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February 3鬼(oni)=Ogre? Demon?
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Looks really cool, nice work, he's a little pale at the start but the end result looks boss, his club even grew!
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It'll be better if it's Oni than Ogre in the title. Helps in understanding what it is. If you call it Ogre people would imagine either Shrek or the warty Tolkien ones. It would also lessen your culture by forcing it into a Western idea. It's sort of like an Ogre, sort of like a Demon, but it's an Oni, it's its own mythical creature of Japanese culture, not a cookie cut out of a Western idea.
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Don't think Tolkein had Ogres, and to be fair, ogres and trolls are those fantasy things that noone really has a definitive clue how to do
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There is a some clue actually. Ogres are said to be large dumb ugly brutes who eat people who live at the mountains while trolls are said to be ugly things who live places away from sunlight, also eats people.
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Ah, yeah I didnt mean getting them confused with one another, I meant you get the hairy troll depictions, the giant trolls, the many headed trolls, y'know, same name different ideas under a vague mould.
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The problem is that this is clearly an Oni, not a Ogre, a Troll, a Demon, a Giant and what other thing it might fit it. But calling an Oni an Ogre or a Demon lessens not only it but also the culture.
In the Philippines, the name Aswang is for a number of similar-ish monsters, but calling it a vampire-werewolf or whatever will make people see it like that instead of seeing it on its own. It also ignore a part of the legends where the aswang is just a witch who use a ritual to shapeshift and terrorize people or the other versions of the aswang where its like an undead zombie.
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I think you're right, good points about culture.
This is just my own curiosity now because it relates to something else- if the artist didn't know what an oni was or had seen a depiction or used the word at all, would this still be an oni?
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If a person create a character/race similar if not exactly like a being of mythology but has never heard, know or even saw a depiction of it, then it would be seen as coincidence and someone would point out the similarities to them.
After all, the idea of a blood sucking vampire exists in many different forms all over the world, from the stereotypical idea all the way to the stranger depictions. That doesn't mean that the culture copied it from another, imported perhaps, but in most cases the idea develop on its own separately and so have their own differences as well.
To answer your question, it depends on both the artist and the viewer. To the artist it would probably be coincidence. But, death of the author and all that postmodern jazz, the view might have their own idea or take of the work itself. If it's quite similar, they would think the artist just copied the idea and point it out. Others might think it's the artist's own twist of the idea. And some might think it's a deeper relation or idea of the artist.
But I'm getting ahead of myself.
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Yeah, it's just I suddenly found I've got to start looking at all this "originality" stuff today and so the idea of making up something but it being coincidentally similar to others was in my head. Thanks for talking.
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