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Description Before anybody comes out and yells at me, allow me to clarify.

I am an OC creator too. I've made my own OCs, even an FOC as well. I've also seen various types of OCs and FOCs people make.

I've been wondering about this simple label. "Mary/Gary Sue/Stu". People have this tendency to label OCs like that, I am also guilty for doing so. But then, I got myself thinking one day.Β 

THAT artist, is happy with what they created, and shouldn't that be the most important component for any drawing ?

I mean, I understand people like to ask criticism for their OCs, which is fine and all. And then they make changes to their OCs. But sometimes, I see that they end up not being happy with what they make. And that takes out all the fun from making an OC.

Everyone has their own preference and opinions on what makes an OC great, or NOT a Sue. Some people prefer OCs that are happy, perky and such. Some prefer OCs that are gloomy, emo and gothic. Some prefer "average" kind of OCs who are low profile. Some like OCs that act cool, are handsome and such. Some like nerdy OCs. Some like OCs with an angsty background.

See what I'm talking about ? Each and every artist has their own idea on what makes a good OC. There is no specific criteria that makes a character "amazing". Therefore, what gives us that right to call an OC a Sue ? If said person actually worked hard on that OC, I don't see why we should look down on them. They made that OC for THEIR OWN pleasure. Not for you. Not for me. Not for anybody else (unless stated otherwise).

People would say, "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". Yes, we might hate a perky OC. Yes, we might hate nerdy OCs. But there are people who do like those kind of OCs. And that artist is one of them. THAT's what THEY like to see in a character, and why should we stop them ?

Don't tell me that if we let this be, there's gonna be a hoard of "perky, pink rainbow colored characters". THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. And you know why ? Because there are over billions of people on the internet, and on dA itself. The likeliness of only ONE variation of a character to exist is very low. Individual differences pl0x. There are various people making various kinds of characters. So hold your tits or man-boobs and sit down.Β 

For OC artists who ask for critiques, there is nothing wrong with asking for criticism. But keep in mind that not everyone will like your OC. Ask various people. Ask A LOT of people. You can't ask only one person. Many people have different opinions on different characters. Some harsher than others. Some lighter than others.

However, remember that your happiness and satisfaction should be prioritize. If you're already happy with your OC, why bother what other people say ? They might be hatin', but if you keep developing said character, make stories, draw TONS, or write TONS, they'll realise that they're messing with the wrong artist. Not everyone is gonna be happy with what you make, but who cares ? YOU'RE HAPPY, RIGHT ? Now get out there and show them haters how amazing your character is.

I'm not saying you HAVE to like every OC out there. I understand everybody is entitled to dislike things. Just respect the artist who made them. They're happy with the OC that they made, so why are you so worked up about it ?! If they aren't a whiny baby, then I don't see why you should be so "offended" by their OC. If you don't like that character so much, THEN GO MAKE YOUR OWN THAT SUITS YOUR NEEDS.

EDIT : I feel like I should mention this, as the situation is different. Unless you're planning on PROPERLY bringing your OC into the business world, in which case a story on TV for instance, then YES. It IS important to take note on others preference. HOWEVER, the only thing you should be concerned about is what target audience you're planning to get. For example, if you are making a children's cartoon, then you would have to suit traits for that age group. You can't make a bloody gory character for kids aged 6, am I right ? But keep in mind that, not everyone has the same preference for characters, and as long as you have a decent interesting storyline, its bound to make a hit eventually, so keep developing them for the audience. Some examples of TV cartoons (these are PG13) I can give you are Kim Possible and American Dragon : Jake Long, as well as Gravity Falls. These three cartoons have different kinds of characters, and yet, all three of them are a big hit on TV when they were released. And mind you, their characters undergo EXTREME character development.

If you'd like to start a friendly, polite, mature discussion regarding this topic, please feel free to do so. If you're only here to flame or become an immature brat, please, the back button is on your browser for a reason.

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Comments: 42

CoreyJaronRiffin [2016-04-30 15:16:46 +0000 UTC]

My OCs can be clichΓ© for people,but i don't care!

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torielmqlfoy In reply to CoreyJaronRiffin [2017-01-15 06:35:25 +0000 UTC]

same

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to CoreyJaronRiffin [2016-05-01 04:27:56 +0000 UTC]

That's good to hear ! ^^

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TheKirbyGamer933 [2016-04-23 20:29:27 +0000 UTC]

100% agree ( *don't* )

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to TheKirbyGamer933 [2016-04-24 06:44:25 +0000 UTC]

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61021376 [2015-07-08 11:51:48 +0000 UTC]

Depends if the person wants people to like their character or not. If criticism makes them sad, they probably do. And it's just natural.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to 61021376 [2015-07-09 04:53:26 +0000 UTC]

That would refer to the situation when they actually DO want criticism on their OC.

But there are various kinds of people who like different kinds of OCs. Same goes for the dislike factor.

For example, I would HATE a perky OC but this other person LOVES perky OCs.Β 

I would say that character is a Sue, but in the other person's case, they'd think that character is good.Β 

One couldn't satisfy everybody's needs. But in the end it all calls for backstory and development story. If the flowline is good, then the character is good enough.

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PsjthekidRS [2015-05-06 11:35:21 +0000 UTC]

For me an OC is more than its appearance, its more the character you create with what you draw through fanfiction or roleplays

I'm using this on my dA

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to PsjthekidRS [2015-05-06 12:08:36 +0000 UTC]

True that. Some people tend to take it more to physical wise, and that's kinda sad.Β 

Go ahead

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PsjthekidRS In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-05-06 13:52:40 +0000 UTC]

I love all my OCs and if you start insulting them which insults me, of course im going to fight back.

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InuxKagfangirl121 [2015-05-03 04:25:48 +0000 UTC]

if u ask me, i really don't are what people think about my OC and im not ashamed!Β  Β 

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to InuxKagfangirl121 [2015-05-03 05:14:38 +0000 UTC]

Then good for you !

Some people tend to take other people's opinion too much, and they end up not being happy with what they made, which really sucks.

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InuxKagfangirl121 In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-05-04 01:22:30 +0000 UTC]

u go! PREACH!

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LadyClassical [2015-04-25 00:56:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, I see where you're coming from. But I feel like if you make an OC and NOBODY likes her, then there might be something wrong with her. I don't think that stopped me from making OC's, but I tend to incessantly worry.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to LadyClassical [2015-04-25 04:01:05 +0000 UTC]

That would be true. But its very subjective. Also, exposure isn't there probably ?Β 

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LadyClassical In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-26 04:46:21 +0000 UTC]

It's so hard to make a "good" character these days. The Mary-Sue tests are over 100 questions long! I just feel like my characters will be hated and I work on them a lot so they aren't.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to LadyClassical [2015-04-26 05:31:24 +0000 UTC]

Those Mary Sue tests are really bullshit tbh.Β 

I've taken one of those before, and their questions are basically just stating normal human personalities.

"Oh does your character play a piano ? WHOOPS THEY'RE A SUE !" because TOTALLY its SOOO abnormal to learn an instrument.

"Does your character fall in love ? THEY'RE A SUE TOO !" because apparently, love is SOOO priviliged that NOBODY IS ALLOWED to experience it.

Its really stupid if anybody were to use that test to measure their character.

My advice would be, as long as you enjoy however you make you character, and keep making their stories, people will come to like them. A character with a story to tell is always an interesting one.

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LadyClassical In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-27 00:07:38 +0000 UTC]

I always felt antsy about my favorite Transformers OC, Gemstone, because she was a rape baby who was abandoned by her mother and had to become a prostitute in order to survive, and she marries a canon character and has a baby with him (who they give up for adoption). I wrote her bio here:

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to LadyClassical [2015-04-27 00:16:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, if you're asking me to judge, I think her backstory is perfectly fine. But the problem would be, that, this is the Transformers world, so I'm not so sure how would the daily life of robots there would be ?

Because...I'm not exactly sure how would prostitution among robots would go ? No offence but I'm just not that familiar with the Transformers franchise. If any, I would only know the movie versions.

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LadyClassical In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-27 00:25:39 +0000 UTC]

The movie versions suck; you should watch the cartoons!! If you ask me G1 is the best! That's where my icon is from (G1 Megatron's head).

To answer the second part, many agree that TFs are capable ofΒ intercourse in some way although it's hard to agree how they do it.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to LadyClassical [2015-04-27 00:36:14 +0000 UTC]

I've been meaning to watch the animated version one day. Its quite refreshing I gotta admit. But I'm a loser for special effects. Like LITERALLY, I watch the Transformer movies for the robots, and not the stupid love story and shit

Well then if that's the case, I guess your OC should be fine. I would suggest you to make more stories/pictures relating to her, maybe show another side of her of sorts ? Her personality and such ? Stuff like that

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LadyClassical In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-27 00:52:09 +0000 UTC]

There is, she's part of a trilogy!Β She was supposed to be a cameo (extra) but I wanted to do more with her and she kind of...head-butted her way into the storyline (typical for her).

The G1 cartoon is kind of...poorly animated, but I think you're right that the love story with Sam and Mikaela is kind of stupid. There's always a token human in Transformers (like the Witwickys in G1, Sari in Animated, Jack, Raf and Miko in Prime, Alexis in Armada, etc.) butΒ the story doesn't usually revolve all around them.Β There are some Daniel episodes in Season 3 and 4 of G1,Β butΒ not all of them. And we have Cyclonus's hotness to make up for it!Β 

This is the chapter where Gemstone reveals her true story: The Mech Code, Chapter 19THE MECH CODE, Chapter 19: "The Secret"
SERIES: G1
GENRE: Romance/Drama
CHAPTER RATING: R
...
THAT NIGHT...
Thundercracker held Gemstone close on the cold repair table. Skywarp was helping Starscream with the twins tonight, so Thundercracker was able to spend the night with Gemstone. They were all alone in the med bay, and normally they would've interfaced, because not only were the two of themΒ aΒ fake couple, they also seemed to have become "friends with benefits". For some reason, though, Gemstone hadn't initiated anything, and Thundercracker was confused.
"Gemstone, hon?" he asked, squeezing her tight. "Is everything okay?"
"Yes, I'm fine," she whispered, but her tone of voice disagreed with this statement.
Oh, scrap, I hate when femmes do this, Thundercracker thought to himself. That was what frustrated him most about femmes--they neverΒ told you exactly what they were thinking.
"Mechs aren't any good at guessing," Thundercra

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Torosiken-II [2015-04-19 13:44:00 +0000 UTC]

That, cept you are going serious to publish them on industries and all- then that starts to be matter.

Other than that, fun is all you need C:

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to Torosiken-II [2015-04-20 01:34:31 +0000 UTC]

If that's the case, then one should look at the target audience that you plan to entertain. Look at what are the expectations of that specific target audience, for example, if you're aiming for female adolescents, then see what would they like to see, and start from there. It may not meet EVERY standard audience that you want, but with a decent storyline, it could work.

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Torosiken-II In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-21 05:03:55 +0000 UTC]

Yep, that's how it works.

Still, in professional works people should consider things because it's going everywhere.

When you are in the internet, having fun is all that matters.

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CartoonFreakshow [2015-04-19 11:57:36 +0000 UTC]

This is very strong and outspoken o.o I tip my hat to you

I love that you said all this cuz I've seen this go around and reading this it makes me happy that I draw my characters because I like then. Even in shows a lot of people never realize that, that creator made these characters, that's his/her's OC's that were made not by the approval of anyone (okay maybe some change then based on budget reasons or animation designs) but they made them because they enjoy these characters and wanted to create a story for them.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to CartoonFreakshow [2015-04-20 02:34:44 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the compliment

Thats the whole point of creating OCs. You make them because YOU want them. Its not for anyone else.

Unless you DO plan to take your OC out FOR other people, then you should specify what age group you plan to entertain. Jut like Danny Phantom himself. Judging from the original concepts and such, Butch HAD to make a number of readjustments to suit with their budget, as well as age group. But he kept the character the way he wanted him to be, and he's damn proud about DP, eventhough it got cancelled at one point.

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CartoonFreakshow In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-20 08:42:56 +0000 UTC]

np ^^Β 

Yeah, exactly.

Sometimes there has to be changes but you don't have to take away anything from the character that you don't want. That's the beauty of it.Β 

I've seen the same with lots of characters it was pretty cool though for Kim possible those changes were interesting XD

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to CartoonFreakshow [2015-04-20 10:12:27 +0000 UTC]

True true. Kim Possible went through MAJOR changes. She's still the same badass chic, but with a new wardrobe

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CartoonFreakshow In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-20 19:00:01 +0000 UTC]

yeah ^^Β 

right after you talked about concept art I looked up Danny Phantoms and MAN I can see what you mean about changes. But I thin Butch Hartman really wanted Danny to be buff but do to budget couldn't have that but he got his moment with Super Danny X"D

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to CartoonFreakshow [2015-04-20 23:01:12 +0000 UTC]

Yeaaaah Β 

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CartoonFreakshow In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-20 23:02:15 +0000 UTC]

close enough X"D

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Ratchet-Halo [2015-04-19 07:53:52 +0000 UTC]

Coming from as a writer who has alot of ocs, always developing them, making sure they're believable as I can, giving them strength, weaknesses, flaws, proper character development, and giving them stories, making the "perfect non perfect" oc can be difficult.Β 

In a world with differing opinions, some people will like your character for their character traits, others will hate those same traits, there's no definitive standard for good ocs.

Sure the standard good oc isn't a mary sue or good sue to most people, as in not so powerful, is believable, has a personality with good back story etc.

I agree you can make whatever oc you want to, that's what freedom is. However people are also not obligated to like a terribly made character that they view is terrible.

I believe if you spot a Mary sue, you could offer advice on how to make them a better oc.

Just my two cents.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to Ratchet-Halo [2015-04-19 08:25:20 +0000 UTC]

True that. What you mentioned earlier are exactly my points

But could you clarify what you meant by "people are not allowed to like a terribly made character that they view is terrible" ?

Also, giving advice would be the best way. But our standards as to what makes a "Mary Sue" vary. The original artist might think what they made was good and interesting enough.

For instance, I myself am not so much in favor for OCs who are... "too perky". For the artist, they might think that would be a normal trait that they like. Its very subjective to criticise that.

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Ratchet-Halo In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-19 09:15:15 +0000 UTC]

I think I should rephrase what I said there. I have a habit of making my sentences look unclear.

What I mean't was people have the right to not like a terribly made character, if the character is terrible in their eyes.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to Ratchet-Halo [2015-04-19 10:20:06 +0000 UTC]

Ah, well yes that is true. Everyone has a fair share of what they don't like.

But if the artist does, I think we should respect that. Not to say that we HAVE to like the character. But its THEIRS, and it is their every right to make them however they want.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to Ratchet-Halo [2015-04-19 09:56:19 +0000 UTC]

Ah, well yes that is true. Everyone has a fair share of what they don't like.

But if the artist does, I think we should respect that. Not to say that we HAVE to like the character. But its THEIRS, and it is their every right to make them however they want.

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katamariluv [2015-04-19 05:53:25 +0000 UTC]

Truer words were never spoken.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to katamariluv [2015-04-19 08:25:37 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the compliment

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katamariluv In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-20 03:46:10 +0000 UTC]

You're very much welcome. Your stamp sends a wonderful and very inspiring message.

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nurmuzdalifah In reply to katamariluv [2015-04-20 04:11:15 +0000 UTC]

Aww shucks thank you. I'm glad you find it that way :3

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katamariluv In reply to nurmuzdalifah [2015-04-20 04:20:23 +0000 UTC]

You're very much welcome, friend.

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