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Ugh, do you know which faction in the war is backed by the US?
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Well, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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Syria didn't kill 3,000+ American Civilians.
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No, but Syria has killed hundreds of thousands of its own civilians (and has significant strategic importance).
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To me, it would be no different than supporting Hitler against Stalin, with the lame excuse that Stalin has murdered more people than Hitler.
Anyone who supports our enemies, is our enemy -- regardless. And in my humble opinion -- anyone who supports Obama's treasonous activities, is also guilty of treason themselves. Be it Congress, or a civilian. Just my two cents.
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Well, we should fight both Assad and the al-Qaeda.
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We should learn to clean up our own messes before we try cleaning up anyone elses. We've become complacent, apathetic and childish as a nation.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=clBw_w…
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The problem with that video is that they make it seem like all of the rebels are Islamists, which is just not true. I oppose supporting al-Qaeda affiliated groups such as al-Nusrah, but the West should support the Free Syrian Army and other groups as much as possible to overthrow Assad.
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Semantics. We live in such a politically correct society that people are more than happy to miss the overall point of something, just because a speaker might have said one tiny thing that the viewer doesn't agree with. Butts get hurt, minds close. I don't think we as a nation are capable of assisting ourselves, much less anyone. We're all just a bunch of easily offended morons who enjoy bickering and bitching about everything as if its some kind of a drug.
We are not qualified to butt into other peoples business, we can't even tend to our own without screwing each other over. We've become narrow minded, dumbed down and incredibly arrogant.
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As the world's leading superpower, I believe that the US has a duty to help fight dictators and free civilian populations from tyranny, regardless of what's going on in the US itself.
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So what you're saying The US should abandon its own people to help the other people of the world? That's no way a proper country should function.
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No, that's not what I said. I said that the US has a duty to help the outside world, and that it must try to fulfil that duty no matter what.
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It's not what you said but it's what you implied. The US isn't obliged to do any of that nor should it. The hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians the US has butchered in Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia from the last 30 years or so is unforgivable.
The US presidents that let all the senseless killings happen should be put on trial as war criminals and fess up to their crimes.
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No, I didn't imply that. I was the one who said it, so I should know.
The US is the world's leading superpower and represents the greatest civilization of all, the West, and therefore I believe it has a duty to help the outside world. Yes, many people have died, but that's what happens in war, and the US didn't intervene for the sake of killing people. The US intervened to topple dictatorial regimes and free the populations, although Iraq was clearly more about strategy.
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I see..
In a modern warzone it is very easy to tell your enemy from civilians, especially when if you're the leading military super power. I have seen US soldiers fire upon civilians while those soldiers knew those civilians were non-combatants. I know not all US soldiers are like that but there so much more reports of civilian deaths than any other kind of progress of any of their wars.
When the US entered and exited Iraq they ruined the entire country. leaving it bankrupt and on the brink of civil war, even Taliban insurgents have been reported to have been starting trouble there. And in all the years in Afghanistan they have achieved NOTHING, Afghanistan is still the hell hole like it was 10 years ago. Even in my nation, Serbia (at the time Yugoslavia), NATO knowingly bombed civilian targets killing hundreds of innocent people and for what purpose? defending ourselves against militant Bosnian, Croatian and Albanian nationalists?
I don't like war, it's interesting in fiction and history but in the 21st century the west still acts like's 1885 and believes should rule over all the "lesser nations". If the westerns like you think spreading "democracy" through force of arms and violence is the path you should take then you can keep your democracy and shove it. За краља и отаџбину; Слобода или смрт!
(If the greatest civilization of all time can't defeat a bunch of goat herders in some mountains it really says something too.)
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Sometimes, Western forces have crossed the line and acted in irresponsible, unacceptable ways, but that doesn't change my view that our actions are meant not to cause harm but to bring more freedom to the people. Of course, no countries can develop a well-functioning democracy overnight, and in many cases the people just isn't ready, and therefore I don't support enforcing it with force. What I support is stopping the horrifying acts on murderous dictators and ensuring the most basic human rights, and this is the duty of the West. But of course, it should always be considered how big a cost it will have for the country, and if the people suffers more with a Western intervention than without one, then no intervention should take place.
As for Afghanistan... Yes, the West achieved nothing, and the losses became far too great not only for the Afghans, but also for the soldiers and their families. And now, we've given up, meaning that all those people have died in vain. If at least we'd finished the war before leaving a country in ruins...
The bombing of Serbia took place because Serbia and the Serbians were seen as the main aggressor in the conflict, but of course that has never been the complete truth, and civilians shouldn't have been bombed
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I'm really surprised that you're not shocked by a great looming power like the US. I like your idea of a watchful nation that would serve international law to enforce peace and justice however The West enforces their values and not international law. Even then there shouldn't be a single all powerful nation but a task force of nations that rotates once in a few years to balance military power through out the world.
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That task force of nations you're talking about is a good idea and the UN should have that role, but since the UN is completely useless, the NATO must take that role.
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I do however want to make sure I am clear about one thing though. I am not trying to cast blame on anyone or any group. Not trying to blame Obama. Not trying to blame anyone really. Humanity deserves all the abuse it gives itself until we on the individual level wake up enough that it reflects more benevolently on the collective level of the world stage. If we need to bring ourselves almost to extinction to do so, then so be it, if thats how it absolutely must be. But I am hoping we can wake up enough soon enough so that it doesn't have to be that extreme.
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I beleive toddlers shouldn't play with matches, especially not while sitting on top of a pile of straw. All this worlds leading super power has done in the last few decades -- is destabilize other nations. And thats not an opinion, thats researchable fact. Not saying any other countries have done any better. Just saying we're the worst offenders. Russia coming in second. China in third place. We're the worlds bullies, not its saviors.
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The US and its allies have attempted to spread out peace and democracy to the world, and this is our duty as the greatest civilization to ever have existed. We have failed at times and some have crossed the line, but we should never stop trying to make the world more free. I don't think Europe can do this on its own, we need the US to take the lead.
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Look man while I at least agree with you on who we should support (if any) I really don't think that is true.
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My research into things have shown differently. No disrespect meant, but you're merely parroting the main stream news talking points.
Max Igan explains this stuff far better than I can. Heres one of his many videos: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j1vTq…
The same thing is happening to the USA that happened to Germany. No Germans saw it then. Not enough Americans see it now. Propaganda is a powerful tool, after all. Thats why Hitler focused so strongly on it, thats why the main stream media focuses so strongly on it as well. Its all the same. I don't really fault the people who don't see through it. No one is taught to see through it. We have to have reality kick us in the face enough times to finally wake up. You simply haven't had that happen to you yet. But don't worry, you will.
I'd suggest talking to some veterans about this sort of thing. Or at least watching some of the content some of them have put up. Plenty of offensive truth no one wants to listen to just there alone.
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