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Jeez if we keep asking all these questions about magical law of Alexis the MIA will have to reassign her from field agent to spokesperson of the legal department.
I suppose I have two questions. First is it possible to target yourself with perception altering magic as a form of escapism, or in your case make healthy foods taste like cake? Second is the amount of mana consumed by luck magic directly proportionate by how much one alters the odds?
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Poor Alexis. She just wants to fight bad guys, but instead she has to explain them their supernatural legal rights.
Alexis: To answer your first question, yes, that's certainly possible. In fact, it has been used by many as a tool for self improvement or recreation. One must be careful not to completely forget reality if you overuse this technique, but that's rarely an issue. Most people knowledgeable enough to learn these techniques are disciplined enough not to overuse it. In addition, this use wouldn't be punishable. The intent is clearly not malicious, and if you got someone else's consent you could easily cast the spell on them as well.
Alexis: To answer your second question, it gets a bit complicated. While yes, it is proportional to how much one alters the odds, the primary component is how unlikely the event is. For example, causing someone to slip and fall is fairly inexpensive. There isn't much reality alteration required to get someone to slip and fall at the right time, even in the best of circumstances. Causing, say, an earthquake is substantially more difficult, since the chance of that occurring is slim to none. Basically, it's more about how likely the event was to occur, rather than how much you increase the odds by. In a roundabout way, that line of thinking is correct. I apologize if this is confusing, teaching the specifics of magic is not my forte.
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Very interesting answers.^^
Well, for follow-up... what about the quality I'm researching a bit then? I like to call it 'haremitis', because of its results. There's variants to what it seeks to do, and its wielder often has no control of it, but it typically combines the powers from both of the magics mentioned in those I questioned you about earlier. As for its effects, the name makes that kinda obvious.
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Alexis: Mages of all stripes can combine different types of magic, so I could see someone creating a technique similar to what you're describing. Mixing luck magic and perception manipulation to create a..."harem making" spell would be possible. I have seen some similar problems with Sorcerers in the past. Since Sorcerers don't necessarily control their magic effectively, it's not uncommon for them to randomly cast spells on those around them. Some even maintain spell effects in a radius around them, intentionally or no. While I can't say I've met anyone with that particular mix, it's certainly in the realm of possibility. When you say "what do I think about it", are you asking whether it is possible? Or what I think about it from an ethical or legal perspective?
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Well, you clearly think it's possible. But, what do you think about it from an ethical or legal perspective? Especially with the 'guide, not control' aspect, and also the topic of whether or not the one involved is in control of it or not.
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Alexis: Well, the topic of control is the big point of contention for me. If you can't control this effect, than obviously I can't reasonably hold you fully accountable for its effect on those around you. While you might be able to mitigate the effects somewhat by, for example, living far away from other people, I wouldn't blame you for not being able to manage it effectively. Ethically, I wouldn't have any real concerns. Legally speaking, you woudln't be punished. They might send you to a Sorcerery training class so you can keep it in check, but you wouldn't go to jail or anything.
*Alexis Sighs*
Alexis: Now, if you're intentionally using this, that's a completely different story. From an ethical perspective, this is at best Deceptive and Manipulative, and at worst downright exploitative. By concealing information from your targets, you are actively spreading a lie and removing their ability to make an informed decision, and thus consent to a relationship with you. You're forcing them to see you through "beer goggles" of a sort. If you add the luck magic in, you're also effectively forcing them into favorable situations for you. If you intentionally alter the probability of something happening, you might as well take credit for it. You're preventing them from making the decisions on their own, at least with their full mind. There is a lot of nuance there, and it's better than directly forcing them into decisions via mind control or threats, but I can hardly call it ethical. Legally, things get very hairy. Luck Magic is difficult to prove in court, and Perception Manipulation has a lesser penalty than direct mind control, however the intent behind it matters. If you use it to, for example, save a life, no one will punish you. If you use it for selfish reasons, the law may not be so kind.
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In that case... what if this haremitis was a variant that was designed not only to attract females... but to make it so the one with haremitis equally falls for them, all while another effect makes them more likely to accept sharing? I mean, after all, how is it if the one wielding it also comes under the perception manipulation in that circumstance?
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(Sorry for the Late Reply. Life has kept me really busy.)
Alexis: I will admit, that does make things substantially better, since at the very least you are attempting to build a mutual, romantic relationship rather than a direct "harem", as the name of the spell suggests. That said, if you intentionally use this on someone else, it's still manipulation of their senses without their consent. You're still altering their view of the world for your own benefit. Granted, it would be better, since at least you would be ensured to equally care for them, but I still wouldn't consider it morally just. If you asked these women if you could cast this spell on them, and they willingly agreed, then I would have little problem with it, since they're choosing to view the world in a way they prefer. However, without the ability to make a choice, it's still wrong. I should clarify, however, that this is only my own opinion, and others might disagree with me.
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(It's fine. Life happens, eh?)
Well, here's another detail about it to consider. Though potent, haremitis... can only work on things that are already there. It doesn't create feelings. Sure, it guides, but it doesn't insert feelings. It's like a power that plays matchmaker on its own, working with what is present to nudge things towards a desired result. But, even with that manipulation, it doesn't create feelings, nor does it boost what is there directly. It instead only works on the 'recognition' of things that could lead to improved feelings, along with probability of circumstances that already have a chance of occurring. Basically, it tries to speed up potential circumstances and effects the probability of those circumstances leading to certain results. But, if something is impossible, then there's nothing it can do.
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Alexis: In my own opinion, that doesn't address the issue. You're still manipulating someone else's senses without their consent. You're still forcing them to notice things they might not normally notice, and forcing them to ignore negative traits that would affect you. It's little different than lying constantly to make yourself seem better. Sure, you're not necessarily preying on feelings that aren't there, but you are forcing them to ignore reality and choose one that paints you in a better light. You aren't actually improving as a person, or working your hardest to be someone you might like. You're forcing them to ignore the parts of you that are bad, and equally forcing them to notice your positive sides. They wouldn't be falling in love with you, they'd be falling in love with a fake, "better" version of yourself. You're forcing them to fall in love with an illusion. Once again, this only my personal opinion, but I can't see that as morally just.
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I never once said that they ignore negative traits. You made an assumption there. You're assuming it's making them ignore reality. That is not what it does, nor did I ever say that. All I said is that it makes them more likely to notice the good qualities. Never once said that it makes them not notice the bad.
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Alexis: Sorry, I misunderstood that aspect of it. It kind of goes with the territory that if you force someone to notice the good, you'll also assist them in forgetting the bad. I have a strong sense of justice, some say too strong, and I can't personally approve of it. Even if you aren't using it to gloss over your own mistakes, you're still using magic to force other people to like you more, albeit in an indirect way. If you consider it an acceptable use of magic, that is of course your opinion, but I personally don't approve of it.
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Well, I personally think of it as okay due to a few reasons: It doesn't directly control emotions, so their emotions are still their own. It doesn't remove or block out anything. All it does is additions, and in such a way that doesn't outright force their emotions, and thus, quite possible to oppose as well.
...had it removed or blocked out things or controlled the actual emotions involved, THEN I'd seriously have tremendous issue with it.
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Alexis: Like I mentioned, while I personally find that better, I still don't find it good. You're still forcing them to notice things they may not want to. If you're messing with people's perceptions for your own benefit, I still don't find it good. I think this might just be an agree to disagree thing. I don't typically like people using magic on others for personal gain, and while this is far from the worst use of it, it doesn't mean I approve of it personally.
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That's understandable then. Everyone has their opinions, eh?
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