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Description Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -




I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?

Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)

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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.


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PeteSeeger In reply to ??? [2015-03-17 23:40:55 +0000 UTC]

If there is no evil then what defines right from wrong.

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Kirschchan In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-03-18 00:38:13 +0000 UTC]

To be "wrong" doesn't necessarily mean evil. Is teasing your younger sibling for their bad hair cut wrong? Yes. Is it evil? No. Right and wrong are vague concepts that come as common sense, but often stray off into a mass of blurry grey lines. Nothing "defines" right and wrong, and I don't believe anything should.

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PeteSeeger In reply to Kirschchan [2015-03-18 00:52:24 +0000 UTC]

So there is nothing inherently objectionable with murder.

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Kirschchan In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-03-19 02:23:41 +0000 UTC]

Are you trying to imply something here? I thought I had stated my views quite clearly. I don't believe there's such thing as pure evil, and the judge for right or wrong is vague. It's common knowledge for instances such as burglary-turned-murder, but what of scenarios where the victim is someone who plans on killing millions? Perhaps not the best scenario to prove my point, but I don't believe in black and white laws of the universe. That's ignorance.

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PeteSeeger In reply to Kirschchan [2015-03-19 02:59:46 +0000 UTC]

The point of my argument is that without belief in a higher power there is no truly legitimate basis for any form of laws save for the ones who make the laws have the most guns. What gives one human being the right to put value into a certain code and force that onto another if they don't agree. Even if most agree with it, does that truly give those who hold it the right to impose it upon others if there is no inherent value in either codes?

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Kirschchan In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-03-30 14:51:23 +0000 UTC]

And what gives a God the right? To those who are atheist or of some religion with another deity, this "higher power" does not exist. Your argument is only effective towards those who believe in the existence of a higher power, and trust the judgement of a higher power.Β 

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PeteSeeger In reply to Kirschchan [2015-03-31 01:26:29 +0000 UTC]

Did you actually pay any mind to what I said?

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Kirschchan In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-03-31 02:52:29 +0000 UTC]

Um, yes. I read the whole thing. Several times while writing my response, in fact. You said we needed a higher power, but I disagree. A higher power is not something we need, but instead a title placed on a being who is unconditionally worshiped by us lowly people. We shouldn't need that.

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PeteSeeger In reply to Kirschchan [2015-03-31 10:47:47 +0000 UTC]

You missed the point. Where do you derive your sense of moral right and wrong from?

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PeteSeeger In reply to Kirschchan [2015-03-31 01:26:07 +0000 UTC]

Did you actually pay any mind to what I said?

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VonRabenherz In reply to ??? [2015-01-30 13:23:47 +0000 UTC]

And can you prove this, or do you only go around asserting stuff?

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PeteSeeger In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-01-30 14:50:38 +0000 UTC]

It's common knowledge!

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VonRabenherz In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-02-02 19:51:54 +0000 UTC]

There is no such thing.

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PeteSeeger In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-02-03 02:38:02 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean?

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VonRabenherz In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-02-03 10:13:21 +0000 UTC]

"Common knowledge". There is no such thing, it's the cheapest kind of an argumentum ad populum. If you state something as fact, especially something that is open to interpretation (which you did, because Jefferson never stated what you claimed explicitly), you'll have to back it up with some facts, or it's not worth the few bytes of space it takes up on DA's servers.

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PeteSeeger In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-02-03 11:49:37 +0000 UTC]

www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/…

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VonRabenherz In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-02-03 12:13:56 +0000 UTC]

There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Not that I necessarily agree with the article. Seems to be fairly biased if you ask me, and all the author does is apply his own interpretation of the specific matter at hand ("His reply clearly applied β€œSeparation of Church and State” to the establishment and not to the free exercise of religion." - if it was that clear, there would not be any need to argue the point... ), but hey, that's a different matter.

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PeteSeeger In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-02-03 19:52:02 +0000 UTC]

If you do your own research relating to the topic you will find that what I have said and what this article states is dead on or nearly so.

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VonRabenherz In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-02-04 13:23:09 +0000 UTC]

That's the thing. I have done my own research, and while Jefferson's intentions were undoubtedly also guided by his desire to create a society where the government has no influence on religious practices - unlike in europe at the time - he was very specific in that there absolutely needs to be true neutrality. This, however, is not achievable if the protection only goes one way. I do not think Jefferson stupid enough to not have seen that.

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Slendermansbrother [2014-12-10 14:49:08 +0000 UTC]

Just some evidence since you pissed me off...

Read St. Thomas Aquinas' 5 laws. They help prove God's existence in ways where you can't prove he doesn't afterwards.

Also, unrelated to what's above... Why do people who are atheist say they don't believe in God, yet they keep saying "God doesn't exist, We hate God so much, We don't believe in God!" They just keep bringing up God... So if he doesn't exist... Why do they keep saying God and even bother wasting their time trying to prove he doesn't?

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VonRabenherz In reply to Slendermansbrother [2015-01-30 13:26:38 +0000 UTC]

Aquinas proves nothing. He jumps to pre-determined conclusions that do not follow from his premises. His argumentation is faulty.

As to why atheists keep speaking out against religion, that one's easy:
Because religious people keep trying to push their religious agenda into areas where it does not belong - like science classes, court houses or other people's bedrooms. This needs to be opposed.

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Slendermansbrother In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-01-30 14:48:50 +0000 UTC]

Ah true... That makes sense...

You bring up a good point and have opened my eyes a little... Thank you very much for bringing up those fair points and answering my question... I apologize for anything I may have done to provoke you

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VonRabenherz In reply to Slendermansbrother [2015-01-30 14:51:28 +0000 UTC]

No need, no need, you haven't provoked me in any way ^^

I'm happy that the points I made didn't fell upon deaf ears, that's rather rare to be honest. I tip my hat to you.

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Slendermansbrother In reply to VonRabenherz [2015-01-30 15:23:05 +0000 UTC]

That's good ^^

That is unfortunately true... people need to be more open to other people's views and listen instead of trying to ignore their opinions... I tip my hate to you too sir and hope you have a great life ^^

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cloudxtrlfe In reply to Slendermansbrother [2014-12-21 08:52:08 +0000 UTC]

Aww he pissed you off?
Need a butthurt cream for that?

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justjukka In reply to cloudxtrlfe [2014-12-24 00:23:30 +0000 UTC]

No, I think he is responding to the end of the first edit: "SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)"

She's picking on people who are easily offended; he's probably just having fun.

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Skyechirisu In reply to ??? [2014-12-07 19:40:26 +0000 UTC]

My mother tried to force me to be a Christian... When I told her I was uncomfortable, she locked me in a closet for 5 hours and wouldn't let me out for anything...

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DarkVikingMistress In reply to Skyechirisu [2015-04-21 07:47:37 +0000 UTC]

I know this is slightly old but, you ok?

That sounds scary...

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Skyechirisu In reply to DarkVikingMistress [2015-04-21 19:15:56 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it's all good now. And yeah, it was scary. ;w;

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RariTwirules15 In reply to Skyechirisu [2015-03-25 20:47:47 +0000 UTC]

Oh my god, that's horrible!

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Skyechirisu In reply to RariTwirules15 [2015-03-25 20:54:43 +0000 UTC]

I know... ;_;

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Iamshadowthefox In reply to Skyechirisu [2015-03-09 01:56:41 +0000 UTC]

A-busive!!! That's horrible!

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Skyechirisu In reply to Iamshadowthefox [2015-03-09 02:43:40 +0000 UTC]

I know. She was a fundie too.

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gdpr-16864305 In reply to Skyechirisu [2014-12-12 23:33:51 +0000 UTC]

Wouldn't that count as abuse? :0

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Skyechirisu In reply to gdpr-16864305 [2014-12-14 00:29:12 +0000 UTC]

Yep... ;w; I had an abusive mother...

...By the way, my mom is dead now.

And your username is awesome

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gdpr-16864305 In reply to Skyechirisu [2014-12-14 02:00:19 +0000 UTC]

Oh, how'd she die? (Sorry for asking that, if that offended you)

And thanks. B)

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Skyechirisu In reply to gdpr-16864305 [2014-12-14 02:05:24 +0000 UTC]

She burned to death.

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gdpr-16864305 In reply to Skyechirisu [2014-12-14 02:38:07 +0000 UTC]

Ah okay.

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IDreamOfTheWind In reply to ??? [2014-12-03 21:13:03 +0000 UTC]

I would raise my children in a Christian household but if they didn't want to be Christian, I would allow them to follow their own paths. (Says the person who never wants to have kids)

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RainbowTailor In reply to ??? [2014-11-28 05:17:29 +0000 UTC]

My cousin forced me to go to church!

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minecatme In reply to ??? [2014-11-24 14:29:10 +0000 UTC]

i wish my parents are like that, i was raised as aΒ Catholic, but Β don't belive in god any more, wen i told my parents thay said it was simlpy that time of the mounth and i was being dimatic Β Β 

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PoisonShallEvanesce In reply to minecatme [2014-12-04 13:10:25 +0000 UTC]

I doubt very seriously that your menstrual cycle would affect your thought patterns in such a way. Β 

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minecatme In reply to PoisonShallEvanesce [2014-12-04 14:38:43 +0000 UTC]

i know, i know it's not that but my parents think that's it, and i don't know how to get them to exsepet my new beliefs.

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PoisonShallEvanesce In reply to minecatme [2014-12-04 14:49:35 +0000 UTC]

All children rebel against their parents, it is a natural part of growing up. You become your own person, if you allow it. I doubt you are disagreeing with them just to spite them. As you age, your brain changes, your viewpoints of things change, YOU change. Your parents know this, they just do not want to accept it just yet, I think.

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minecatme In reply to PoisonShallEvanesce [2014-12-04 22:47:52 +0000 UTC]

right

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Captain-Tickles In reply to ??? [2014-11-20 22:35:37 +0000 UTC]

My make there own choices if my son for some reason wants to be Islam or Muslim I let him If he wants to be Catholic Β Thats ok

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squiggledog In reply to ??? [2014-11-05 07:53:49 +0000 UTC]

No one can make people believe anything.
α••( Ν‘Β°β€ΏΚ– Ν‘Β°)α•—

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RuetheFox In reply to ??? [2014-11-02 11:59:42 +0000 UTC]

I understand it. My parents kinda force me to be catholics but religions is what u believ and no one can choose that for you. Probably only at 18 ill be baptized. If my kids want to be christians, indu, athiests or Whatever, i won't force them to stop. Hey, but i think Tomas Jefferson was Mason. I think these guys opposite God. Well, i THINK sΓ³ no offense if u are it and u don't do that.

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PeteSeeger In reply to ??? [2014-11-01 00:11:45 +0000 UTC]

If I ever have a kid they're going to Church so long as they live under my roof.

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VonRabenherz In reply to PeteSeeger [2015-01-30 13:28:32 +0000 UTC]

I sincerely hope you never get children, then. The poor fucks.

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