000 UTC]

As a catholic I agree with you, I have a sister who isn't interested in going to church but I'm not going to blame her or force her so if she grows up not believing in god I won't mind. It's her decision and we are given a choice to believe in a deity or not.

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vincentim59 In reply to ??? [2014-02-09 21:07:41 +0000 UTC]

"to your sensitive little head"


I stop read here.


You just an asshole

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-09 23:04:56 +0000 UTC]

Apparently you are too, considering you stopped reading.

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AsahiGirl In reply to Scarespawn [2014-10-26 23:38:59 +0000 UTC]

 

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-09 23:44:58 +0000 UTC]

Not at all.  Because i will not force my kid too. 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 00:57:58 +0000 UTC]

Clearly, that doesn't stop you from being an asshole in other ways.

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 01:04:42 +0000 UTC]

Hmm ? And you an arrogant little boy, poor guy, when you was kid a sister clap you're little girlish finger and you need like the OP make a stupid stamp ? 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 01:14:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm the arrogant, poor one? Have you seen your grammar? I can barely tell what you're saying. So just keep running your mouth and I'll keep sitting here being disgusting that people like you run-a-muck in one of the greatest online places in the world.

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 01:25:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, my grammar, i'm not english, you understand me, it is enough. 


Jerk 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 01:32:09 +0000 UTC]

Doesn't stop you from learning.

I apologize for being abrupt and insulting you, as I did, however I do not apologize for bringing up the fact that you were being an asshole to the person that made this stamp in the first place.

They could've been in a bad mood when they posted it or even they were just done with people doing the things that you did and they were asking you not to, however impolite it may have seemed. Henceforth, the fact that you stopped reading just to comment rudely and miss the whole purpose of that part of the description in the first place pissed me off.

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 02:03:00 +0000 UTC]

I miss nothing, i will not force my kids in the first place. 


Learning humm, i have just the school level. I'm good enough for test and small talk 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 02:08:06 +0000 UTC]

You did, though. You missed the entire premise of the description.


So you don't want to do anything else? Nothing at all? You don't want to be able to talk properly and fully in one of, if not the, most used languages in the world?

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 02:25:22 +0000 UTC]

I talk properly already. If i take my time, when i insult someone, i dont care if i made mistake. 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 02:28:49 +0000 UTC]

And to think I was actually willing to try to be nice to you. Wow. You just ruined that.

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 02:33:44 +0000 UTC]

I speak about above, not now -_- 

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 02:35:24 +0000 UTC]

That's just it. The way you phrased it said otherwise.

So, tell me, having seen the frustration your ignorance causes, you still do not want to learn?

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 02:42:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm not frustated. And no. I speak enough and properly i tell you. I won't come to live in england or usa. 


And you are too sensitive, why i feel attacked when you respond lol ?.

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Scarespawn In reply to vincentim59 [2014-02-10 03:05:21 +0000 UTC]

I didn't say you were frustrated. In fact, I implied that I was frustrated. I live in Canada, not the U.S nor England.


I'm sorry, I can't answer that question. It didn't make any sense.

But no, I am not "too sensitive". I am human and I react upon my emotion.

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vincentim59 In reply to Scarespawn [2014-02-10 03:06:37 +0000 UTC]

okok

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