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For those who are caught up, this based on the theory of what has happened to Amber and Pyrrha's Soul post death, given that both were given the maiden power (or in Pyrrha's case, 1/4 of it) before their deaths.Think about it, Pyrrha's the only person to have died the way she did. Amber was shot, and just died, she didn't dissipate, Pyrrha is the only recorded death on the show where we've seen her light up with the same colour of energy/aura as the maiden power she was radiated with and the only one subjected to mad science to be infused with said power, with unpredictable results...
We know that her voice is in Ruby's dreams, but also cut away from Cinder when we've heard her voice, and now Cinder is acting as if she's horrified at the brutality of her own team mates...
We know that Ozpin's soul has merged or shared space with Oscar....so if we believe what he and Qrow said about the new host becoming, or becoming more like the previous maiden..........
.........Well, do you believe in destiny?
HERE IS PART TWO
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I doubt it's true now, but we'll see.
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Thank you! Finally, someone who actually considered the dream sequence in episode 2 to have some meaning other than "ohh, Ruby's still got angst"!
Sorry, it's just... I sometimes get annoyed with how some people in the fandom think the show is "destined" (no pun intended) to go only one way all because of some things that happened in previous seasons. Especially since RT only revealed some things about what Monty Oum planned and something like this being part of the official release would be a major spoiler.
In any case, I have heard of this theory before, and while I think in some ways that it might be becoming a bit less likely (honestly, a part of me thinks that if what happened with Ozpin happened with Pyrrha, I think Ruby might actually be a little more likely), I still think it happening with Cinder is fascinating and could explain some things about her behavior. Of course, the question is whether the three will want to stay this way or find a way out of this...
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Well, I believe that dream sequence meant that Ruby somehow absorbed Pyrrha´s soul when she used her silver eyes.
I even have a fanfiction where Ruby learns more about her silver eyes.
However, I had to choose between a completely apathetic, instinct-driven spider faunus and a silver-eyed warrior, and since I didn´t want Ruby to learn everything simply because someone she definitely shouldn´t trust has a theory, I picked the silver-eyed warrior.
So yeah, there is a silver-eyed warrior who already mastered her powers and now wants to teach Ruby everything. I´ve been told it´s really interesting, and Ruby is in the spotlight, rather than my OC, so I guess it can´t hurt checking out if you want to see what I did with Pyrrha´s soul.
Also, I´d like some feedback on how to improve as writer, since I want to publish books one day, so please read my fanfiction and tell me where I can improve.
I´m trying to give it a mystery feel of sorts, with a sub-plot that my readers have to figure out themselves, and I´d like to know if I´m doing it right or not.
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Sorry for the extremely long response.
But thanks, it's good to know I'm not alone. Sometimes, the FNDM can get a bit... too zealous, to be honest.
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that is a crazy yet awesome theory
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if this theory turns out to be true oh holy hell I wont care how much of a deus ex machina this is
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You know something I've begun to hate dead characters being revived, its just been overdone Pyrrha's death was heart break, (while for Penny I said meh they’ll rebuild her,) I don't want her revived because then her death was pointless.
That being said this idea is rather beautiful. It's sort of a second chance for both of them.
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I agree. Her death is vital to Juane's character development.
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Thing is, I understand why people take this point of view: we HAVE seen too many examples of resurrection done badly, or an abusable tool of revival, but it IS possible that it can be done well. It IS possible to do a well-written death and then do a well-written revival of the same character. It's also an objective falsehood that your emotions will be "negated", which your last sentence all but states. However, the way it was done was essentially no real investment on the part of the writers in setting any of this up to get your emotional investment. If anything, your emotions in the death were the ones devalued.
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...frankly Pyrrha's death's already pointless
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It was emotional a character who was built up just murdered, it gave RWBY stakes showing the villains weren't all talk, when challenged they will kill anyone in their way.
However I will admit Pryrrha challenging Cinder the way she did that was pretty pointless, she should've known she didn't have a chance.
On the other hand that's why RWBY went Super Saiyan, though even if she didn't I don't think that dragon was going anywhere.
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No, ADAM accomplished that when he cut off Yang's arm. Getting really tired of seeing people that think that death is the ONLY way to show that the villains aren't all talk. And to build on that, Cinder, due to her being a manipulator/mastermind archetype, is indirectly responsible for that. The stakes were already there, this was NOT needed to establish them.
But again, Cinder is someone who orchestrated Remnant's equivalent of Columbine and Sandy Hook, strong-armed every single one of her working allies into this, successfully ambushed and stole the power from their equivalent of an Avatar, and THAT'S not enough to show that she's not all talk?
One wonders how a villain like Darth Vader would have been received if Star Wars had been made today as opposed to 1977. After all, HE didn't kill any of the main three, and he's revered in cinema.
Also, when you use a death as the catalyst for a Traumatic Superpower Awakening, you MUST show the relationship between the character being killed and the character getting the power-up building for the event to carry any narrative weight. Ruby and Pyrrha had all of three seconds of inter-personal screentime, compared to the several minutes between Ruby and Jaune, as well as several EPISODES for Ruby and Weiss/Penny. Not to mention that you have a repeatedly-emphasized relationship between Ruby and Yang. THESE are the characters you kill to give Ruby her Eyes, not Pyrrha. When you do this, the build-up of trauma is no longer enough, nor is using someone who is merely a good friend. Now you NEED a best friend, a cherished relative, a lover, and so on. Pyrrha is none of these. In general, you have to use someone that stands far above the general baseline of connection that the character getting the power-up establishes.
The truth is in the details, and the writer's complete lack of attention to those details is what undermines the scene. Toriyama did better with Goku and Krillin. See my profile page for a comparison between the two scenes, and why Toriyama got it right where RT did not.
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THAT
is what i mean.
She had no hope of beating Cinder, no reason to think she could, she had no objective in even going up there, other than to fight Cinder. There was no impending "If she reaches the tower, all's doomed!" or "she must not steal __XYZ___ in my desk."
She had a Team out there, and unarmed civilians out there who needed her help, in a fight that was grossly outmatched and outgunned between fear feeding grimm, and white fang. The priority was get out, get everyone unable to run or run fast enough, out.
She is a huntress, this is her responsibility. FURTHER
Ozpin told her, specifically there was no point in holding the front here, he would stay and hold the line so SHE AND JAUNE could escape, and not to come back unless she brought Qrow or Ironwood , or Glynda.
And what does she do? "Oh, Ozpin's dead. Guess it's my turn now cause...............destiny?"
If there was some....big bad that she had to prevent, and if she hadn't, no one would've gotten out of beacon alive , and thus her death was a sacrifice. Or , Cinder opening a portal for more Grimm, making it pointless to run from any direction...or even the relic being up there that if it got into Cinder's hands would end the war......THAT would have been worthy of her death.
Not....vague....destiny forced drama......
And i'm sorry, Ruby's eyes are not worth her dying ,that was the most deus ex machina bed side exposition shuck i've seen in a while
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I kinda like her dumb glow eyes, partially because we don't know what she's really capable of yet
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I just hate how they were introduced, why, and at the cost of who. Sorry but those plot convenience super saiyan eyes don't tip the scale for how a character like Pyrrha Nikos goes out. You gotta do better.
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Honestly, I think the climax should have been with Cinder vs Ozpin and Ruby witnessing Ozpin's "death" instead, it would have worked better and fit Ozpins little note at the beginning
as for Pyrrha she like Weiss would be brought home dealing with PTSD and if the fall maiden bit did get in her, perhaps have nightmarish visions of Cinders POV with Salem and co? And her trying to deal with it all which would lead to Yang later leaving to find her because ya know, both are the strongest on their teams, and they help each other and both go to find their teams
And meanwhile RNJR would still be a thing, and go off to Mistral as Qrow advised and Jaune would think "She loves me, but I do I share the same feelings? And if so does she still do? What do I say to her? Is it my turn to be the weight to lean on?"
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"Well, Do you believe in destiny?"
Me: No.
"Why?"
Me: Because I don't like the idea that I don't get to make my own choices. When free will is gone, what's left?
I don't believe in destiny. But let me ask you this....
....Do you believe in fate?
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Have i heard that from somewhere...?
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I remember someone in DC Legends of Tomorrow said something similar.
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Figures
Should catch up with that
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I just realized that when Mercury was recording the attack of Beacon on camera, Emerald was horrified, but Mercury and Cinder were watching with glee.
However, when Tyrian broke down after Salem insulted him, he brutally attacked a Grimm whilist crying and screaming simultaneously. Then Cinder looked horrified. Maybe it was her first time seeing Tyrian like this (I doubt she's afraid of Tyrian, maybe she's just disturbed by his behavior? I dunno). But the attack of Beacon was much worse than Tyrian being... sad Tyrian.
But I don't wanna get my hopes high.
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Cinder is cunning, smart and calculating. She wins by predicting her opponent´s moves and setting traps she knows they´ll step into.
Tyrian, especially in that moment, was completely insane. He completely lost what little sanity he had left. Cinder was horrified because she couldn´t even hope to guess what was going on in his head at that moment. Usually, she could manipulate him by bringing up Salem, but then and there? No chance. He could´ve turned around and attacked her, or even went after Salem and run into his own death without giving it any thought at all. Cinder knew she couldn´t predict what Tyrian would do next, and that was what terrified her.
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Exactly!!!!
Grimm are expendable
Why care?
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maybe she was scared of Tyrian's behavior?
...but this is Cinder!
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Pretty much. Bitch was gleeful that her school shooting scheme succeeded, and she gets unnerved by Tyrian having his childish meltdown? Yeah, not buying that for a second. And of course, there's also the dialogue of Ruby's dreams, which don't make sense at face value, as well as the fact that Ruby's dreams are depicted as VERY different from Yang's PTSD nightmares.
And then I consider that, as a celebrity, Pyrrha has to be decent at hiding her real self from the public in order to maintain a good image (more important for her profession than out real-world sports athletes), Cinder cannot speak right now.....
.....whose to say that that's actually Cinder we see in canon? The vocal damage may very well be the writer's way of hiding that, and we are meant to see the visual cues, mostly of Cinder being OOC, the last bit of her "burning Ruby" is Pyrrha playing the part. Not only that, but the eyepatch makes us think that she lost an eye. The type of eyepatch she's using doesn't give a noticeable indentation for where the eye socket is, so they technically do not need to graphically render the eye for the Cinder model. What if they're not hiding the lack of an eye....but the presence of a GREEN one? Finally, Salem's teaching Cinder how to "make it fear you". "It"? Now, one could easily think that it's the Scarab still inside Cinder (which would shed some light on why Cinder was actually hurt by Ruby's Silver Eyes) that Salem is referring to, but for someone who thinks so little of humanity, at least on an individual level, it would be in character for her to de-humanize a person verbally by referring to him or her as "it".
There was, a long time ago, a post on tumblr about this kind of theory, and they outright mentioned that one key way of hiding it was to continue employing Jessica Nigri to play "Cinder".
I'm fully on board with a Grimm Pyrrha, but "Pyrrha in Cinder" would be a nice silver medal for me.
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Not to mention, if Cinder's hair is short, and indeed via the transfer machine becoming an unknowing horcrux for Pyrrha, couldn't her hair when growing back become a color of red rather than black?
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I love it!!! That is an excellent theory!
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...THIS IS AN EXCELLENT THEORY!
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anyone know any good fanfics about this
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damn bet someone could do some real dark shit with this consent
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Awesome idea! Coincidentally, there's a pretty cool Youtuber who made a whole video about about this very theory a little while back. I've included the link below.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWnJjP…
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That is a strange and VERY interesting theory. After all we see signs of Cinder having second thoughts it seems compared to how she was in volumes 1-3. Cant wait to see how more of this plays out.
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