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Published: 2013-03-29 13:18:02 +0000 UTC; Views: 10800; Favourites: 611; Downloads: 17
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In case it goes by a bit quick: "A person's sexuality does not determine their ability to parent."One of the favored arguments of late is the "Well, gay couples could never raise a child to the same quality as a straight couple could" argument. I say that's pretty silly if you ask me.
People using that argument conveniently forget that most kids who are abused have.... wait for it.... straight parents!
Most people who turn out to be criminals had straight parents. Most people who commit murder and genocide... straight parents. Hmmmm.American Psychological Association: "There is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children." (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);
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I don't think it's the orientation so much as it is the fact that a kid needs a same-sex role model. As a female, it would be hard for me to grow up in a two-dad family, not because I hate gays (I don't), but because I need a mom.
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My mother has a good friend in a same sex relationship who sometimes takes care of me when my mother is overnight somewhere work related, they are so kind and nice. My bio mother and bio father were terrible parents tho' so yes it really depends on the person not the sexual orientation.
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Most of the parents who abuse their kids are straight parents. In Finland child abuse is more common than cancer.
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I saw a stamp by a christian that says it takes a man and a woman to make a good family! Yeah, basically no love is involved whatsofuckingever! I was so pissed off that you can bet that I left a piece of my mind in the comments trashing that shit!
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I might not be the most responsible of parents, but I want to teach my kids the ways of the world. Let them know that life isn't a bunch of fairy tales. Tbh I'd teach my kids swear words, but also teach them self-control and when to use/not to use them. I'd be the parent to teach them about lots of things, but I'll also teach them responsibility and common sense. Something that homophobes don't have because they're so stubborn.
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Well, those stats about abuse are a bit skewed- I mean, of course there'll be more abusive straight parents, I mean, the rate of straight to gay is pretty unbalanced, but, yeah, makes sense. Gays should be allowed to have kids and the lot.
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I agree alot with this stamp.The ''a child needs a mother and a father figure'' it's not only stupid but sexist too.I mean what can a father do that a mother can't?.What can a mother do that a father can't?.They both can love,care and discipline their child. Period.
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The last word of your comment is generally something a mother can do that a father can't.
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HOLY CRAP I AGREE
Personally I'm kinda offended when my friends won't let me near their little siblings ( I just want to play, I'm very gentle) I ask why and they say "cause you're bi"
I literally see NOTHING wrong with that.
One of my "buddies" has something against gays and bis and swore she'd never be close to one. I slapped her in the face and walked away.
The personality determines the quality of parenthood. I shouldn't have kids, not because I'm bi, because I am generally non-user-friendly. I curse a lot, and I engage in violent behavior.
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I like how you did that! XD
Your friends had better get to loving instead of shaming because that's just fucked up...
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Good is like an Autobot, it comes in many forms.
Evil is like a Decepticon, it comes in many forms.
Thank you, and good morning.
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Yes.
And yet there are lots of terrible people who want to take children away from gay couples.
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I've seen straight couples being horrible to their kids and gay/lesbian ones being amazingly kind
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Sexuality has nothing to do with the life of raising another being. I wish people could see that.
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Unless their sexuality is like... Pedophillia... with an incest fetish... But that's not what we're talking about here now is it?
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Agreed, but I wouldn't EVER compare homosexuality to pedophillia e.e
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I wouldn't either, though I am bugged that certain groups in the LGBT are unironically trying to defend bestiality and incest.
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Yeah... Again, very very VERY small amount of people. But when there's one, people will like to take that one and paint the entire movement just to further their "I TOLD YOU SO!" mentality.
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most kids who are abused have.... wait for it.... straight parents Most people who turn out to be criminals had straight parents. Most people who commit murder and genocide... straight parents.Isnt this essentially because most people have straight parents?
Though you can be the best parents ever, a child is not only the product of their parenting aaand I'm not saying that having 2 parents the same sex is bad for a child's mental balance, it just sounds very odd to me
I read some statistics about how children raised by gay couples have a significantly higher mental issues rate but it was on an anti gay marriage flyer so not sure it's reliable.
oh well
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Relationships are also not only about making babies..
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Exactly. There is more to the relationship of a married couple than having children.
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Yep, babies are a option.
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These kids don't even think it's weird to have two dads, they where raised with them and
Think it's the norm.. They don't need a mom and a dad, they just need proper parents who
Provide properly for them so they can grow up normally and happily.
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Exactly
i know 3 8 y.o's with 2 mums and they live a completely normal happy life ^^
they haven't even realised they have a lesbian couple for parents
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Tell that to the unhappy, confused kids that come from queer "parents".
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What about the unhappy, confused kids that come from straight parents?
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Children need both the male (fatherly) and the female (motherly) role model while growing up. Of course, if parents do not perform their duty of state properly, then of course children can be screwed up in any case. However, professional psychologists are well aware of the impact there is on a boy growing up with either no father, a spineless wimp of a father or an abusive father: the boy has no proper male role model. (He can't be affectionate to the abusive father and the wimp is just embarrassing). So the boy finds his mother to be the only role model and begins to take upon himself the attributes of his mother. I personally know enough homosexual young men who came from broken homes or from fathers who were not real men to be proof of what the professionals state.
From our particular parish, homosexuals are not seen coming from normal families. Ever. They only come from such cases as mentioned above. I am a firm believer, after looking into it, that homosexuality is not something people are born with. Many lesbians are so simply because they are men-haters and feminists. There is also plenty of evidence that diet can alter a male's hormones. Soy is particularly nasty as the male receives an overdose of female hormones and this alters the mental state of the male ("male" normally being a boy. Men are not so easily affected). Many infant milk formulas contain an abundance of soy - experts warn parents against this rubbish. (Dr. Joseph Mercola is a good reference for many dietary facts).
Homosexuality springs from such things as perverse experiences with friends while growing up, a dysfunctional family, partially from diet (believe it or not), a poor or non-existent fatherly male role model, etc. Our modern schools are also partially to blame (as is the media) for brainwashing children with pro-homosexuality teaching. I have actually seen pro-homosexual posters in a primary school. Children shouldn't even be learing about such adult things at that stage! I know plenty of people who have strong liberal, media-fed, opinions about homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, etc. who can't even spell four letter words!! Why? Because they are busy being brainwashed about "discrimination", the importance of contraceptives, etc., etc.
So, there are many factors that come into play when the topic of homosexuality is touched.
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i'm gender neutral, do i count as both parents or neither parent?
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Neither, you don't deserve a kid.
This is just a joke please don't take this seriously.
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damnit. can i at least have a cat
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Sorry to butt into this conversation but...
For your first point about the fatherly and motherly role model I don't agree. For one those are based off gender roles which are unneeded. Both of my parents show the traditional boy/girl things yet I turned out completely different than what they'd approve. ALso I have five friends that are all lesbians or bisexual, who all have healthy relationships with their mothers and fathers (and all of them come from "normal" families if there even such a thing, but normal as in what you think is normal, a heterosexual couple. )
I'm not looking for an argument I would just like to point out that your points have some holes in them.
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No problem. Society does need gender roles. They are the natural consequence of gender. To be honest, I don't even believe in the term "gender roles" - there is just 'gender'. If one parent's gender is male then he clearly takes the fatherly role model upon himself, etc. Otherwise what's even the point of there being males and females if we can all just do as we please? The animal kingdom certainly wouldn't be stable if it wasn't for these natural and beautiful rules of gender. If males in a certain species started going effeminate and such, the survival of the species would be at stake. I know there are some people who claim that homosexuality in animals is normal, but what they haven't been told by these "scientists" is that this only happens when their natural state is altered by man, disaster, etc., and there is a huge scarcity of females of that species or they have been put in such an unnatural situation that they are practically programmed. In general, the majority of animal species also only mate during the mating season - another statement from mother nature that sex leads to offspring and that this is the primary goal of sex (of course there are other goals and uses, but they can not conflict with the primary goal). This, of course, does not mean that you have to get pregnant every time you have intercourse (only an idiot would think that). That is why contraception is so unnatural too - it frustrates the main purpose of the act. It's like when the ancient Romans would attend huge feasts and eat themselves sick and throw it all up in the vomitorium and then go back for more - the main purpose of food is NOT pleasure, but nourishment. The pleasure is a very pleasant consequence of eating food. Same goes for intercourse. Pleasure is secondary. Even the beautiful bonding that takes place is only a secondary consequence - not that these things are not important - but there is a hierarchy.
Anyway, I know this discussion could go on forever and online discussions never end in either party changing their point of view (from what I have seen online, it is very, very rare that is does).
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So,you are pro-sexism.Am I right asshole?
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yeah they usually don't. I like debating especially when it's someone like you who doesn't get upset when someone disagrees
I just think humans have a higher knowledge than other animals and experience emotions that other animals can't. I think they are able to decide things for themselves.
And genders I don't think are necessary because the only reason we assign genders is that a girl does one half of creating a baby and the boy does the other. Otherwise I think people can act and be 'masculine' or 'feminine' if they want. Like a girl could take on the "fatherly" model if she wanted to. I don't really like calling them fatherly and motherly. I like calling them someone who teaches you compassion and care, and someone who teaches you hard work and responsibility. I think either parents could do that, or one person could teach a kid all of that.
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Likewise. People who lose an argument and feel the need to revert to name-calling always crack me up!
I certainly agree on the first point - humans are above animals, just as animals are above plant life, and just as angels/demons are above humans. We have "reason" whereas animals rely on "instinct". Humans have some instinct of course, but not as powerful as animals, and we do not rely on it as animals do. (Many today do not distinguish a difference between animals and man and think we are on the same level as them). But at the same time, neither man nor animal is "inferior" to the other. Each is perfect in its own nature/being. A man who disregards the natural law (written in each and every one of us) has certainly lowered himself, not only below the level of human, but even below that of the animal, for even animals do not disregard the laws of nature (in normal, unadulterated circumstances).
I know where you are coming from on point two, but I definitely disagree. In the end, the whole argument comes down to: are we evolutionists or creationists? Do we believe in a higher Being Who has designed everything in us and Who has plans for us, or do we believe that everything comes from an explosion and just miraculously became what it is today? But, as you have stated, there is a very important difference between humans and animals: the intellect and reason. I ask the evolutionists, "where is the missing link? Where are the creatures who are halfway between man and animal?" They aren't there.
If we do not believe in a Higher Being, then, in my opinion, anything goes and there is no right or wrong. Anything that is labelled a "crime" shouldn't be. And anything that is seen as "good" or "virtuous" is nonsense, because, in the end, nothing actually matters. There is no afterlife, there is no judgement or reward. There is just the passing "now".
Anyway, good to see someone who actually likes to think.
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you make a good point
thanks haha
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I came from a single-parent family and I turned out just fine!
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straight people give shit to gay people and say shit like "A CHILD CANT HAV 2 DADS/MOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
like
straight people
they fuckin abandoned these children and they think they have the right to decide what a child deserves smh
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Exactly!
I go to a Christian home-school, and the latest book I got was on why gay people can't properly raise a child ._.
If I didn't need to pass that class......
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omfg'
I feel sorry for you QAQ
and here I am going to a school where we learn that being gay or bi is completely fine
//internet hug//
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Not to mention the people who make these "Children need mothers and fathers" argument are unintentionally insulting toward single parents who raise perfectly normal children. If anything, we should be encouraging more marriage, because then these same-sex couples can get the same benefits heterosexual couples get when they get married and have children.
Not only that, but if they adopt, then that gives another child or children in the foster system a home and a family.
Sexuality is not a choice and cannot be influenced. Neither should it be a determining factor in what people can and can't do.
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I agree! My mom basicly raised me and my sister. And this would help out with a lot to kids.
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