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MysteriousFox36 In reply to alhasn [2021-01-21 02:58:33 +0000 UTC]

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BritishAssistant In reply to ElvenRaptor [2016-03-14 23:24:04 +0000 UTC]

While Chara may be responsible for certain things in the game (hurting Asgore by putting buttercups into the pie, committing suicide to goad Asriel into going to the surface to collect five more human souls to break the barrier), these are all things done in the past and can be read as the actions of a misguided child who doesn't really understand what they are doing. The point of the comic is that, while Chara may have done bad things and probably wasn't "the greatest person" they are not the one who kills all the monsters in the underground. The player is. The player chooses to do a genocide run, and has no idea Chara even exists until they reach the end. Think of Chara as being like Eleanor from Bioshock 2; the way they act and treat others at they end of the game is entirely based on how the player acted during it. No one is being "forced" or "manipulated" into doing ANYTHING by ANYONE. The comic's point is that many people utilize Chara as a convient scapegoat to pin the blame for the atrocities they committed to avoid feeling guilt about their own transgressions against the characters they loved just because they wanted to "see what would happen". Hope this helps explain things a little bit better.

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alhasn In reply to BritishAssistant [2018-03-21 17:31:31 +0000 UTC]

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ElvenRaptor In reply to BritishAssistant [2016-03-14 23:32:44 +0000 UTC]

Well, if that was entirely the point, then the creators would have done well to not the bit in Chara's speech at the end of the Genocide Run as being "the urge" they kept feeling to go on and finish it despite the monstrous actions they would have to take. It puts one under the impression that Chara is a Revenant out for blood from the beginning.

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BritishAssistant In reply to ElvenRaptor [2016-03-17 01:57:27 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, they left that a bit ambiguous didn't they? But I think that if Chara was really a revenant that was out for blood right from the start that they would have had a more definite "presence" in the actual gameplay, especially in the pacifist and neutral runs; even if they are an incopereal ghost, I don't think they would take Frisk's constant mercies very lightly and would gradually try to push Frisk over the edge into giving in to the desire to kill any way they could. I also believe that Chara does sort of note this "urge" in their ending speech when they tell the player to erase this world and move onto the next. If the player refuses, Chara might see this as the player keeping them from peace and satisfaction via the completion principle (our brains can't bear to see things incomplete or unfinished) and so wrest control from the player in order to take the fulfillment they psychologically demand and complete what may seem to them to be something akin to a holy crusade. 

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ElvenRaptor In reply to BritishAssistant [2016-03-17 02:06:30 +0000 UTC]

So the bad ending players get at the end of a Pacifist Run if they did a Genocide Run first is Chara's way of depriving us of OUR satisfaction because of how we took away his happy ending first? So the implication would be that our actions drove him to madness and he's become the same kind of monster we were if we did a Genocide Run.

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BritishAssistant In reply to ElvenRaptor [2016-03-17 13:30:41 +0000 UTC]

 Yeah, that's pretty much it! After all, the player have to sell their "soul" to Chara if they want to play the game again after a genocide run, and Chara pretty much sucker punches them in the gut if the player try to "undo" their past misdeeds by doing a pacifist run. I often like to think of the game as a perfect example of existentialist philosophy; people have the terrifying burden of having the freedom to do whatever they want and facing the consequences for those actions, with no one else to take the blame or praise for those actions because they were entirely yours.

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ElvenRaptor In reply to BritishAssistant [2016-03-18 03:30:02 +0000 UTC]

Well said. Even with all this in mind, I'm still ambivalent concerning Chara.

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BritishAssistant In reply to ElvenRaptor [2016-03-18 12:03:39 +0000 UTC]

That's fine! After all, only you can form your own conclusions, I can't make you agree with mine. Thank you for the interesting conversation!

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ElvenRaptor In reply to BritishAssistant [2016-03-20 06:30:51 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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