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Published: 2005-04-08 15:50:34 +0000 UTC; Views: 1824; Favourites: 11; Downloads: 46
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Okay, I drew this one up during the car ride to Fargo a long while back. I had just seen one of the most awesome (and surprising) episodes of the latter half of the series the night before and I eventually changed the text to match the parts that I didn't get.And, during that time I was taking health and learning about all sorts of stupid syndromes and disorders (like HealthSucksatitis). So, I developed a syndrome based off of the way I became obsessed with analyzing Big O to find out the theme. Though I finally did find the theme, my brain exploded several times along the way.
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We've accepted that in both the matx and in Big O the world is nothing more than a computer program. that, and during one of rogers flashbacks, we see a winged being in the back ground in the shadows and it is a large entity. We think this to bangel who may have control over the world but lost her control after the war thereby losing heremories of even making and controlling the world.
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At least you figured it out somewhat. I'm still as confused as ever about what the hell happened in the final episodes...
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Ha ha ha ha, ah this is the funniest thing ive seen all day 
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My reaction to the end of the last episode, summed up: Wait so the... wait, huh? What the hell is that? Why did... Didn't that... Why is there... So... What... Where is... What's... AUGH!!! *head explosion*
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Yeah, it definitely merits a few watch-throughs. >.<
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I'm still trying to figure what the deal with the World in Big O is... And the tie in to the real world... Roger's memories of being a pilot in a war... Damn you, Adult Swim for not giving us a third season!!! ;_; You should add another sympton to your syndrome... Heartbreak... ;_; So MANY things unresolved! ;_;
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I've kind of accepted that it is what it is; it's still fantastic.
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It sure is, but I'm greedy... XD I want to know MORE! MORE about the World! MORE about the aftermath! MOOOOOOOORE!!!! ;_; I also wanted to see Dorothy loosen up and for some resolution of the whole Angel/Dorothy/Roger triangle. But that's just me. [SHRUGS]
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I think the series resolved enough of the origin to end it, but the ending really left it too open...
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I have no idea what happened at the end of that show, either...
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I've never been able to really analyze things, but you did an excellent job with your analysis. 
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Some part of me wanted that scene to consist of Roger just saying that in the most blatant way possible.
Thanks for the 
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ha haa... poor nate with his big O syndrome-ness. 'tis nifty. i like the tomato talkin tv dude thingy.
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Yes, Big O is somewhat like heroin in that your body eventually becomes dependent upon it. The difference is that it makes you think instead of killing you.
And the tomato thing is making fun of the main character finding out that he was an artificially created person, or a "tomato." I just oversimplified it to make it funny.
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Tomatoes represent memories.
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No! The tomatos represent the children bred for the high purpose of being megadeus hosts.
In episode 13, R.D.(Red Destiny) asked Roger, who commands you Roger Smith? Roger was in independent through out the series, not being controled by the former director, the one who bred the children, Gordon Rosewater. Alex Rosewater was one of the tomatos, and the hope to end the cycle of memories was in the hands of Roger and Angel.
Roger realized the truth of his independance, Angel was convinced by Roger that she was too and did not need to follow the script. Gordon Rosewater by the way IS Big Venus. If you look closely between the two pictures you can see the head and face are similar. The souls of the Megadeuses are probably independents from past cycles, enabling the megadeuses to act on their own.
!!! I'm thinking mostly as I go on
But The Big O!!! Double thumbs up, my favorite anime of all time. When it was aired on toonami, it was awesome, but no one noticed it. *tear* I joined Paradigm-City.com fourms a while later. And what'd ya know! It was called back to adult swim for a second season a couple months later! Debates went CRAZY each episode and we had so many users on during the last episode. It was awesome >.< So many theorys on what it all ment. One guy found Alex Rosewater being a Jesus-Hitler. It was awesome. Golden Days.
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Aha, but we're both right! Tomatoes represent memories and the people who are known as tomatoes are also memories themselves. Since they're supposed to be embodied with memories, tomatoes can represent both. This can be noted by Gordon Rosewater noting about tomatoes that, "it's a shame to let them ripen and become rotten," (to gather memories and forget them).
Also, the Big Venus is supposed to be Angel--"A bird whose wings have been plucked will shed all of its feathers and return to the creature it was before it evolved into a bird." Given that Angel is a character known to have the scars in wing shape on her back, along with the robot, it seems to suggest that it is she. Furthermore, when the Big Venus approaches Roger, he begins speaking to Angel in an attempt to stop it, showing that he sees a connection between the two.
I think a lot of the speculation may be incorrect, however, because the series is apparently intended to have at least one more season left. I can only assume that the very strange ending will be resolved in this; that is, if they can ever get Cartoon Network to give them funding. I hope they do get that funding...*sigh*
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Sometimes I think the writers of the Big O, the Ghost in the Shell movies too, just like to screw with us 
But I see your tomato memory analysis! There are so many different theorys that can make sense.
But what I love most about the series... is that Roger Smith just lets go of the questions he encounters in season 1. He doesn't pursue them, and lets life go on around him.
One more season, I think actually season 2 would be a good place to stop. But...if they can pull it off and figure out some sort of storyline that would be as impressive as Seasons 1 and 2, without seeming like they are over doing it, than I'm all for it. But I can't possibly think of a way they could pull it off.
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Well, there might be something more they wish to say to finish their commentary in the series. If that is so, they need to make the rest--otherwise, they really should leave it well enough alone.
I find it strange when I read people talking online about how Paradigm city was formed. I think part of the point was that it wasn't so much important how it was created as to what it really means. Also, I find it fun to just watch some episodes and pick up little scenes that seem to explain themes: for example, the idea of people avoiding instinct by using their memories through the phrase and scene of not opening umbrellas in the rain.
Ghost in the Shell is awesome, as well. Although it's a little grim, it does a good job of exploring the idea of what constitutes humanity in a world of humanoid robots and cyborg bodies, as well as how to define individuality when communication systems blur one's own thoughts from those of others.
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LOL. I would like to know what Big O's theme is... though I've learned from personal experience and several head explosions that you really shouldn't look too deep into Big O.
....I REALLY want that alarm clock. XD :tomato:
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Uh, that was a television; hence the image on the screen making fun of the scene where Roger finds out that he's a "tomato."
But did you figure out the theme?
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Oh, uh, sorry.
The only theme I got was that big robots are cool, android chicks are hot, and tomatos... well, eat more tomatos.... As for the deeper meaning, the lost memories, androids and humans, etc., it hurst my brain... O.o
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The tomatoes were supposed to be a symbol for memories. In one episode Gordon Rosewater says that it's a shame to let them grow and then let them wither (referencing the shame of developing memories then losing them).
Androids, I think, are supposed to represent those who accept their place in life as predetermined and unable to be changed. Dorothy is supposed to be one android who represents the freeness of life, while simultaneously giving an element of human nature to androids. She reminds me of a character from I, Robot in which the definition of humans and android counterparts are blurred.
The theme that I mainly got was that memories are not at all necessary for human existence. However, without memories humans become nothing more than actors playing parts on a stage and completely obeying their instinct. Those with memories, on the other hand, are able to violate their instincts and be stronger people as a result. But those who rely wholly on their memories are weak individuals, as shown by the fight scene between Roger and Alex (if you look at some of the symbolism). In the end, the creators want to say that memories are a way for people to feel secure but that those who can accept themselves for who they are at this moment are stronger people than those who rely upon memories.
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O_O That's quite alright.... and my God that's profound! I'll never look at Big O the same way again.... come to think of it, if Adult Swim doesn't wise up I won't ever see Big O again, or *sniff* Trigun....
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(1) You ability to dig such profound meaning from Big O is awe-inspiring.
(2) CN doesn't show Big O anymore, that I know of. I work evenings 'till 12am now so I'm usually too beat to watch anything. Come to think of it, I can't even remember the last time I actually stayed up for the Adult Swim... months ago?
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Actually, Big O is on at 12:30 and Trigun is back on at 12:00.
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O.O really? >
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You compliment me, I, uh...give you a television schedule?
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(is that the first time I've held up both a thumbs-up AND a peace sign? While XD-ing? Perhaps not.)
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