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Published: 2016-02-15 05:17:03 +0000 UTC; Views: 11726; Favourites: 226; Downloads: 0
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Updated MAR, 20th, 2016. The original can be found here , for comparison.
Thank you very much to everyone who commented on and
ed this piece!
This image looks OK on my screen, but the color intensity, brightness and overall balance varies somewhat on the screens I have viewed this image on. Please keep that in mind when commenting!
OTHER PARTS OF THIS SERIES:
Following the emergency landing on Veridian III (Star Trek: Generations ), the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D prepares for evac as well as rescue operations.
COMPOSITION: Background is part render, part photography. Composited in Photoshop. Lighting rig, composite for all models, as well as some re-texturing, and/or texture additions done by me. Scene entirely rendered in Lightwave, with post-work in Photoshop.
MESHES: Galaxy-class by Prologic9, Danube-class Runabout by Thomas Slanitz, Type-6 Shuttle by Lee Scheinbeim, Type-7 Shuttle by Kenny Mitchell, Type-15 Shuttlepod by Staffan Norling (LW conversion by Ash Weaver), composition, background elements & FX by me.
A LOOK AT THE DETAILS:
My artworks are not endorsed, sponsored, or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc. or the "Star Trek" franchise. The Star Trek trademarks, logos, and related names are owned by CBS Studios Inc., and are used under "fair use" guidelines.
Comments and critique welcome.
Thank you to my wife TreeClimber
for all the useful suggestions, for inspiring me, and for all the memories!
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Comments: 59
DarthAssassin [2016-02-16 05:23:15 +0000 UTC]
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Let's just get this part out of the way, fuck this movie so many times over. A failure on multiple fronts culminating in an unnecessary death, and a horribly unnecessary destruction of a fantastic starship.
Now on to the pic itself. Though this scene will forever hurt my heart physically and emotionally, I'm always fascinated with how any artist creates their own rendition.
This version is particularly amazing. It seems that every detail has been thought about and carefully executed. From the miles of shredded landscape behind the saucer, to the battering on the front, to even the shuttles and crew dotted across the hull, this is brilliant.
The only slight quip I have about this entire composition would be the presence of the dust/mist behind and around the ship. It makes the scene feel more like the saucer has just careened to a stop, but the shuttles have quite clearly begun their recovery efforts.
Regardless, this is a fantastic piece, extremely well done. I look forward to seeing more from you.
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overseer In reply to DarthAssassin [2016-02-16 05:40:38 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for taking the time to write this.
I thought the movie overall wasn't actually that bad; as far a link between the TOS and TNG crew was concerned anyway. Could have been worse. The destruction of the Enterprise-D was unnecessary, and yes, I hated it, even if I loved that showed the landing of the sacuer, something I had wanted to see since I read about it in the Technical Manual. However, as much as Riker evidently forgot what "Trilithium" is, even though it's a known waste product by the warp drive, apparently they were also no longer able to adjust their shield frequency, nevermind that a frequency shift was possible on the fly when they were fighting the Borg in "Best of Both Worlds".
Ah well.... scripts writers aren't always fans.
Thanks for your suggestion; I looked at some other aircraft disasters along with the footage from "Generations", and I decided on the smoke/mist for the following reasons: For one it could just be 30 minutes to an hour after the crash, in which case there would still be heat from friction, potential plasma leaks, smoldering debris along the way, and then, while that wasn't really planned as such, the scene looks almost like it's fairly early in the morning in that part of the planet; so, mist combined with the overall heat of the hull from the atmospheric entry and friction, plus the odd internal fire I'm sure, would contribute to it.
One nice side effect was to make the image a little more dynamic.
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AlleycatCY [2016-02-15 17:29:25 +0000 UTC]
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2096 by 1080 is an odd size, unless it was meant for printing. The land, background, fog, clouds looks amazing along with the dust still hanging in the air. Damage to the land where the saucer skidded across seems to be slightly purple and red instead of brown. The level of dust and minor burns from entering an atmosphere a little too fast looks just right. Colour balance of the hull was perfect. The resolution of the trees looks great. This image looks amazing, overall this image is perfect, especially considering the great difficulty of Colour Space, Colour Balance, Contrast and Brightness that comes with creating renders.
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overseer In reply to AlleycatCY [2016-02-15 17:36:57 +0000 UTC]
Thank you kindly for taking your time to write this.
I agree, the resolution is odd, but that happened later on when I decided to crop a few corners for the sake of making it look more dynamic. There was no other underlying motive.
The off color on some elements, incl. the soil is likely due to the subtle flares and optical effects I added to intensify the overall atmosphere. It could also be a screen issue, because it looks OK on my screen; at home and work. I can try and bring the brown out a little more though. I have a Samsung monitor at home, and I work in its color profile, otherwise Photoshop's color palette is off. This is the one time I wish we still used CRT screens. . . that never used to be a problem in the past.
As a side note: Not all background elements are rendered. It's a fifty:fifty between stock photography (my own & commercial) as well as some 3D elements.
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AlleycatCY In reply to overseer [2016-02-15 21:50:20 +0000 UTC]
I also have a Samsung monitor. Not matter the colour settings on it, the end result of a render is somewhat likely to look too dark on other monitors. Sometimes the colour balance is off, despite the fact that I recently learned about Colour Spaces.
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overseer In reply to AlleycatCY [2016-02-15 22:20:30 +0000 UTC]
I've made some changes to the surface/land damage. Should hopefully look a little better for you, too, now.
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warman546 [2019-10-31 14:55:24 +0000 UTC]
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DalekOfBorg [2017-05-02 18:39:32 +0000 UTC]
U S S E n t e r p r i s e N C C - 1 7 0 1 - D 1 9 8 7 - 1 9 9 4
She was such a nice ship. It really grinds my gears that they killed her after only one movie! But hey; hats off to John Eaves for designing her slick-looking replacement!
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SgtScrap [2016-03-24 22:21:34 +0000 UTC]
Just a really tiny comment, but perhaps important for your copyright: "Updated MAR, 20th, 2006" - I think you're missing 10 years here.
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overseer In reply to SgtScrap [2016-03-24 22:43:08 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for pointing that out! Fixed. That's what happens when your mind is all over the place.
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overseer In reply to AutumnAxis [2016-03-21 20:46:13 +0000 UTC]
We leave so many things unfinished in our lives.
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smitht2ncc1701 [2016-03-21 05:04:16 +0000 UTC]
as a longtime trek fan....the quote you used here always stuck with me......especially after my house fire 3 years ago leaving me with nothing. Anyway...great render! Seriously......there are so many little "ideas" in the trek universe from fans that could not be really portrayed until the age of the PC....excellent work!
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overseer In reply to smitht2ncc1701 [2016-03-21 20:47:11 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much. And I'm sorry to hear about the house fire; that is one of those challenges in life that are a true test. I hope you managed to recover somewhat at least.
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Scyphi [2016-03-06 17:06:50 +0000 UTC]
The saucer looks a bit like it's still hovering over the vegetation a bit, but otherwise it's a nice pic!
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overseer In reply to Scyphi [2016-03-06 20:08:03 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. That's on purpose; it's not entirely flat underneath, but curved, similar to the top. Based on original movie footage it wouldn't be flush with the ground.
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Scyphi In reply to overseer [2016-03-06 21:36:38 +0000 UTC]
Hmm. Well, I see your point, but considering how it landed, I would argue it wouldn't be sitting perfectly level, but rather slated with it's nose driven into the ground. I would also think it's weight would make it settle into the ground enough to counteract some of that curve as well.
But even then, artistically speaking, it's hard to see that's the intended effect with how the pic's set up. The angle it's being viewed from makes it seem more that it's floating that actually crash-landed.
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overseer In reply to Scyphi [2016-03-06 21:50:38 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I have it on my list to work on some additional effects and add some more shadows that will make it more obvious. I've had similar comments, so I know what you mean.
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overseer In reply to King-Hauken [2016-02-23 18:44:49 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! I'm working on a slightly updated version as well.
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hgfggg [2016-02-17 16:26:34 +0000 UTC]
Just remember there are probably plenty of other saucer-crash incidents!
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hgfggg In reply to overseer [2016-02-17 20:21:50 +0000 UTC]
Okay, fine. Just remember that there's more than one canon galaxy-class vessel.
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overseer In reply to hgfggg [2016-02-17 21:09:37 +0000 UTC]
Yep... I believe most of the other destroyed ones happened in the Dominion war, the first being the Odyssey. None of them even had the time to consider an emergency landing. Plus, I believe, that during war time they probably stopped putting families on those ships. No need really to saucer sep at that point.
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Deltigar [2016-02-16 19:56:34 +0000 UTC]
With such a structure and a nearby habitable world, one can imagine that someone would refurbish what remained as an observation base or something. Have you thought of revisiting the crash site a decade later?
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Scyphi In reply to Deltigar [2016-03-06 17:06:04 +0000 UTC]
With there being a pre-warp civilization on the next planet over, who'd totally take interest in this neighboring planet for being habitable in their attempts at space flight, the prime directive would've decreed that Starfleet remove as much evidence of the D's presence on the planet as possible to hide their existence to a race classed as not ready for that information. As she's no longer flight worthy, inevitably that would mean she was probably dismantled, what useful parts that could be salvaged used elsewhere in the fleet, and the rest disposed of through whatever is the standard means for that by Starfleet.
I would highly doubt they would convert it into a base or anything of the such for the same reason--what if the Veridians came along and caught sight of them?
Otherwise, it'd be a cool idea.
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overseer In reply to Deltigar [2016-02-16 20:10:12 +0000 UTC]
I haven't, no, but then we never found out what happened to the wreckage. I'm fairly certain though Starfleet salvage teams would have destroyed the remains, or dismantled them. I'm not sure if this ever was part of a novel, but I can't imagine them just letting it remain there, especially since a neighboring planet had a pre-warp civilization. There's also the small matter of that having been the flagship with technology that's in parts classified to other species etc.
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Deltigar In reply to overseer [2016-02-26 18:51:59 +0000 UTC]
That's my point. They wouldn't have just left it. I like to imagine they would have used the shell and created office and bunk space for an observatory mission until the civilization in question achieved orbit.
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overseer In reply to Deltigar [2016-02-27 21:29:55 +0000 UTC]
Well, I suppose it isn't impossible...
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DarthAssassin In reply to overseer [2016-02-17 21:49:35 +0000 UTC]
In Shatner-Verse, they apparently went back and detonated the self-destruct
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overseer In reply to DarthAssassin [2016-02-17 23:19:21 +0000 UTC]
I guess that would work... except the Veridian civilization will wonder who blew that crater in their sister planet. . .
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DarthAssassin In reply to overseer [2016-02-17 23:24:08 +0000 UTC]
Ironically, I believe the story was that it would be better for them to find a crater rather than the saucer lol
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overseer In reply to DarthAssassin [2016-02-18 01:07:19 +0000 UTC]
Well yeah, of course, but one could have discretely dismantled it. . .
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DarthAssassin In reply to overseer [2016-02-18 04:56:18 +0000 UTC]
Berman was in charge now, ideas that made sense were quickly silenced
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overseer In reply to DarthAssassin [2016-02-18 04:59:35 +0000 UTC]
Well, producers answer to the networks, and networks answer to advertisers and that means they need more people. Hence Star Trek eventually became geared towards the mass market. Then they brought JJ in and blew everything up. -sigh-
I only hope that the new, planned Star Trek series is going to be part of the pre-JJ timeline. They got an interesting guy working on it, so... there's indeed still some hope.
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SgtScrap [2016-02-15 23:43:26 +0000 UTC]
Mh. I really, really like this.
Not only does it bring some deeply nostalgic feelings out, it's also extremely well put together.
One tiny bit of criticism, though: Shouldn't there be more dirt piled up in front of the saucer section? IIRC she piled into the planet somewhat nose-first and continued to scratch along the surface with the "nose" slightly down. But... It's been some years since I've watched Generations, so I could very well be mistaken!
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overseer In reply to SgtScrap [2016-02-16 00:33:59 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!
Initially there was, but it got strewn all over the hull. From what little shots you see after, I guess I got as close as I could. Plus, given the speeds and the sudden stop due to friction, it may have caused the dirt to glide off, and some may have even dropped into the windows... The other thing was that the underside of the rum was still probably a good floor off the ground after stand still. So, aside from the initial touch down, the upper side would not really have made any more contact with the surface.
The danger is also to do too much. You wanna be able to recognize what you're looking at! I did watch the movie in the background while creating this, for the mood... but, I'm happy to do so again just to be sure.
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overseer In reply to Doga-87 [2016-02-15 17:24:04 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't blame Troi. I'd blame the Duras sisters, Lursa and B'Etor.
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Doga-87 In reply to overseer [2016-02-15 21:58:49 +0000 UTC]
I blame a chain of command which included putting the ship's psychiatrist anywhere within it.
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overseer In reply to Doga-87 [2016-02-15 23:00:39 +0000 UTC]
If you have seen the show, you know that she obtained the rank of Commander and had to go through specific additional training in order to do so. Dr. Crusher is the Chief Medical Officer, but she assumed command during the "Descent" two parter, and did a good job of it, too. I'm someone to put credit where it's due, regardless of profession or gender. The ship was hit by the warp core explosion's shock wave; wouldn't have mattered who was at the helm. Systems were already damaged, gravitation took over, and that was it. No Sulu, no LaForge, no Paris, no Dax and no Wesley Crusher could have done anything about it.
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Doga-87 In reply to overseer [2016-02-15 23:33:16 +0000 UTC]
Don't get too worked up about it, I've just always had with the NG universe was portrayed.
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