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Garveate [2013-05-13 15:20:32 +0000 UTC]

If we didnt have a centrist on the ticket we may not have won. For all his faults I feel Obama is doing a much better job that Romney would have. I also wanted all the change right now but sometimes change comes in the form of evolution and not a revolution. The President can only lead if the congress agrees to follow. The congress should only agree to follow if the constituents agree with the path.

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autogestion [2013-05-13 05:39:06 +0000 UTC]

was just discussing this with a former high school classmate

if they let me choose whether they ll be using rocket launchers
armor piercing bullets
rubber coated steel
or pepper spray
i d be voting for the pepper spray
not that i d actually support getting pepper sprayed

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DurtyDeeds93 [2013-05-13 04:53:00 +0000 UTC]

I voted Green in 2012. It was my last vote before going Red and Black. I suggest you become a thorn in their side and do the same. Trusting Democrats is like asking to get a knife in your back.

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HerbFellow [2013-05-13 03:58:26 +0000 UTC]

Promises, promises, followed by disappointment and business as usual.

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ciscobuddy [2013-05-13 01:26:01 +0000 UTC]

Awesome!

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EscapeingRunaway [2013-05-13 00:54:18 +0000 UTC]

Can't legally vote intill 2022 but I still hope we get some better candidates on both sides.

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RedSuzanne [2013-05-12 21:17:32 +0000 UTC]

LMAO!! Ain't that the truth?

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F1st-of-R3volution [2013-05-12 18:55:34 +0000 UTC]

Are you an socialist?

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poasterchild In reply to F1st-of-R3volution [2013-05-12 20:05:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, I guess it depends on what kind of "socialist" you're talking about. I'm damn sure not a Marxist-Leninist. I'm probably somewhere between democratic socialists on the western European model (e.g., Norway or Sweden) and the left wing of the Democratic Party (e.g., Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, and Liz Warren). The contemporary American politicians I most emulate would probably be Henry A. Wallace (FDR's third vie president and a former Secretary of Agriculture) and Bobby Kennedy. I don't like totalitarians of any political stripe.

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F1st-of-R3volution In reply to poasterchild [2013-05-13 17:51:59 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I was talking about Social Democrats!

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poasterchild In reply to F1st-of-R3volution [2013-05-13 20:56:17 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I'm comfortable with that.

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F1st-of-R3volution In reply to F1st-of-R3volution [2013-05-12 18:56:00 +0000 UTC]

PS: Funny pic!

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Draggah-N [2013-05-12 18:45:14 +0000 UTC]

I usually enjoy your work, but this would be a foolish attitude to adopt. "Sitting it out" would only ensure that the people you LEAST like get elected.

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barney-nedward In reply to Draggah-N [2013-08-23 05:13:31 +0000 UTC]

Actually your vote doesn't count. The electoral chooses the president. The popular vote exists only to give the illusion of choice.

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Draggah-N In reply to barney-nedward [2013-08-23 15:57:53 +0000 UTC]

I know how the Electoral College works, but when is the last time you saw it vote contrary to how any particular state's popular vote dictated (as set up by that state's laws and districts)? The ability to ignore the popular vote is there, but it rarely (if ever) happens. If it did happen in the modern day, you can be sure a huge public outcry would likely rectify the situation. The real question is what agenda do YOU have in trying to convince people not to vote?

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barney-nedward In reply to Draggah-N [2013-08-23 16:25:32 +0000 UTC]

2001 - Bush wins presidency despite losing popular vote. 2004 this happens again.

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Draggah-N In reply to barney-nedward [2013-08-23 18:18:37 +0000 UTC]

Well the first time was due to a Supreme court decision. The second time was due to the quirky way the Electoral College works. It goes state by state, so sometimes the *national* popular vote differs from the actual result. However on a state-by-state basis the popular vote decides who gets that state's electoral votes. Nice try though.

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barney-nedward In reply to Draggah-N [2013-08-23 20:25:09 +0000 UTC]

I still think we should get rid of it. Inbred hillbilly southern yokels in east bumfuck Boonies Arkansas are too stupid and unintelligent to vote wisely enough for their voice to matter.

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Draggah-N In reply to barney-nedward [2013-08-25 18:48:50 +0000 UTC]

Uh, unless you're being sarcastic then you should be arguing to KEEP it. I'm pretty sure that was the purpose of it to begin with.

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poasterchild In reply to Draggah-N [2013-05-12 19:56:41 +0000 UTC]

You know, I struggled with it, and then ended up taking your position vis-a-vis the 2012 election because I was so concerned about saving the social safety net. So, what happened next? Obama comes out with a plan to actually cut Social Security and benefits for disabled veterans by changing the way the annual cost of living adjustments for those programs are calculated. This is the same thing he did on civil liberties. He promised to veto the 2012 NDAA if it contained the provisions that permit the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial if they are accused of "terrorism," but then, signed the damn thing into law in the dead of night on December 31, 2012. It's not easy being a progressive Democrat these days, but perhaps the best course of action if we cannot get a real progressive nominated in 2016 is to actually sit it out, let the Teabaggers win, and let the country go hell in handbasket. That may finally get enough people irate enough that they will actually entertain a progressive alternative. Sometimes things must get worse before they can get better. One thing I know for sure, as things now stand, there is hardy a dime's worth of difference between so-called centrist Democrats like Obama and Clinton, and, "moderate" Republicans like Romney.

On the three issues about which I am most concerned -- civil liberties, economic justice, and the environment -- Obama is no different from the Republicans. I just can't bear the thought of having to make such a Hobson's choice again in 2016. Thanks for your comment.

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Draggah-N In reply to poasterchild [2013-05-13 04:40:10 +0000 UTC]

Well, I can certainly understand your frustration. However, to say that he's NO different is (more than) a bit of exaggeration. I think it would be foolish to accept a steaming shit sandwich (i.e. what ever the teabaggers would do) just because we can't get the cake we wanted. While finally getting an "I told you so!" moment might be a bit satisfying, whatever it takes to get to that point will likely not be worth it.

I would encourage you and everyone else here to avoid the temptation of such cynical nihilism.

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poasterchild In reply to Draggah-N [2013-05-13 08:29:53 +0000 UTC]

Since I care more about issues than candidates, my likely course of action will be to continue to work on those rather than party politics if indeed we're left with another Hobson's choice in 2016.

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Chargrin In reply to poasterchild [2013-05-12 22:47:17 +0000 UTC]

That's why I avoided the 2 parties all together and went with the candidate I saw that actually had a backbone. I researched all the candidates that were out, which surprisingly there were quite a few I had never heard of. I liked the Green party candidate the best because she refused to be bought and actually got rid of campaign donors who used lobbyists.

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