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Jaydehawk [2006-01-01 16:05:15 +0000 UTC]

This is a rather lovely view.

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-02 15:08:11 +0000 UTC]

I've never expected to find so many really lovely places in an american city of this size. We walked little steep streets with so much green and gardens that you'd not believe you're in San Francisco.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-02 20:36:36 +0000 UTC]

My problem with US cities is that they so damn big. Here we can walk across most towns, but there...you need a car. Of course all that space makes it easier for nice nooks and crannies where we'd expect no space at all.
The whole country has the same problem. We drove from Boston to New York. The amount of space between these two cities was...immense. Complete forests!

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-03 00:26:57 +0000 UTC]

Okay SF has about 750.000 inhabitants according to their town sign on the Golden Gate Bridge, that would be 25% of Berlin, no comparison to Boston (which I visited back in 1996) or even NYC. You're right about the spacious dimensions. But it makes you wonder why people generally tend to live that cramped to each other (I think about japanese or chinese cities, but also Paris for example). It can't be just some more or less important economical advantages. In SF it catched my attention how many almost suburban areas you can find. It's more than just some nooks, it's whole streets.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-03 05:48:23 +0000 UTC]

I think we had less space to begin with, or maybe more people. We already got used to crowding with our medieval cities, and got used to smaller scale things too. When people got to the US it was basically empty, so people could claim more spce, more easily. Add to that the fact that everyone is motorised and able to commute, that leads to less need for the kind of ultra-crowding you see in more third world countries (where everyone wants to be as close to the cities as possible, but mostly walks).

It's funny how we perceive space and distance. People in the US will easily travel a few hours to see a footbal or baseball game. Most people in Holland (and I guess to a slightly lesser extent in Germany) are unlike to do the same. I doubt many Dutch would go to, say Aachen for a footbal match. Or travel 100 kilometers for a picnic or a good beerstube, which I know friends in the US to do regularly.

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-03 16:11:01 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes, your explanation is absolutely right.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-03 17:24:40 +0000 UTC]



I take it you enjoyed your visit, though? As did I.

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-03 18:21:55 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes, best vacations ever.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-03 20:50:33 +0000 UTC]

Good. I enjoyed my trips there (three different one by now and at least one more lined up). Still, I know people who go there once and never want to leave. I didn't enjoy it that much

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-03 21:08:52 +0000 UTC]

I've been there twice, east coast trip a few years ago and now the west coast. I'd never stay there, but it's worth a visit anytime.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-04 06:27:06 +0000 UTC]

Sounds somewhat similar to my visits. A long east coast one, almost 15 years ago
A shorter east coast/mid west one and a trip to LA in the last couple years. Probably going over there again this year.

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-04 16:35:16 +0000 UTC]

I'd like to see the south or the grim north but that has to wait some years. There are other places which I find more interesting. Man, I so envy you for all the parts of the world you already travelled.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-04 19:28:13 +0000 UTC]

I think I have a head start, though
and there are so many of them I still want to visit

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numerika In reply to Jaydehawk [2006-01-04 23:40:44 +0000 UTC]

But according to your journal you keep it going regularly.

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Jaydehawk In reply to numerika [2006-01-05 06:25:52 +0000 UTC]

Well, as you can see, I had a peek about ten-fifteen years ago. Dipped a little in the last five. Or at least that's how it feels. My girlfriend doesn't like that kind of trips as much as I do, but we can find others. Still lots to do in Europe too

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