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Nekromanda — 'Well, that was the OLD Testament.'
Published: 2013-03-19 05:05:38 +0000 UTC; Views: 2450; Favourites: 24; Downloads: 8
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Just something that popped into my head after a conversation with someone. They suggested I couldn't name a few things that made God bad. I listed several things that I find particularly "bad" (You know, killing firstborns of all of Egypt, dashing babies apart, ripping open pregnant women, having 42 kids ripped to shreds by two bears for calling a guy bald, killing 70,000 people to punish the city's leader, etc...).The response?
"That's all from the Old Testament.
That's Angry God. After Jesus died for our sins, that all stopped happening."
It got me thinking, what if we applied that thought to other things? Out of that came this drawing, so... yup.
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Well good for it? Man sorta screwed itself by disobeying god's orders to begin with...
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When you punish your children for being disobedient, you don't give them cancer and then tell them it's their fault. Much less give it to the grandkids for something the parents did.
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Tl;dr if there is an omnipresent, omnipowerful god in this world, it's not omnibenevolent. It's unnecessarily cruel. Because of things like rectal cancer.
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Part of reality. Not part of life with an omnipresent, omnipowerful, omnibenevolent god.
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And again, humanity screwed itself over in Eden.
If god didn't give a damn about humanity he wouldn't have made a way for it to be saved afterwards.
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And again, only a monster makes rectal cancer a punishment, then says you'll go to a better place after a long and painful death if you suitably suck up. Screw that. If your god exists, he is an asshole.
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well believe what you want I guess
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I'm probably going to look like an idiot, but we have free will, right? Wouldn't taking that away and forcing us to do his will be evil?
Yes, I know, predestination and all, but God just knows what is going to happen. He doesn't make it happen.
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Firstly, free will doesn't make a difference concerning natural disasters and things like inheritable disease or plagues. Humans did not choose to have those things and yet they needlessly destroy billions of lives. If you could prevent them from occurring and choose not to, that would be evil.
Secondly, as for free will vs. predestination, knowing the future does not mean you created it. But creating everything including the future means you have. If there is an omnipresent being which created the universe, that means the universe and everyone in it were created with their path in the stone of its knowledge. You truly have no free will.
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In order for the world to change (plate tectonics and the like) natural disasters have to happen. Don't mention the great flood. I don't believe in that.
Or you could say that Satan created natural disasters, but I wouldn't.
Also, this is just what I think. God created us, we create our path. He just knows what it is.
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Plate tectonics only have to do with earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. And it should be no problem for a god who regularly defied physics in the bible. Satan has no power over God either.
You can't create a path if it's already created for you. If it exists in a being's absolute knowledge before you even existed, it's already created, and you had nothing to do with it.
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Take a page from John Milton: If everything in the world was perfect, God wouldn't have any opportunities to show his love for us. He wants to be a part of our lives and wants us to need him. During disasters, we turn to him and to each other. This probably means nothing to you, but it still makes sense to me.
I'm getting tired of answering the same question three times. I'm standing by my last answer.
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I don't want perfection. What I also don't want is for millions to suffer needlessly so that I can be taught a lesson about unity, and certainly not by a god who stood by and did not prevent the suffering just so I'd love him more after getting through it.
Giving the same answer three times doesn't mean you answered the three statements. I already said why knowing equals doing when it comes to omnipresent creation.
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If you survived a disaster, would you appreciate your family and loved ones more?
I'm still sticking by my answer.
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Being thankful that a disaster happened just because you survived and it helped you appreciate your family more, despite that a bunch of other people did not survive is only something self-centered assholes do.
Your answer is insufficient to me. It's missing the forest for the trees.
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What didn't seem serious?
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Caring for your loved ones and others during a disaster doesn't make you an asshole.
I think you wasted enough of my time. I'm clearly getting nowhere with you.
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Let me repeat for the sake of clarity:
Disasters are not learning tools. If god lets people die so other people can learn lessons they should already know (appreciating their family) then he's not worthy of anything approaching respect. He is, in fact, a monster.
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I don't care what you think.
You wasted enough of my time.
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You're the one replying. It's not my fault your arguments make no sense.
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Thinking a disaster is good despite that people lost their lives, because you got something out of it, makes you an asshole.
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Oh screw it, you'll never understand.
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And I hope I never will if it makes me thankful disasters happen.
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That's not what I meant.
I'm done explaining it to you. This has been a huge waste of time.
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I can't see your argument indicating anything else. God doesn't prevent disasters because disasters are good. They help you unify and appreciate your family. Just ignore all those people who die needlessly from disasters God could have prevented, who can no longer appreciate anything. They don't matter. Only the lesson it gives the survivors.
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So you keep saying, then keep replying.
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But God is in charge of the people, isn't he? He "has a plan" for all of us. Did he plan for some people to be murderers?
That doesn't sound like a very loving, merciful god. Or, perhaps, he's not in charge of the people, meaning that he is not omnipotent. Either way, we've got some contradiction here(but what's new?)
Plus, Black Death is a disease. Who exactly should we be blaming for that? If god created everything, did he not create disease?
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Is it okay if I jump in here? I felt like you had some good questions that I wanted to try to answer. Well, I wanna take this from a Muslim's point of view because I really am no expert on Christianity's take on such a question. (2nd question)
In Islam, we believe life is a test. There are trials, punishments, good and bad, evils and ruthlessness, horrors and tragedies...Everything happens for a reason, technically speaking. God is pretty much testing our faith and testing our beliefs. If we stray from the path of belief, then we should work hard to find our way back. If I'm not being clear in my response, even though it's not meant for me to respond, just say so.
Peace
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Totally. I always hate when people freak out because you reply to their post. It's a public website, my comment was public, therefore I expect replies from anybody.
That's what I was taught in church as well. It makes sense; if there was a perfect afterlife, you should have to go through some crap on Earth. However, I find a hard time believing that mass killings caused by people or disease are just "tests". It seems more like a) these bad things happen because there is no god or b) these bad things happen because god is not merciful or loving-he's just a sadist that gets bored.
As an agnostic, I don't deny the idea of a god. Though, I do believe that if there were a god, he would be more like the gods described in Greek Mythology. I know that probably sounds a bit silly, but with all the horrible things in life, I simply can't believe that there is a god that cares. But a god that toys with humans for pleasure? That seems more plausible to me.
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I can see what you're saying here. I personally believe that God planned for there to be evil and good on earth, and so we have hardships, murders, poverty, etc. And after our life here, there will be a better life if you're destined for Paradise/Heaven... But whichever you believe, that's yours to decide. ^_^
Peace
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I see.
I feel like I should thank you for acting like a decent human being during our discussion. So few people seem capable of that.
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No problem 
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I'll have to do some more reading on this, but apparently free will and predestination aren't exclusive.
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I see.
Well, you did not answer my second question.
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I'm not sure how to answer the second one without sounding like a total idiot, but apparently stuff like disease is God's way of testing us. Otherwise it's Satan. Don't quote me on that, it's what showed up when I was looking for answers to your questions.
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Interesting. Killing millions of people seems more like a slaughter than a test, but what do I know...
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I know. I don't get it either.
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See, all those people god killed don't matter, because jesus is such a swell guy! That's why we let rapist murderers walk free if they give to chairty and work at homeless shelters
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Yeah really?
Isn't Revelations in the new poopament?
I don't remember, I find football and hockey stats more important.
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I love the facial expressions. xD
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Haha thanks. I was going to have the serial killer be a bit more ominous looking, but I figured cute lil anime smiley face would be much more convincing of his sincerity.
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