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phyantom000 β Confederate Stamp 1.0
Published: 2009-05-29 20:20:15 +0000 UTC; Views: 2548; Favourites: 44; Downloads: 30
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This is my first stamp...can you tell? I think i will upload another version later, when i have more practice.Anywho this is something i have been wanting to do for awhile and never got the chance, until now.
This is the confederate battle flag, a lot of the people who actually fought in the confederate army were not slave owners and two of them i can directly trace my family line to.
This is not about saying i'm better because i'm white it's about saying i had a great great grand-father and great-grand uncle who fought in the confederate army and i don't want to forget them.
If you have an ancestor who served in the confederate army please fill free to use this stamp or make another version, if you want to.
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I have no problem with the confederate flag as long as it's the correct one
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Truly an astonishing stamp, Deviantart needs more stamp creators like you to preserve the original meaning of the Confederacy and the Confederate battle flag.
God bless you.
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The hate-mob don't know any real history, they aren't interested in researching it. Sometimes they give a link to some supposed historical website, but what they claim there does not match-up with what's in the actual Ordinances of Secession.
This a scanned copy of the original of the State of Florida's Ordinance of Secession:
www.museumoffloridahistory.comβ¦
This is what it actually says:
Ordinance of Secession.
We, the People of the State of Florida in Convention assembled, do solemnly ordain, publish and declare: That the State of Florida hereby withdraws herself from the Confederacy of States existing under the name of the United States of America, and from the existing Government of said States; and that all political connection between her and the Government of said States ought to be and the same is hereby totally annulled, and said union of States dissolved; and the State of Florida is hereby declared a Sovereign and Independent Nation; and that all ordinances heretofore adopted in so far as they create or recognize said Union are rescinded; and all laws or parts of laws in force in this State, in so far as they recognize or assent to said Union be and they are hereby repealed.
Done in open Convention, January 10th, A.D. 1861
What's often cited online by the hate-mob is a different version - without the scanned image of the original for verification. They fraudulently change the text by adding words that are not in the original portraying the main reason for secession as being in defence of slavery. They're basically lying. There's no mention of slavery in the original text at all.
They also don't seem to know which flag is which. It's the Confederate Navy Jack which is most often associated with rebellion and freedom from oppression. The Confederate Battle Flag looks similar, and has also been used in the logos of anti-racism and anti-war groups, and was really popular in this purpose during the height of the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
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The KKK at it's height used the USA flag far more often
www.rulen.com/kkk/kkkflag3.jpg
www.rulen.com/kkk/kkkflag6.jpg
www.rulen.com/kkk/kkkflag7.jpg
Mention these facts, the hate-mob start screaming insults or claiming these are "bias links" or other excuses.
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I had family in my father's side fight. He's actually part of the Sons of the confederate and I agree with what you said. It's a pity that people keep trying to change history to go with their sensibilities. Racism and historical revisionism (which could also be called cultural cleansing) is what is truly offensive not some old flag used during what was basically a thwarted revolution. If you think about it the Civil War was the Revolutionary War but with the Union playing the past of England. I'm not saying that the Confederancy was completely innocent, because it wasn't, I'm just saying that neither was it completely in the wrong and the same could be said of the Union. I'm glad to be a Rebel from the South just as I'm grateful for my German heritage from my mother. A place is more than the government's past mistakes no matter how disastrous they were when it occurs. "Those who ignore the past and forget it's history will be doomed to repeat it."
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I live in the South.Β I like the South.Β I don't like this flag.
Here's what the designer of the Confederate Flag said about his own creation - βAs a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MANβS FLAG.β
And this was a battle flag used to kill American soldiers wage a war explicitly to protect the institution of slavery.Β If you'd like, I can give you quotes from the declarations of secession passed by the various southern legislatures to officially withdraw from the US.Β They were very clear that they were leaving to support slavery.Β It didn't become a cultural norm to pretend the civil war wasn't about slavery until much more recently in US history.Β
After the war, no one really used this flag as a symbol to represent the South.Β For a very long time.Β in the 1940s, about 8 decades later,Β the Dixiecrats and KKK brought it into popular use, really for the first time, in their own campaigns explicitly designed to hurt black people.
Only then did it start to become a cultural symbol for the South.
I think there's plenty of room for people to mean different things when they use this symbol.Β
And I appreciate that the OP is honoring his family members.
I also appreciate your respect for your German heritage.Β But flying a battle flag like this would be a little like flying a swastika.Β
And there are no government building in Germany with swastika's flying over them.Β
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I can respect what your saying and I'm not saying that the South was right but it wasn't completely in the wrong either since it was a war against more than just the slavery issue. Also some African Americans fought willingly for the Confederacy. I'm not justifying them I just dint like when history is twisted and contorted beyond recounting of the original which is often a mix of the victors and the defeated stories. Oh and the swastika is much older than the Nazis so there's nothing inherently bad about it aside from the fact that it brings them to mind. I don't like fighting (except when I'm play fighting with my siblings or a good friendly debate) I just don't like dealing with ignorant or misinformed people. I had to suffer through too many Nazi/Hitler jokes through school because of my mother's blood. I'm not saying you are since since you're able to send me quotes and such, but other people are. I also beleived that this division of opinion has the potential to cause a spark that might flame into another civil war. One more deadly than the first. It was nice talking to you though
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Its kind of a sad irony that the swastika, as used in Sanskrit, is supposed to be a symbol of life and harmony. It is supposed to show different elements from different directions converging on a single point.
And while the swastika is officially banned in Germany, at least for any official purposes, the iron cross, which often appeared with the swastika, is still very much in use. It has been a symbol of German military honor since the crusades and so can be found on tanks and aircraft today.
You can also find it on a lot of German War Memorials for both WW1 and WW2. So there is a difference between glorifying a state and remembering those who gave their lives for their homes and families.
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Yes that is sad and ironic. I would like to have an Iron Cross necklace like Ludwig&Gilbert has. I agree there is a difference but there are obsessive people on both sides of an argument and there is not much you can do to reason with those people as sad as it is.
Hopefully no one will go and yell obscenities at me when I upload the Civil War fanfic I've written but if they do I hope that I can talk cordially to them.
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My great-great Grandfather on my Father's side was a Confederate Cavalry Officer.Β
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well you can blame groups such as the KKK for its current definitionΒ
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Thanks for making this stamp, my friend; not many truly understand the story of the South thanks to the Union propaganda, and I'm thankful to see you proud of your brave ancestors
I'm definitely wanting to use this stamp
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Hell, both sides of my family have lived in the same friggin county since the 1840s or 1850s. No doubt they fought in the war, and despite being called a racist and such, this flag is still a proud symbol of the South. It's a shame that people don't understand that these days.
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I'm from Indiana, which was a Union state. However, I do understand why the Southern states began to secede. It's a rather complicated issue, not helped by the idiotic decisions of the pre-Civil War president, James Buchanon (whose choice to try and prevent secession was to insult both parties involved). Though, I do admit to admiring some people who fought for the Confederacy (in particular, Robert E. Lee).
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I'm a Virginian, and, though I didn't agree with the *obvious* aspect of the Confederacy that made everyone and their mother hate it, I understand why they fought.
...I mean, I still think the North should'a won, and I'm glad it did, but the South had its reasons to go up and against. Again, *that* one was not justifiable, but, well, you know.
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Well there is also a certain question of principles. Slavery is wrong but did the Federal government have the right to simply bang it's gavel and declare it dead? Could Congress tell the states what kind of business they could and could not have? It's like a few years back the government offered the bale out some big companies provided the company did business they way congress wanted. Did congress have the power or the right to tell the private sector how to run their business?
Like today, pollution is wrong but does the Feds have the right to tell you what kind of car to drive? Can the president simply sign a bill and declare gasoline cars illegal?
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You're saying that if I hired someone to kidnap you and stick you in a sweatshop with no pay for the rest of your life, it would be presumptuous for a government to step in and say that's not alright?
Wow.Β
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So if i escaped from said sweatshop and went on a killing spree that included your family, your friends, your coworkers and 60 other people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time the government should give me a medal as a champion of freedom and justice?
Because that happened.
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I see whatcha mean, but those are kinda weird topics to compare given the moral baggage 
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I'm southern and each time I tell someone they accuse me of being racist,even my best friend called it racist and slavery.
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Because you're Southern? I'm a non-white Southerner and I sympathize with you, man :<. That's just terrible.
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Yep,and it's insulting
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I know a guy from Canada who wears a T-shirt with the Confederate battle flag on it. He shakes the hand of anyone that understands it's the battle flag (most people in the north think it was the flag of the confederate government) and then explains why he wears it.
He wears it as a sign of solidarity between the Southern US and Western Canada, which has since the birth of Canada been taken advantage, had economic pressures placed upon and political freedoms culled by the government of the East. Now that Western Canada has gained strength Eastern Canada wants Western Canada to just forget and "stop whining". It's frustrating really.
So some places in Western Canada you see people flying the Confederate Flag and the Metis Flag as a reminder of the failed Metis revolution/secession of 1885. It's become to a good number of Western Canadians a symbol of resistance and freedom.
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I totally agree. I've got grandfathers who fought on BOTH sides of that conflict, and I'm proud of all of them.
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Then why do you bother posting?
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My great great grandfather fought ifor the coafederacy too.
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THANK YOU! Finally, a fellow Southerner who feels how I do about the Confederate Flag! I ain't a racist by no means, but people treat me like I am just because I respect this here flag. And that ain't it at all, it's about the fact that my great great great grandad was a general on the Confederate side(General Polk), and I don't want his memory to fade! In fact, I have his uniform! It sits in my closet respectfully in it's own little niche.
Tell me, what state you from brother? I'm from Mississippi myself. Pleasure to meet ya'll.
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I am from Arkansas, not just Americans of European have a stake in the confederate flag. Stand Watie was a Cherokee Indian the first native American to achieve the rank of Brigadier General and the last Confederate General to surrender and disarm.
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Yeah! I read we were gonna give the Native Americans their own seperate state for helping us.
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Whoo! I am related to many Conferderate leaders, and I am tired of being lashed out at because I am proud of my anscestors! I love this stamp!!!!
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We Scotland like the Confederate flag (cause its similar to ours) but sadly racist political groups in both America and over here use it to promote hatred and intolerance. Good for you though for making this though man
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Its sad to know that your side of the pond has its racist garbage trying to co-opt our beautiful Southern Cross. Both flags share the same root symbolism: St. Andrew's Cross. Most white Southerners are of Scots-Irish origin. The ties are there as well as with others all over the world no matter what skin color or nationality who honor this flag as a symbol of freedom and self-determination.
Keep up the good fight against hate there and never allow them to set the terms of defining our St. Andrew's Cross! Heritage Not Hate!
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You too man
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I like this. In my room, I have an American Flag. I tend to soon buy a Confederate Flag to go with it.
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The south succeded from the union becouse of heavy taxation not slavery, like it says in most history boooks
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*seceded, and, well, you can't deny that slavery had a part in it. It was obvious that slavery was gonna end soon and people got anxious about their futures, but the reason was financial, like you say, not to do with the...well, you know.
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I agree, it's about heritage. I actually saw someone wearing a Confederate replica cap and holding up a Confederate flag at a Tea Party. I was impressed to see it, because one of the things I have come to dislike is when people look at the flag and think "OMG racist."
When that happens, I look at it as an example of people being very ignorant of the actual history. I mean, the North wanted to impose tariffs, the South's economy was deeply rooted in all the extra work provided by slavery, and while the entire nation was moving toward abolishing the practice in the first place, it would have taken a little longer in the South--but as it was, we were given NO TIME to find alternate means. And yes, slavery is wrong--but there were black Confederate soldiers, Jewish Confederate soldiers (I was born in Fort Meyers, which is named after a Jewish soldier who was named Abraham, I believe) and therefore the reputation of "racism" is without premise. If any members of the pseudoKKK fly it now, they are making a grave mistake in the imagery they choose to use, imho.
Also, I say pseudoKKK because the original Klan was formed as a police force during Reconstruction to try to fight back against the murdering, raping, and otherwise assault on Southerners by the Yankees. I personally feel that the modern KKK is an abomination that twisted the "let's protect" idea into "we hate black people" and I feel that they are an embarrassment.
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I absolutely agree with you Deae.
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You're very welcome.
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The Civil War was a long time ago. And the War was not about slavery it was about economics and how it relates to freedom(and aside from the slavery issue the South was right). So if to some this flag is just about heritage then maybe it is. On the other hand it would piss me off to see someone me fling a blood red swastika. There are two sides to everything and unfortunately right and wrong isn't always black and white. But phyantom000 most people see this as meaning "I'm a big stupid racist redneck." Right or wrong that's what they see. Maybe consider finding a new symbol of southern heritage to display. I grew up in the south and I like the rebel flag because I'm rebellious but I don't tattoo it on my forehead or something.
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So does that mean we can make union flags? How come the south is the only portion of the country that still gives a shit about these flags anyway?
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People do make Union flags... up north.
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You do realize the Union flag was the US flag, yes? Of course we have it up north. They have it down south too, because they lost.
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