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[edit] To clear any misunderstanding. The stamp is only focusing in: if Christ coming will be secret or not. Nothing less and nothing more ^^What is the SECRET rapture?: Christ will return secretly to rapture away His church. The saved (including babies in their mother’s womb) will just suddenly disappear leaving the rest of the people confused and scared. No one will see Him coming. [It touches other subjects, but in the only idea I’m focusing is in the secret disappearance]
What is the Rapture?: The act of meeting Christ in the air. The word doesn't appear in the bible but is used to describe the ‘be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air’ of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. (I personally don't call it rapture to avoid confusion, where I live if you say rapture people automatically think in the secret rapture)
They’re two different things. I’m talking about the secret rapture, not the rapture.
YES, When God comes to get the saved, they will be caught in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Cor. 15:51-52). NO, it won’t be in secret.
I’ll say it again, this stamp is only focusing in the SECRET part of the secret rapture belief.
My point is not to tell you if Christ Coming is divided in one, two, three, or even hundreds of stages. I’m only saying (it doesn’t matter how many times you believe He’ll come) that it won’t be a secret.
Jesus coming will be:
---Visible. (Mark 13:26, Luke 21:27, Acts 1:9-11, 1 Timothy 6:14, 1 Peter 5:4)
“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE shall see HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” ~ Revelation 1:7
“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”~Matthew 24:30
“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matthew 24:27
If heaven doesn't need a sun or a moon because God's glory is 'shiny' enough (Revelation 21:23), do you think people won't notice the sudden and jaw-dropping change in the illumination?
Only the elect will see him? No! EVERY EYE will see Him!
---Audible (Matthew 24:31, 1 Corinthians 15:52)
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first” ~1 Thessalonians 4:16
---Physically Real. (Luke 24:36-43,50-51)
“Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”~ Acts 1:11
Lets sum it up! He comes with power and great glory, like the lighting that cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.
Yes we will be caught in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Cor. 15:51-52) but: It’ll be bright, it’ll be loud and NO ONE will miss it.
Another hoax is all the predictions concerning Jesus’ second coming. Do not be deceived! Jesus says:
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,[a] but My Father only.” ~ Matthew 24:36
God bless!
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Comments: 73
Nilopher In reply to levite [2012-03-25 16:00:07 +0000 UTC]
I agree with what the links says, but I was not referring to that o.O
The bible says that Jesus coming will be audible and visible for all, the theory of the secret rapture says that the saved (including babies in their mother’s womb) will just disappear and no one will notice until they start hearing the news or see that some of their family members disappeared.
This stamp is just talking about if it’ll be a secret coming or not. ^^
ps. Thanks for the link
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levite In reply to Nilopher [2012-03-25 19:26:52 +0000 UTC]
I understand.
Although I personally am not necessarily a full pretribulationist I do understand their teaching pretty well, as I am a member of a pretrib council of churches. However, not every pretrib believes that it is "secret". As a matter of fact the whole notion of the rapture of thousands of lives and all children staying secret is self defeating.
My suggestion, would be to clarify this in your description, as many Christians do believe in a rapture and the stamp seems to imply that no rapture is taking place and that seems not to be your message [link] In addition, pretrib teaching does believe in a Second coming independent to the rapture. It is here where many divide, as some believe that the rapture is in fact the second coming, while other do not. As ~Elijah-Sainte pointed out, this is a secondary issue in which we may disagree as a body but not divide.
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Nilopher In reply to levite [2012-03-25 20:58:44 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. ^^
I edited the description of the stamp, I hope everything is clearer now o.O
I sometimes forget people can't read minds
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levite In reply to Nilopher [2012-03-26 01:57:13 +0000 UTC]
Excelente!!! Se te quiere un montón Dios te bendiga.
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Elijah-Sainte In reply to ??? [2012-03-25 13:38:59 +0000 UTC]
Oh, and calling it a hoax is going overboard; it is another interpretation of Scripture. Only God knows what will really happen. Please, don't make a big deal of a non-salvation theological issue.
There's my two cents.
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Elijah-Sainte [2012-03-25 13:36:50 +0000 UTC]
To my understanding the rapture and Christ's Second Coming are two different events. The rapture is when all believers will be caught up in the clouds, and His second coming is when Christ's feet touch the Mt of Olives. The first is up into the sky and the latter is down to earth.
This is how I understand it unless you are saying that there will be a yo-yo effect we go up only to come back down a split second later.
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Nilopher In reply to Elijah-Sainte [2012-03-25 16:15:17 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me ^^
(I’m going to answer both of your comments here, I hope you don’t mind ^^)
I do believe we will be caught up in the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Cor. 15:51-52). I also believe He will touch the ground in the mount of the Olives. I just differ with you in the number/name of the coming.
[I believe His first coming was when He was born from Mary, His second coming will be what people call the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Cor. 15:51-52 and the other ‘coming’ where He finally touches the mount of the Olives is revelation 20: 7-9, revelation 21: 1-4]
But I wasn’t referring to any of that. The bible clearly says that everyone will see, hear, feel (because the earth won’t stay still) His coming. But those that believe in the secret rapture think the saved will disappear one day, and the other people won’t notice until they start hearing the news about the disappearances.
I believe is a hoax because following the word’s definition the secrete rapture is something intended to deceive. Why? Because God left us a guide: His word, the bible. And there He says how His coming will be, so we can’t be deceived.
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matthew 24:24-27
~You say: don't make a big deal of a non-salvation theological issue
Where I live, there’s a man claiming to be Jesus, saying he’s here to get his people. Hundreds of people are following his teachings; some of these teachings aren’t even supported by God’s word. What do you think that will happen to those people at the end if they don’t realize the truth?
God bless!
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RemLezar In reply to ??? [2012-03-25 10:00:14 +0000 UTC]
Since neither or these things happened yet, how can you say it was a hoax?
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Nilopher In reply to RemLezar [2012-03-25 16:28:14 +0000 UTC]
God gave us His Word; He told us how His second coming would be so no one could deceive us. Matthew 24:24-27
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HolleyParadox [2012-03-25 06:02:58 +0000 UTC]
i think what they may be referring to is the part that reads there will be two women grinding grain one will vanish while the other remains, two men walking up the hill- i wish I could remember the verse address
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Nilopher In reply to HolleyParadox [2012-03-25 16:23:31 +0000 UTC]
yup, Matthew 24:41. but that verse is not saying it'll be secret ^^ it just says one will be taken and the other left behind.
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DawnArtistry In reply to Nilopher [2012-03-25 16:44:10 +0000 UTC]
Then the disciples ask, where Lord? (where are they taken) and Jesus replies.."where the carcass is the vulture is matt 24:28 They are taken to death not to some secret rapture
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foxgamer01 In reply to HolleyParadox [2012-03-25 07:07:48 +0000 UTC]
You mean Matthew 24:41?
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Inemiset In reply to ??? [2012-03-25 04:18:59 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely. Great Scriptures to back it up
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