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SabinoDrawings In reply to ??? [2017-10-20 11:54:43 +0000 UTC]
www.boredpanda.com/disney-prin…
There's your Disney princess (That btw, really look good as black/spanic/asian/etc), and yes, it would look A LOT batter is she was darker, but don't say "white people" like every single white people gives no shit about other races. Some people call my girlfriend racist just because she is white, if she was racist she wouldn't be dating me.
In the end the solution to racism in the U.S. is simple: you all just just come to south america, cause here, white and black ,poor and more poor... we all are equally fucked! Lol
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BlackVinyl In reply to SabinoDrawings [2017-10-20 20:43:34 +0000 UTC]
I've seen that before. I know there are white people who care, but not enough to change systemic pitfalls against Blacks that we face today.
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Tasorius2 In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-25 18:50:48 +0000 UTC]
You are just not thinking far enough ahead here. You are just thinking of the past and the present and completely ignoring the possible future, where everyone is reasonable enough to not judge anyone based on their race and skin color.
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VitalFears In reply to ??? [2017-10-18 19:23:34 +0000 UTC]
"White people simply don't understand color or race..." I guess I'm unable to understand and have thoughtful/reasonable perspectives when it comes to issues other races are facing. Why? Because I'm a white man? lol
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BlackVinyl In reply to VitalFears [2017-10-18 19:29:30 +0000 UTC]
White people have never dealt with being non-white. So no you don't know.
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Tasorius2 In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-25 18:53:49 +0000 UTC]
Are you saying that in the history of the world, only black people have ever suffered, and only their feelings should be considered.
And meanwhile you can sit there and be a fucking racist towards white people in general.
You are thinking and acting like the people who treat black people badly simply because of their skin color.
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BlackVinyl In reply to Tasorius2 [2017-10-27 02:33:11 +0000 UTC]
I am done with this conversation. Have a good rest of your life.
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Tasorius2 In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-27 05:49:23 +0000 UTC]
Do you even realize that you are being extremely racist...?
"White people simply don't understand color or race..."
Unlike you, I understand that race doesn't say anything about what you know or who you are as a person.
I also understand that not only black people have suffered throughout history.
Just because black people where used as slaves primarily by white people in the past, and they are treated badly by white people, doesn't give them the right to judge all white people, or judge anyone over fan art, or even official things.
It's a racist thing to do, and the fact that you are ignoring that makes you even more of a hypocrite than you already were.
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BlackVinyl In reply to Tasorius2 [2017-10-27 14:39:15 +0000 UTC]
I didn't read any of your responses because, like I said, I'm done with the conversation. I said what I said. Not in the best way, but I stand by what I said. It's just a fan art, but it triggered me because this is not what I would think a female Black Panther would look like. This creator has the right to create whatever he or she wants to and there's going to be someone who has something say, whether it's good or bad.
But my final thought on this is that when it comes to race issues white people get pissed off when they are called out on their bullshit. This individual still has the right to create whatever he or she wants to but there's still going to be consequences when you take a Black character and not only gender swap it but the character doesn't even look Black. Lastly, yes, the very few Black characters, Black super heroes that are not stereotypical that we do have is being whitewashed in this person's deviation. I don't give a fuck about white characters being POC washed. There are so many white characters already if some are changed to be a different ethnicity so be it. I don't give a fuck about being considered extremely racist when calling out white people or non-Blacks for taking what's our and fucking it up. You know, you gotta ask yourself: why is this an issue in the first goddamn place? Because Blacks have unique history in the US and people like to act like the effects of an entire group of people being marginalized for centuries and still to this day doesn't have horrible after effects.
Oh, all white people aren't bad. The majority are. White people are the ones who run everything in the US. So if shits fucked up it's most likely their fault. We don't have universal healthcare. It's most likely a white person's fault. Flint, Michigan's water supply is poisoned? It's a white person's fault. Kids are extremely obese? It's probably a white person's fault. McDonald's food is not even food, but genetically modified mush? Probably a white person's fault. Yes, I think white people are the reason why a lot of things are wrong. But like I said, I'm done with this conversation.
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Axconoll In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-19 10:06:46 +0000 UTC]
You are the type of person that we, White People, describe when we talk about roles that have been White for over 70 YEARS and get changed into token POC characters and it's glorified but then turn around and see something that is, 'whitewashed' and go berserk. I'll give you a short list off the top of my head that were changed to POC roles. Mary Jane, Valkyrie, Liz Allan, Heimdall, Roland Deschain, Shocker, Deadshot, and the list goes on and on... OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT DOMINO COMING UP! THEY FUCKED HER UP COMPLETELY!!! ....... anyways...
AKA: POC-Washing or, if you want to be specific, Blackwashing/Asianwashing/Latinwashing/etc.
Let's get one thing straight you hypocrite. You have no idea what it is like to be a White Person in America these days. Here's how it is:
You wake up every day with the Media, POC Movie stars and comedians, Feminists (That are supposedly for equality.), and even you own teachers and schools telling you that the reason why the world is so messed up is because of you. A White Person. You are what's wrong with this world. You are what's wrong with this country. Why? Oh, it's because you're white. You are automatically racist, sexist, genocidal, and savage. Oh, it doesn't matter that you weren't born in the days of Slavery and Segregation. You're still to blame. You have no control over the past? Oh well. You're still a racist, homophobic, genocidal, sexist, savage living in a society where there's no proof that is built to cater to you but it does just because Black People and Minorities say it does... Oh, don't defend yourself. You're white. You're speaking from privilege, which has no proof either, so you're not allowed to comment on ANYTHING. You're not allowed to speak your mind, make criticisms of others, and, in this very example, make a historically Black Character White. However, if you see a Classic White Role changed for the sake of, 'diversity' then you don't get to speak. You're racist and sexist remember? You're White. You're not allowed to be offended over race. You've never experienced racism or oppression.
"Wait, Modern Black People weren't alive during Slavery and a majority of them have lived long enough to now have the same rights as everyone else. Their children are completely equal to White People. Their Children have never experienced racism at an institutional level and have NEVER faced oppression... Also, what if I have been targeted just because the color of my skin??"
Oh, silly White Person, don't you see? Black People can't be racist. They don't come from a position of power to enforce their racist prejudices. Also, Institutional Racism still exists and minorities are still very much oppressed. Don't ask how, you wouldn't understand. You're White. Don't ask either because NO ONE will tell you what Institutional Racism is and they'll tell you just to research it yourself.
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I could write an entire book about the hypocrisies people like you spew from your mouths. I'll settle with the topic at hand though.
Fuck you for bringing up Whitewashing when you won't stand up against your fellow POCs who are living up to the double standards that exist for them and stealing traditionally WHITE Characters instead of making their own characters themselves. So as soon as you condemn THOSE actions and speak out against it, THEN you can come out speak out against Whitewashing.
Me, personally, I'm against ANYTHING that goes against source material. If a character is described or depicted as White, they STAY White. If there's a character that is described or depicted as Black, they STAY Black. If there's a character that is described or depicted as gay, they STAY gay. I don't like seeing someone change shit up unless it is purposefully a different reality that is MADE to change things. For the Marvel's MCU they pick and choose what they want to depict and it bothers me. Either you change all of it up, or you keep it all the same... I don't like this in-between garbage. Peter Parker is a straight White Guy, Mary Jane is a red haired straight White Girl, Valkyrie is straight and white, DOMINO IS FUCKING WHITE AS WHITE CAN GET LITERALLY, and etc.... Yet here we are with Homecoming changing MJ into Michelle Jones who's a latin chick... (I do respect that they made a brand new character though but the MJ is too convenient. Just make her someone COMPLETELY new and I'd be more okay about it.) Then there's so many other things going on that is just... ugh... Regardless, I can care less about what one artist does on a website made for ARTISTS compared to directors and hiring managers that make the conscious decision to cater to POCs by changing a classic role into something it never was supposed to be.... Anway, I'm done with this rant. So come back and say anything if you can. I'd honestly like to see what excuses you can cook up. I'll be here and waiting.
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BlackVinyl In reply to Axconoll [2017-10-20 00:56:18 +0000 UTC]
When I saw that they were going to make a superhero movie with a predominantly Black cast. I was surprised. Black Panther is canonically Black. I am not aware of the other characters who have been changed to POC not being originally a POC. I really didn't care for comic book characters until the reign of superhero movies made them a part of main stream culture. Anyway.
Recently within the outcry and outrage of Black people, particularly Black men getting executed by police - police who are sworn to protect and serve the people in the communities they are assigned to - there is all of a sudden this "awakening" of discriminatory practices that have been going on way before smartphones became what they are today.
The US has nearly 200,000,000 whites, so I understand why the media and almost everything is centered on white faces. They are the majority. I think it's funny that you have the audacity to try to make it seem like your life is so hard because now people are holding whites accountable for the systemic failures of Black people. A system that has historically and severely shit on Blacks.
You and many people like you don't understand all the atrocities done to Black people and how it has continuously stopped them from being whole. As they say the winners write history. People like you don't like being attacked because according to you, you didn't enslave anyone, your parents didn't enslave anyone, but the truth is that doesn't matter. You still benefit from those slaves just like I do. My ancestors died, were murdered, were raped, were violated and sold like cattle and survived long enough for my Black ass to be here. But you know why you benefit more than I do? Once upon time someone who looked just like you had slaves and was able to build a fortune from that. After emancipation proclamation when the whites could no longer own and sell slaves, now Blacks can be treated even worst and killed at will. When Black people were finally given their freedom they weren't allowed to live like white people, they couldn't take care of themselves like white people take care of themselves and their families. African people were unfortunately sold by other Africans to white people to get a jump on this new country called the US. So after over 400 years of enslavement and being stripped of their culture, religion, and any iota of respect. They are now left to fend for themselves. After being used up and broken down now white people want to make Blacks lives harder because we are no longer slaves and cheap labor.
Over the next 150 years, Black people are continuously being condemned, satirized, dehumanized by minstrel shows, cultural appropriation and the oh so bullshit ass exclamation of white people saying dumb shit like "I don't see color". No, you see what you like it and want to take it for yourself. (See Kim Kardashian, Kylie Jenner, Iggy Azalea).
See this is what I am talking about you don't think you have privilege because whites have this domed off reality of what is normal regular life for them. POC just live around the perception of reality based on whiteness. You don't think there's proof that the US way of life doesn't cater to you? Watch Fox, go back to the Bush administration 2000-2008, our current president, read this: features.propublica.org/bankru… . White success runs on Black failure.
Black people have the highest rate of unemployment in this country, especially Black men. Black men also have the highest rate of incarceration in this country. Is it because they're all thugs, drug dealers and gang members? Hmm, you remember what I told you about when Emancipation Proclamation came about and "freed the slaves"? Let's go back there. White people weren't hiring Blacks. Why would white people who paid for slaves to work for them for free and owned them as property start paying them a wage? A livable wage at that? No, it took quite some time for Blacks to live proper decent lives after Emancipation Proclamation. So, those Black men who were selling drugs were most likely doing it because no one else, since whites owned almost everything, would hire them. I would like you to look up what Black lives were like after Emancipation. Here's another food for thought. Black people lost their identity as soon as they became slaves so all the Williams, Jamisons, Gibsons, Johnsons, Adams and other European last names that Blacks still have today remind us of our enslavement.
This is a very small crumb of the atrocities and severe injustices Blacks suffered. Oh, but that was a loooong time ago. Look up the Willie Lynch letter. You are probably the same person who wouldn't think twice about saying anything to Holocaust survivors and descendants. That didn't even happen in the US and Obama before he left office signed reparations for those survivors. But back to changing the ethnicities of characters. You're trying to tell me I am a hypocrite because you think you know I wouldn't say anything about a canonically white character being changed to Puerto Rican or Black. You're right I wouldn't because unless that characters ethnicity, race, color or culture heavily influenced and was the center of their character I wouldn't care if it were changed. The movie Brave is centered on Scottish people. It wouldn't make any sense to make that character Puerto Rican without changing up the entire story and characters. Tiana's story is centered on a working class poor Black young woman with a rich white friend. Black Panther is centered on an African Prince. So what is Deadshot’s story? What is Mary Jane's story? What is April O'Neil’s story? See here's the thing when you talk about shows with white people there is rarely race involved because they're white. A lot of US TV rarely revolves around cultures like Italian, Russian, or even Polish ways of life. So, it's easier to swap out those characters for POC, but somehow being a POC, stereotypes are swiftly integrated for some reason. So what I am trying to say here is US white characters have very little to do with whiteness unless it's a period piece or there is a characteristic of whiteness that people believe POC would not have which is not true. I understand why the characters in the show The OC were all white. It focused around young, reckless, white wealthy people doing things that the average Black person could only dream of because of the economic disparities we bare. Also, any Black person caught doing half the shit these white people were doing would be under the jail.
But you're the victim because you're white? Okay.
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Axconoll In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-20 06:08:35 +0000 UTC]
Alright, I’m going to reply to this in categories. It’s easier that way so that I can cover all the bases. So gather ‘round, gather ‘round and lets get started. (Though before we start I wanna say that I wrote ALL of this while being distracted without my head in the game. I may come off as rude or very, uh, cold, but that wasn't my intention. I'm just tired of this cultural race war. I would rather see unification as Americans rather than Whites vs Blacks and Men vs Women. I see everyone as Americans First then whatever their race is second. In America they are my fellow countrymen and while I'll respect them all, I do not have to sit down and let people spread lies and create an environment that leads to the victimization of young people, which hinders them more than it helps them.)
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America and The Bad Cop.
Alright, as you’ve brought up the discussion about Cops and Cops killing Black individuals I’ll take a jab at that one first. Fairly easy, actually. According to the FBI Database in 2013, Blacks Committed up to 50% of all Murders in the country, based off convictions/arrests, and committed up to 35-45% of all violent crime in the United States of America. Adjusting this for the population of the USA, Black Individuals have a higher chance, per capita, to be a violent criminal. Those are startling numbers. Out of the 300 Million people in the USA and a population that isn’t even 15% of it commits up to 50% of all murders? Granted those are estimates because getting definite numbers in such detail is rather difficult to gather and takes time. Let’s move onto another study then, shall we?
In 2014 the Bureau of Justice released a study; Non-Fatal Violent Victimization 2008-2012.
“-Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
-Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
-The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
-Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
-Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
-Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).”
If you adjust those numbers you’re looking at the data you come up with the same conclusion, again, that Black People, Per Capita, are more likely to be violent criminals than White People.
Now, think on this from another mathematical point of view. If Black Individuals, PER CAPITA, are more likely to be criminals or to show violent tendencies and come into a confrontation with an Officer of The Law that is authorized to use deadly force if met with deadly threats… What does that mean? It means that you’re going to be shot by the cop if you’re caught being a criminal and are violent. It’s almost like acting like jackasses and committing crime in the first place is bad.
Now, let’s talk about the fact that being killed by the cops is not a very common thing. Out of ALL the confrontations with police officers in the USA PER YEAR. Let’s start for this year for example. It’s easier to find CURRENT numbers but according to the Washington Post, a very biased source to begin with, 782 people have died by cop. 300+ are White. 180+ are Black. The rest are other. Out of ALL of them only 5% of ALL deaths are of people that are unarmed. Only five percent. Coupled with Black People that’s 2% of them that were killed and we unarmed. Were they fleeing? Let’s see… Only 6 of the 12 unarmed Black Men were Fleeing. It won’t let me filter much further but I can guarantee something… People are NOT shot by the cops for NO REASON. If they are, it is by the VERY low minority of BAD COPS there are. The rest of them that die for no reason are either by poorly trained cops or racist cops, and I’m sure that the racist cops are, again, in the minority of cases. I'd say maybe only a HANDFUL of people die are shot by the few bad cops there are out there. A handful out of the hundreds. - If you wanna play around with the site, there you go. www.washingtonpost.com/graphic…
Now tell me. Out of 45 MILLION Black People based on their percentage of population, is 182 people killed 10 months into a year an epidemic? How many of them were criminals? How many of them were carrying guns illegally? How many of them were doing something that CAUSED them to be under the scope of the police? I’m not saying that they deserved to die, but of those 182 people, I doubt for a SECOND that any of them were truly innocent… They made their choices. They’re dead. No one forced them, or anyone, to do crime on the levels that they do. They choose to do that themselves. There’s NO excuse. None. ZERO excuses for that. Also, I'd like to say another thing. NOT EVERY CONFRONTATION WITH THE COPS ARE THE SAME. They ALL have different factors that come into play. The same goes for arrests and shootings... I can promise you that NO ONE is killed by cops simply for walking down the street or thrown into jail for no reason. (Except for maybe Drug Related Crimes. I personally think Decriminalization of Drugs should DEFINITELY be a thing... It's retarded at this point to continue the prohibition on them when they allow alcohol, which is worse than weed itself, to be legal.)
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Being White is Hard? Who being held accountable?
Alright, lemme give you a DIRECT QUOTE from my reply. “You have no idea what it is like to be a White Person in America these days.” Never once did I say that it was HARDER or EASIER or THAT I WAS A VICTIM. I said that you have no idea what it is LIKE. You were telling someone that White people don’t know or understand what it is like to be Non-White, so I went and told you that you don’t know how it is to be WHITE. I’m not the one trying to be a victim here. I’m simply using your own argument against you. There are two sides to one coin. You say I don’t know how it is to be non-white, fine. I’m saying you don’t know what it’s like to be white. Being called racist, sexist, savage, and evil simply because the fucking color of your skin. Reference back to my reply and learn a little bit. It’s a real eye opener.
As for, “-make it seem like your life is so hard because now people are holding whites accountable for the systemic failures of Black People.” How is that working out for you? Accusing people who have NO control of the past isn’t getting you far. It’s why we have the dumbass Trump-kin President. This, ‘Awakening,’ has done NOTHING but make things worse. Accusing innocence to be guilty for things out of their control does nothing but make enemies. It doesn’t unify, it doesn’t heal, it doesn’t help us move on. It brings us closer and closer to the tensions there were before. You’re taking people BACK to the fucking 1960s and prior. This is what happens when you accuse people who have no control over anything but their own lives that THEY are what is wrong with this country and why Black People are poor and commit crime when they themselves have had NO part in it… None… The more you do this shit, the more people will consider Black People the way they are starting to be seen. Nothing but whining babies needing big daddy government, a parallel to the White Slave Owner, to take care of them… To give them stuff so they can live. It not only hurts Black People to do this, but it also hurts White People who’ve had NOTHING to do with the argument itself and are just seen and judged by the color of their skin by Black People. NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Nothing. Wanna know why?
Division = Destruction
Unity = Invincibility
Since when did people stop seeing themselves as Americans and as Blacks and Whites first…? Oh… right… people wanting to cash in on the victimhood status.
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I Benefit More, huh? Oh, and Privilege too? I’m Learning A Lot Today.
History 101: Do you know of the Barbary Slave Trade? Do you know of the Arab Slave Trade? Do you know of the Asian Slave Trades?
Barbars kidnapped MILLIONS of Europeans over centuries. 8 out of 10 Europeans died at the hands of the North African Slavers. The Modern Barbers, in the land of Mauritania, is known to have 8 million people. Of those 8 million, up to 24% of them are either slaves or live in slave-like conditions. They FINALLY made Slavery Illegal within the last 12 years I think. In 2012 they FINALLY arrested the first Slave Owner… These people are Africans… They are enslaving other Africans and surely European Descendants. My people. It is even estimated that up to 700 Americans were slaves to these people near the end of their notorious slave trades. Now tell me again… How do the American people not understand the atrocities of Slavery? Like your people, mine were slaves too. There are tales, records, and first hand accounts on both sides of these horrific eras in time. Accounts trail back to even Roman Times when it comes to the Barber Slave Markets…
Now, of course, you’re referring to the Slave Trade in America which is definitely more recent, however to try and paint it as White People have never been slaves, which you’re implying that we haven’t been and don’t have knowledge of the horror of it, is idiotic and unintelligent. Americans in Modern Times DEFINITELY understand the atrocities. The fucking media, our teachers, comedians, movie stars, and so on won’t let us fucking forget now do they?! They like to get on comment sections and blast White People with these things as if they haven’t been reminded yet that they’re racist, sexist, and evil people for being White and, “-the truth is that it doesn’t matter. (that you didn’t enslave anyone, your parents didn’t enslave anyone.)” They’re still considered racists… regardless of what is said.
Also, I benefit from Slavery? Pray tell how? I was born 130 years AFTER Slavery was Abolished, 30 years after the Civil Rights Acts. I’m the descendant of Coal Miners, WWII Vets, Biologists, Missionaries, Theologians, and a Native American. A Native American that was exiled from his Tribe because he loved and married a White Woman. My Family Line has never seen significant wealth or fame or owned ANY slaves. Any. My father is the first one in his family line to ever have a stable life and that was after serving in the military for over 20 years. So. Please. If I have ANY benefits that I can cash in, it would be nice. I have to pay out of pocket for my education too. So, again, I wanna know where I can get these benefits.
If you’re implying that White People as a whole benefitted from Slavery, that is true. History proves it, but up to a point. I would say that up until the 1960s White People benefitted from the failures of Black People. Afterwards, after they (Black People) were granted 100% equality under the law and in the workplace, they no longer have anyone else to lean on but themselves. White People were no longer legally allowed to discriminate against them and over the past fifty years they’ve come farther than they ever have before. You have seen a Black President for TWO TERMS, Movie Stars, CEOs, Athletes, Authors, Directors, Store Owners, etc. You have Black Officers, Generals, Soldiers, and so on. How could ANY OF THEM have the success that they do if there was such a thing as White Privilege, Institutional Racism, and oppression. Tell me. Actually, here. I’ll let Larry Elder explain it for me. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf-_Oy… Time from 3:22 to 4:09. TLDR if you can’t give your attention for not even a minute; There is no Institutional Racism or Oppression. I would link you to a LONG Video where Elder speaks about his life experiences and family history but I know you won’t watch it. It is VERY inspiring to listen to and earns GREAT respect from me, personally, for the hardships his family had to go through. Actually, here’s a link. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oww-4w… It’s 30 minutes or so long but if want to listen to an educated Black Man speak truth, there it is.
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150 Years of Progress or Regress?
To be more accurate, I’d say that the Black People being continuously satirized and dehumanized by minstrel shows and things of that nature ended around the same time the Civil Rights Acts were signed. Well… The MAINSTREAM ones did anyway. A lot of them are under lock and key now for being racist and insensitive to Black People. Name one Modern film or play or work of art that is to ANY level of those prior to the sixties. Please. I BEG you to show me a scrap of evidence of it. I’ll save you the trouble though… there is none. If they ARE out there, they are small pieces of film that are ignored and criticized by ALL people.
Oh, don’t even get me started on cultural appropriation. First of all, Kim Kardashian isn’t fucking white. She’s Albanian or has a lot of it in her. They now live in Greece and Italy or in that region but are historically known to exist closer to the Turks. Some of them look white, other’s don’t. There’s actually a lot of debate about if Albanians are white or not but a lot of people in the region don’t consider them white. As for Iggy and Kylie, of which I know next to nothing about, I couldn’t give two fucks. HOWEVER, if we are gonna talk about style and shit, then what about those weaves that Black Women wear? Those European Styled haircuts? The hair colors? I could go on but imma stop there. BUT how about this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwr2p… Start from 7:13 to 16:23. This is obviously talking about Indian people appropriating several different cultures, but it’s easily translatable. The circumstances that slaves were left in forced them to abandoned their identities, as you say they did, it doesn’t change the fact that they, as a people, adopted Western Culture to this day. You sit there at your computer benefiting from Western Culture, of which none of it is of your own origin. Black Culture is NOT African. It’s AMERICAN. It is WESTERN. Nothing of your modern culture resembles anything from Africa minus those who’ve brought over practices to get back to their roots from their continent of origin AFTER they were freed. So, therefore, how can Americans appropriate Black Culture when it’s American Culture? You are no more less American than a White person is. Also, if you’re allowed to bitch over culture appropriation can’t we go over to Asia, portions of Africa, and demand that they cease their appropriation of Western Culture?
With your logic if I moved to Japan, a VERY openly racist nation and very proud nation, would the Japanese have Japanese Privilege? If I moved to Africa would the Africans have African Privilege? If I moved to England would they have English Privilege? If I moved to Russia would they have Russian Privilege? If I lived in a predominantly Black Town would those Black People have Black Privilege? If ANY of that is true, then how is it fixable? Is it even a problem? Explain all of this to me because out of EVERYONE I debate this topic with, no one can accurately define to me what White Privilege is or proof of it. No one can define Institutional Racism to me or give me proof of it.
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Unemployment and Incarceration
Unemployment is it’s own monster to begin with and affects ALL races and has to do with Economics. Not just Black People. However, would you stop to think that perhaps it’s the education within the Black Community that leads to this large unemployment crises in the Black Community? Education meaning Blacks Educating other Blacks. Leading themselves out of the hole they’ve been digging for themselves after the Civil Rights Acts of 1964. Speaking of which, they’d been dragging themselves out of the hole they’d been tossed in up to that point. I wonder what changed…
As for incarceration in this country, refer to the study I showed you earlier where poor urban Black People were just as violent as poor White People, but per capita they are more likely to be criminals than White People. It’s numbers. There may be more White People in America, but it seems that Black Americans still commit a LOT of the crime. I’m glad to say that Dropout Rates and Black Criminality is SLOWLY going down over time. Black People are graduating more and more each year, (though I dunno if that is because they are truly graduating or the school is passing them on purpose.) and trends are showing that Blacks are starting to become less and less violent.
With that being said, I personally believe that our Criminal Justice System is REALLY messed up and in need of reform. New laws, punishments, and reformation in general… There are some people that are sentenced unfairly that don’t deserve it while others get punished too lightly. However, each case is different just like how each interaction with the police is different and how ever arrest is different. Not one case = all cases. I think that the Criminal Justice System is probably the only racist institution there is, but, again, you cannot simply saw that it is the entire system because each state and county has its own justice system and is made up of a lot of compartmentalized groups of individuals. Again, I do think that it needs reformation all the same.
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Holocaust Survivors/Descendants and Back To Our Scheduled Programming
If that letter is short, I’ll read it. If it’s long… no promises. As for me being the type of person saying anything to Holocaust Survivors or Descendants of them… What? I mean, I would definitely be more willing to accept their complaints and hear them out as they are FIRST HAND SURVIVORS OF ATTEMPTED GENOCIDE. I can actually SPEAK to them. If slavery ended 70 years ago and not 150 or so years ago, I’d be more willing to listen to all the complaints that Black People have. However, that’s not the case. Black People have been free for a few generations by now to the point that no one knows of how first hand slavery was FROM EXPERIENCE. Holocaust survivors on the other hand EXPERIENCED SHIT. As for their descendants… I dunno much to say about them as they didn’t experience it and it is hard to say if they’ve been affected by it. I’d need to do research but judging by how Europe is now, I’d say that the Jews are more or less in a better place than they were RIGHT after the war. Obviously. It’s exactly how I view Black People these days. They’ve never experienced Slavery and the ones that have felt oppression sure don’t feel it now. They may have been AFFECTED by it, but 50 years is more than enough time to pull yourself out of any situation. Hell, 10 years is enough for someone to pull themselves out of a shit situation. This is why I don’t hold Black Complaints in high regard. I listen to it, but it’s the same shit over and over. It’s been 50 years since segregation ended. That’s a Lifetime for most people. A lifetime is long enough to pull yourself and your family out of the gutter. Yet again, I have to reference to Larry Elder as his father grew up during Segregation and the entire video explains his life. Modern Black Kids though, or people that around around 30 years old... Nope… I’m sorry, but they are 30 years old. They’ve had 12 long years to get themselves to a better place after highschool… Are you saying that their situation is worse than, lets say, Barak Obama who became freaking President? And Obama is definitely older than 30…
Now back to the characters. (Fucking Finally.) Again, I’ll refer back to my original reply and let’s see if you get it this time. “I'm against ANYTHING that goes against source material. If a character is described or depicted as White, they STAY White. If there's a character that is described or depicted as Black, they STAY Black. If there's a character that is described or depicted as gay, they STAY gay. I don't like seeing someone change shit up unless it is purposefully a different reality that is MADE to change things.” Also, you’re telling me that you’re okay with LAZY writing, diversity for the sake of diversity (Catering and pandering), POC-Washing, but you’re pissed when someone changes a role that was originally a POC role… I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. Hypocrite. With your logic it would be okay for me to change Static Shock into a white kid. After all, his role could have easily been played by a white person. Ooo! Cyborg even could be changed into a White Guy! Cyborg’s race doesn’t have much to do with the character either. Oh, and I could change Silk, or Cindy Moon, too! Hell, I could change John Stewart (My Favorite Green Lantern by the way.) into a white role. His race played little into his character. You know why I wouldn’t do that though if I was in that position? Not because I would get backlash or death threats from fanatics, but because I respect the fucking characters and the source material. THat’s something that people like you don’t get. Respect. The. Source. Material. The creator obviously intends the character to be a certain way upon creation. If they are okay with changing it, then fine, people can change it all they want. However, I simply see it as lazy writing and, you’ll like this, appropriation of a character that’s already been created. So, sure, go ahead and continue to be a hypocrite. It just shows that you have no respect for intellectual property or classical characters.
I'd like to add one thing as well. I don't get mad at Gender Swapped+Race Swapped pictures online of characters I love. That doesn't bother me at all because it is one, singular, artist's re-defined interpretation of a character. Their personal blend and twist on the character of what they'd like to see. Now it gets to the point that I get mad when the people DEMAND that they, the studios, change the characters I love into Black or Asian or whatever other race you can think of simply for the sake of Diversity... Like. NO. Fuck off and go make your own character or characters to pitch to the studio or something. Stop trying to change established characters. When an Author made my favorite character gay, out of nowhere with NO hints to it whatsoever, I was disappointed and mad, but I respected the Author's choices and didn't go out of my god damn way to get others to stamp their feet and make them straight! I have no right to demand that of an author or creator, and neither do you. So if you're one of those people, fuck off. You don't deserve to be a part of shit like this if you're trying to change everything because you think you have a right to a character just because your skin color is different and you NEED a character that looks like you. If that is the case, demand that they ADD a new character ffs... Not CHANGE one... (Unless you're a supernatural fan then.... you can have Shifters... They can be anyone. Man, Woman, Black, White. You name it, it can shift it.) Anyway... THat's my say so on all of this. Again, it is not my intention to offend or sound cold or unreasonable, but I'm tired of the double standards. Respect the source material or make your own characters. That's my final comment on all of this.
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BlackVinyl In reply to Axconoll [2017-10-20 20:41:40 +0000 UTC]
I'm not going to write another essay to your response, but I appreciate the civility. We just look at things differently and that's okay. This was just about a fan art and this artist has the right to create whatever he or she wishes too. Have a nice weekend.
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Axconoll In reply to BlackVinyl [2017-10-21 08:52:19 +0000 UTC]
I apologize for its length, I know it's a hefty read for a simple deviant comment, and I want to apologize for the harshness in my tone of writing. It was never my intention to be rude or to offend. I was frustrated with how the country is today in modern times and how I would rather see people getting along and focusing on things that matter over skin color. Like Remember The Titans... I just wanna see a unified America but I don't want people to live life seeing things from only one perspective. It is healthy to look at issues from every angle and I actively go out of my way to listen to political and social topics that I do not agree with and don't want to hear so that I can truly see everything from every angle. That is the only way you can grow as a person and to educate yourself.
Anyway, I want to apologize once more with the utmost sincerity for my language and tone throughout that entire response. I was just letting my emotions get the best of me and it was immature of me. I hope that whoever reads any of this afterwards understands the messages I am trying to convey in a more respectful light. These topics are very serious and very relevant and I simply wished to show the other view of things.
All in all, yes, we simply see things differently and, as you say, it's okay. It's good to see the point of view of others from time to time and I hope you too have a nice weekend.
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ChrissyLacat In reply to Axconoll [2017-10-19 15:31:56 +0000 UTC]
AS an African American I approve said rant from the white american For once someone who knows what they're talking about
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Zer0Mechan1sm In reply to ??? [2017-10-18 09:39:54 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely phenomenal job, as always!
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hannibus42 In reply to ??? [2017-10-18 04:22:30 +0000 UTC]
Thought it was Catwoman till I read the title.
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Pescei In reply to ??? [2017-10-17 23:15:30 +0000 UTC]
Let's not bring race and color into this please. Let's just enjoy the art. It's a spectacular piece, the artist chose this color for a reason, if you don't like it, then leave. Black Panther is badass no matter what, let's just keep that aspect about the character. We all know he's black, I personally love seeng different artists's perspectives on characters of all races and ethnicities
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FURHEHE In reply to ??? [2017-10-17 20:31:54 +0000 UTC]
I mean this is sexy but It would still be sexy if she was Black.
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Blitzeruo In reply to FURHEHE [2017-10-17 20:47:10 +0000 UTC]
How do you know that she isn't? Does her a skin have to be charcoal black to be one?
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BlackVinyl In reply to Blitzeruo [2017-10-18 17:06:30 +0000 UTC]
Black people have a variety of skin tones, but this is definitely not a Black woman depicted as a female Black panther. This is a non-Black woman. Just like someone else commented, this is similar to all the other fair skin individuals this person has drawn.
Hell yes she needs to look Black for this to be an acceptable Black Panther female version. Otherwise this is just a white bitch who looks like she's wearing a Black Panther costume. Yes, I called a bunch of pixels with no feelings a white bitch because fair skin women are always represented and we rarely see darker skin women or characters in general. So for this artist to stupidly pass this off as Black Panther, I hope they get a shit storm.
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Nonochy2 In reply to Blitzeruo [2017-10-17 22:35:19 +0000 UTC]
Charcoal black? I hope that was a joke -_-
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BlackVinyl In reply to Nonochy2 [2017-10-18 17:15:47 +0000 UTC]
You know this person was not joking. White people like to whitewash and think of it as perfectly acceptable because whites live in a society that put them on a pedestal and conditions them to believe anything not American white or European white is subpar, subhuman and to be dominated by whiteness.
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Luciandra-Michaelis In reply to Blitzeruo [2017-10-17 21:14:26 +0000 UTC]
I mean the facial features are almost the same to all of the white characters they have drawn, so I can see why they were confused.
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FURHEHE In reply to Blitzeruo [2017-10-17 20:49:33 +0000 UTC]
Well that's true it might just be lighting, she could be black now that I think about it.
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rick-hart In reply to MrsUchihaKarin [2017-10-17 18:09:58 +0000 UTC]
looks like catwoman but with vibranium.
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MrsUchihaKarin In reply to rick-hart [2017-10-18 10:39:13 +0000 UTC]
I know xd i just hoped she would also draw karin uzumaki once. I love her style and this character. A match up would be amazinh
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luner-tigher In reply to ??? [2017-10-17 16:52:47 +0000 UTC]
that looks so cool and awesome looking so well done on that =3
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Crazed-Artist In reply to ??? [2017-10-17 16:10:17 +0000 UTC]
She doesn't like she's from Wakanda at all, lol...
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Tasorius2 In reply to Crazed-Artist [2017-10-25 18:59:01 +0000 UTC]
Looks like the Black Panthers evolved beyond one race and one person as a hero at the time.
I guess they reached absolute equality and made a team of Black Panthers, and race no longer matters in the future.
They accomplished what they wanted to accomplish, and didn't stop there.
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