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thank you too!!! //q7q//
this lil'n likes to eat BUGS >:O!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is 14 taken? Wanted to ask since you said someone was interested in them ^~^
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14 is available! they were only mentioned for being "too simple" lol;;
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I'd love to claim then ^~^ I adore the design
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Also oops for got to mention I'l be paying with paypal!
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thank you so much!!
you can send payment to paypal.me/flufferbuns/15
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thank you so much!! careful not to eat them!!
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Wah thank you so much & no promises xD
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sure thing!! would you prefer with points or paypal?
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alrighty!
you can send right to here
paypal.me/flufferbuns/15
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thank you so much!!
caution: DO NOT SIP!!!!
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As cute as these are #3 is just a white hamster ;o;
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yeah, i love the art but i have to agree, 3 and 14 are kinda,,, too simple,,? no offense but the are really nothing more than white and blue hamsters,, 14 is at least fuzzy,,,
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additionally I've bought similar simple designs for over $20 from other artists whom I support and like the art from. I've personally sold simple designs for more in the past.
what matters is who wants them and is willing to spend money on them.
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Hey, I just want to say I really appreciate you standing up for yourself like this. I know it's just to defend yourself, but if more artists would do this, maybe people would just quiet down.
I've been treated this way many times, only because I want to at least earn minimum wage and afford groceries like anyone else... Apparently $10 to $20 for a simple icon commission makes me a selfish, greedy artist who hates art and only uses it to fatten my Scrooge McDuck money swimming pool. I've actually been told to drop dead from some people or sworn at just because I won't give them free art.xD And as someone with severe anxiety, if I try to engage with them, I might just end up so angry I'm crying on the other side of the computer screen. And I can't think of what to say. It's stupid. So I usually just ignore them, they're not worth my time. Then they probably think their entitled opinions are justified. And just turn around and treat someone else rudely.
It's really nice to see someone try to break that cycle. I need to be more assertive too. Thank you, you two definitely deserve your success and I wish you more. I'm proud to watch you.<3
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I LOVE YOU SARI YOU ARE A GREAT TREASURE AND YOUR ART IS GOOD AND I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO BUY GROCERIES I WISH I COULD AFFORD TO SUPPORT YOU MORE OFTEN I WILL SAVE UP SOME MONEY AND THROW IT AT YOU BECAUSE YOUR LOVE OF ART AND CUTE BEANS MAKES ME V HAPPY
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Awww just your support is enough, thank you.<3<3
I was just making an example that wages can be really important.
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thank you honestly!
I actually make it a point to tell them not to treat other artists like this. We're both at opposite ends, unable to convince the other, so of course they defy that.
It drives me nuts seeing people who had no intention of purchasing the design complain about its simplicity. The designs they complained about already sold, like I kept telling them, value is subjective. If they find the design is too simple and doesnt fit their tastes, that's fine, it really is, they dont have to buy it. People are able to spend theitheir money how they see fit, it's the argument artists have faced and will face for time to come. It's up to the artists to stand up for their work and stomp blunt opinions masked as critique where it starts.
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Yes, exactly. You should put all this stuff in a journal, it would help others to be able to reference your words and instead of arguing they could just drop a link.x3
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dude, i literally love your art and im a proud owner of at least one base by you, i was just saying that i think its kind of scummy to have the mentality of "people will buy it even if there's nothing to buy". im not trying to be rude or even mean, simple criticism at worst
abd uh,, yea,, i do realise i dont have to buy them. i just dont like the decision so im voicing my concern, so hopefully you can maybe see where im coming from
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it's disrespectful to point out and isn't just criticism.
it's the same argument people have against species as a whole.
why buy a myo, you're buying nothing but rights to draw something
you already had the ability to draw? people spend their money on things
they want to and see value in. just because you don't see value in it doesn't mean
someone else won't. you came in during a small parade of people commenting
that people shouldn't be buying the designs because they're too simple.
that's not criticism that's rude.
and how to expect to be helping when you're replying to someone else which i
would get no notification from??
"yeah, i love the art but i have to agree, 3 and 14 are kinda,,, too simple,,? no offense but the are really nothing more than white and blue hamsters,, 14 is at least fuzzy,,,"
i just don't understand how this was intended to "help" or be any kind of criticism.
you're making a statement and devalueing our work, i don't really know what you expected.
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i think there was a misunderstanding
i buy rights to a design
a design is a product
if a design is too simple - it holds no rights
therefore - no actual value - once obtained, its gonna be harder to sell because all art you gonna get of it is gonna be of any generic one color hamster
criticism doesnt need to be sugar coated, i thought i really didnt have to say 3 compliments before pointing out a simple to fix tiny issue i have with one or two adopts you made
thank you for pointing out for the third time, yes, im not interested in the design
and for the love of god, please dont take it as me attacking your entire brand
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that's where "do not buy it if you do not see value" comes from.
vote with your dollar. if you don't like the design, if you don't see value in it
you don't buy it. these designs are similar to designs i've made in the past.
i could list many designs that are simple, cost near $10 or more that others and even me
myself have purchased:
(sorry for the tags guys!!;; )
people find value in simplicity. people also find value in supporting art & artists they like.
it boils down to buying it if you like it, and not buying it if you don't.
i just don't know what else to tell you.
additionally, i'm not asking for compliments, i'm saying replying this:
"yeah, i love the art but i have to agree, 3 and 14 are kinda,,, too simple,,? no offense but the are really nothing more than white and blue hamsters,, 14 is at least fuzzy,,,"
to someone else, stating there's nothing more to the designs than hamsters, is not criticism, i'm sorry.
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OH GOSH SLUGGLES <3 I LUFF <3
Milky is love <3
AND HAMMIES ARE PRECIOUS AND PERSONALLY MY FAVOURITE WAS THE LIL WHITE FELLER HE HAS CHUBBER CHEEKS AND A SWEET SPROUT <3
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welp, i guess there is no point in repeating my point any longer, sorry for taking you time
good day toyou
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that's because you can't counter me anymore, your points fall flat.
please don't do this to any other artists, it's disrespectful and devalues their effort and time.
have a nice night
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no not really, its because you try to counter a point thats kinda a fact and just because people do it doesnt make it right
i will call out stuff that bothers me, especially if im not the only one. i have before, others took it well.
and i will treat your designs same as i would treat any other, your popularity isnt a free pass to do anything without anyone noticing, thank you
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if you decide to disrespect an artist, dont expect them to just sit back and take it.
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i never disrespected you, i called out an issue and a bad practice, i praised your wok and artstyle, you chose to be petty and take it very personally
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I feel this. Their response was no way to handle criticism, especially because we clearly like their art but just had one thing to say about it. If we didn’t like it why would we be watchers? But I feel this, what we were saying is coming from a good place.
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i'll quote my reply to them:
"it's disrespectful to point out and isn't just criticism.
it's the same argument people have against species as a whole.
why buy a myo, you're buying nothing but rights to draw something
you already had the ability to draw? people spend their money on things
they want to and see value in. just because you don't see value in it doesn't mean
someone else won't. you came in during a small parade of people commenting
that people shouldn't be buying the designs because they're too simple.
that's not criticism that's rude.
and how to expect to be helping when you're replying to someone else which i
would get no notification from??
"yeah, i love the art but i have to agree, 3 and 14 are kinda,,, too simple,,? no offense but the are really nothing more than white and blue hamsters,, 14 is at least fuzzy,,,"
i just don't understand how this was intended to "help" or be any kind of criticism.
you're making a statement and devalueing our work, i don't really know what you expected."
same can be said yo your comment "As cute as these are #3 is just a white hamster ;o; "
i don't understand how this is intended to help anything but give your opinion how you don't see the value in the work.
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“you came in during a small parade of people commenting
that people shouldn't be buying the designs because they're too simple.”
That’s not what we said at all and that was not the message we were trying to send. It is indeed a critique. Similar to saying something looks too big on a piece of art. Or that something looks off. What you can do as an artist is listen to the criticism and use it in the future, or ignore it. Taking it as an attack on your business is the last place that the message is trying to coming from.
It’s less of, “this is too simple no one should buy it.” And more of, “the others look great but why is this one just a white hamster?”
Your argument is that no matter what it is, as long as someone wants it that’s all that matters, but that promotes laziness, less creativity. If there’s room to improve, wouldn’t you chose to improve rather than settle with, “someone will buy it regardless of it’s true quality.”?
I think we have all right, as viewers and watchers of your art, to question or show concern for why one design is not of the same quality as what we’re used to seeing.
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It is a large design batch of 16 designs that believe it or not took most of the day yesterday, on a base set that we made in the same day.
These are not unsimilar from designs we have put out in the past and have sold for equal if not more amount. You have every right to voice your opinion but if you are going to do so find a way to word it so it reaches as real criticism rather than a complaint that it's so simple it should not be sold for the amount it is.
This is not unlike other adopts we have sold, that's where the confusion stems from.
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I haven’t see designs from you that could beat the simplicity of white hamster that sold for more. I saw these
Like #20, but these were only sold for $5, which isn’t much. However, white hamster sold for 3x as much. (Only bringing the price up because you said other simple designs sold for more, which I couldn’t find and haven’t seen before.)
Your style can be simplistic, which is fine, because it works really well at times, like #14 and #15 on the sheet we’re currently talking about. They’re close to one color yet the have texture, accents. They look great. But white hamster...just has cream paws and ears, like a white hamster would.
Also again, I never said it shouldn’t be sold, but you keep bringing it up like you’re quoting me. I knew the whole sheet would eventually sell because that’s what happens to popular art.
What would be the way to phrase what I said that would make it classify as “real criticism”? Not to be snarky, because I know it’s easy to misinterpret things over the internet, but I’m genuinely curious.
Because it wasn’t a complaint at all, it was more confusion as well.
edited some typos
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i am not forcing anyone to purchase anything from me. i am not forcing their hand to reach into their wallet and give me their money for a design they do not want.
it's optional, they have free will and if people value my art/designs at $15 then they do! if you don't, that's fine! you do not have to purchase designs from us.
you keep bringing up "popular" but it's not like i asked for or started that way. i worked to get to where i am today. if someone can make a simple design that sells for $15 then wouldn't
you be happy for them being able to do that well with their art rather than be bitter that a design you don't even want is being sold to someone who does want it?
stating "this design is is just a hamster" isn't any kind of criticism. you're making a statement expressing you do not see the value in the design. and that's fine! you don't have to.
you don't have to buy it and you don't have to favorite it. you accomplish nothing but making the artist feel devalued. it does not matter if you do not see the value.
someone will. that's why it's a design batch. you get to pick the one you want.
design b here is "just a rabbit" $15
the deer, hamster, squirrel, are all just that.
$20
1 is just a looped ferret. $30
5 is just a pink blob $80
value is seen by the person who wants the designs.
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That’s fine and dandy and all that someone wants the design but that still doesn’t change that it’s a white hamster, produced by an artist with much potential, and being okay with selling a mediocre design.
And I’ve only said you were popular once. I don’t know where this “you keep bringing it up” comes from. And I’m not bitter about the design, like I said, it’s surprising and concerning to see such a basic design being made to sell for profit from someone I’ve seen better from. The design was never upsetting, ugly, worthless, or whatever negative thing you thought I was calling it. It’s just plain and basic. That’s pretty much it. The design hasn’t put a bad taste in my mouth, but your attitude towards the criticism has.
Yes, I don’t value the design as much as the others, that’s why I didn’t purchase it. But me calling a hamster just a white hamster IS criticism because it implies that the design is not at it’s full potential like the others. It would be the same thing as saying something was too pink or the art was too stiff. In this case, the hamster is too basic. You could either look again at what is being criticized and reconsider, or disagree and move on. But to say legit criticism is rude and put words into other people’s mouths, your fans mouths no less, is where things start to look worse than the issue of the design itself.
Design B has patterns and markings, making it different and more unique
Same for deer, hamster, squirrel. They are not one color, they have personality and features.
Looped ferret has markings, shape, patterns. Pink blob isn’t even an animal and references a berry, thus making it unique
white hamster is just a white hamster with a sprout on it’s head. No markings, uniqueness, anything to make it different from any other white hamster. Say a YouTube channel has a white hamster as a mascot and as popular as the sprout heads are, put a sprout on it. That hamster purchased vs the channel mascot would be no different. The is less likely to happen with the example design you’ve given, and that’s because they’re more creative than white hamster. Does that make a little more sense?
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Your mascot example is taking it way deeper than anyone on deviantart cares to consider. If someone wants a more unique design, they can commission one. People are aware of what they're buying, they can see it. They know if something is too simple or basic, they make the the conscious decision to still purchase it. Most people who buy a simple design dont go around telling other people they cant have similar designs. It's just common courtesy and people know better.
I honestly dont know what else to say to you but dont do this to other artists in the future.
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yes, and we worked hard to get to the point where we're at. i don't see what's wrong with people buying something they want to be buying, simple or not.
they're buying the art, they're buying the character, and they're supporting the artist.
if you do not see value, then you do not buy it. nothing is being "claimed"
they're simply designs/art being sold. if someone wants it, they want it! if not, they just don't.
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Don't let people get you down buns! I love you and your designs!!!!!!! Owning one of your gatcha friends is one of my minor life's dreams ^.^
you guys are rock!!!!!
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thank you!! it's not that i don't understand they're simple designs, but we've been doing this for so long it just?? is so rude haha;;;
ALSO WOW THAT'S A BIG COMPLIMENT QVQ <3333
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It's your own base too as well! You worked hard to make these children! I wish I could afford one xD
Yaaaay I'm glad you're happy!!!!!!!!!!! You're awesome beans ^.^ *hugs you guys*
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well you dont have to buy it then! someone else is already interested in it anyway.
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Awwww i was gonna buy 10 xD
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