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's cute innocent inquisitor Leanna Trevelyan - who joined the new Misadventuring Inquisitors - isn't lucky in her love life (yet!).Related content
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I just really dislike the fact that she'd be so shocked and not in a positive way about Krem, he shouldn't be portrayed in a negative light for something like that? And the comments are just gross in general theres no topping that.
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He isn't portrayed in a negative light. If I made a discovery like she made, my reaction would be the same. AT FIRST. If it turned out that my boyfriend has breasts, I would be hell of shocked; then I would say it's okay, no problem, you're beautiful and amazing the way you are. Maybe she did that too? We don't know. And since we don't know, don't assume her reaction is negative. There's nothing negative in being surprised.
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This is gross. You're gross.
Literally fuck you for portraying Dorian and Krem like this.
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The only thing gross here is your comment. Learn how to take a joke and stop being mean to other people. If you have nothing nice to say, better shut up.
Woah, I just can't deal how shitty people nowadays get.
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Transphobia in this comic is the only things that's gross. Β If you arn't trans then you don't get to tell people how to view this crock of shit.
Better shut up.
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There is no thransphobia in this comic.
"If you aren't trans don't tell people..." Bla.
If you are not hetero don't tell hetero people what to do either.
And now quit this disgusting behaviour.
Hate is not good. You are reading some stupid meaning in this comic, that isn't there. There is no trans hate, no transphobia.
The girl is hurted, not because the first guy is gay, but because he will never love her. That's okay, but it broke her heart. What should a person do about it?
The girl is not laughing at the second guy or something. She is shocked. Again not because of hate, but because she wasn't expecting this and it will need a complete normal time to grow into understanding her new love, growing together and then bloom.
poly-m herself said, she has no luck in love - not yet. What means there is the absolute possibility to fall in love with Krem.
And now stop being hateful and stp doing what you preach others not to do. Understanding and love is something there hould be on both sides. And this hateful tumblr bashing on people is sad and disgraceful for all the Trans, Gay, Bi and Hetero People out there longing for nothing but love. Thanks.
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This is a hot mess, but yes sadly as much as you want to believe whatever you want to believe, this comic is transphobic as fuck. Β Her reaction to Krem having breast is literally transphobic. Β If they knew Krem and knew about his character then they would know that he is dfab. Β What did the artist expect to be under his clothes? Puppies? Β Thus the punchline of this girl not getting lucky is krem being trans. Β And she could of depicted Dorian another way rather than this gross caricature of his character.
The only thing disgusting is you trying to act like nothing wrong with the comic. Β Also, hetero people don't face discrimination for being hetero. Bye.
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So, where did you get from I hetero? Very interesting. You seem to completly know who I am and who I fuck and who I love. You seem to completly looked through me *gasp*
Next to it: Dorian is very playful in the game, I don't see your problem with this? Maybe butthurt?
And what if the character displayed in this comic didn't know about Krem?
Of course someone is shocked when seeing something he didn't expect. I would be shocked, if someone stripping in front of me had bad scars, I would be shocked if this person has three boobs. I would be shocked, if this person had two penises.Β
Does this mean I don't like this person anymore? Does this mean I wouldn't eb anymore interested in this person after growing over the short moment of shock? No! I would still be very happy and would do my best to understand the circumstances.
The only thing disgusting is you reading some shit inside of a sweet comic of an artist who is really understanding and loving to everyone and if you looked through poly-ms gallery you would see that.
And now get you shit together and stop your hypocritical "CIS"-phobic, "CIS"-hateful commenting, get a real life, try to understand other people and learn something new about the world. Bye.
PS: Every person hated for their sexuality would put their fist in your face for being hateful to someone because of their sexuality. And thats what you are. Hateful towards hetero people. Because of their sexuality. Ironic, isn't it.
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Transphobia isn't a damn joke. Dear god. Pleaaaase get your head out of your ass. Thanks.
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There is no transphobia in this comic. I don't want to make the previous comment again, read there if you want.
And quit being hateful on people you don't understand, if the thing you want to be the most is to be understood yourself.
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"quit being hateful on people you don't understand"
i'm laffin
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Since I have no idea, what word that is I used the Urban Dictionary.
An ignorant way of spelling "laughing". Used by someone who desperately seeks to be hip, cool and modern but in actuality simply flunked fourth grade spelling class.
e.g. Laffin at you.
Yeah okay, I have nothing else to say to that.
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omfg you are so fucking full of yourself hahahaha
yeah alright
lolbye
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Nope. Normally I am not full of myself. But when I talk to people like you I have the sudden feeling to have to throw up and when you're using stupid trash talking on me I get a little angry from time to time
Here, I try it with an adult argument I already said before, even if I think you will just write lololtroll like before:
"Of course someone is shocked when seeing something he didn't expect. I would be shocked, if someone stripping in front of me had bad scars, I would be shocked if this person has three boobs. I would be shocked, if this person had two penises.Β
Does this mean I don't like this person anymore? Does this mean I wouldn't be anymore interested in this person after growing over the short moment of shock? No! I would still be very happy and would do my best to understand the circumstances.
The only thing disgusting is you reading some shit inside of a sweet comic of an artist who is really understanding and loving to everyone and if you looked through poly-ms gallery you would see that.
And now get you shit together and stop your hypocritical "CIS"-phobic, "CIS"-hateful commenting, get a real life, try to understand other people and learn something new about the world. Bye.
PS: Every person hated for their sexuality would put their fist in your face for being hateful to someone because of their sexuality. And thats what you are. Hateful towards hetero people. Because of their sexuality. Ironic, isn't it."
That's what I meant with your hateful behaviour. But hey 
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I'm rather pleasantly surprised to find others also recalling Charlie Hebdo. Yes, humor can be offensive (or not, depends on what you have to lose), but censorship is just Not Okay. Threats against people who are simply exercising their rights to free speech is Not Okay. I'm glad there are others willing to speak up!
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I wouldn't be so angry, if poly-m hadn't got death treats from some of those "fighters of freedom and peace".
That's sad and the kind they are responsing without answering even one argument is just so dumb.
And then telling other people what they believe their sexuality must be, just because they argue against them?
Nevermind my anger 
I got 7 personal messages of people who didn't wanted to argue in the internet giving me right. Thanks to this people also
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Then when is something like this be talked about? Since this passes the trans-phobia line for you, what is the appropriate context to explore trans-sexuality? Β How would you address it? I don't do any x-phobia in my life and this comic didn't trip that trigger for me. Tell me where I missed my left at Albuquerque.
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The appropriate way to address this would be in another comic I've seen, where Krem is shown undressing in front of another romantic partner, who is given pause when Krem removes his shirt (showing he's wearing a binder, not revealing his breasts), and then the female partner enthusiastically gushes about his sexy abs. Β It's a way to explore a reaction to Krem's body and have it turn out in a positive way. Β Trans people experience enough negative reactions to their bodies in real life, and erasure on a daily basis. Β If Bioware was awesome enough to include a trans character, why would anyone want to include them in the kind of terrible treatment trans people already receive?Β
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The appropriate context to explore the sexuality of trans people is in a respectful and dignified manner and not as the butt of a fucking joke, for starters. That would be good.
Trans people are NOT a punchline. It is not appropriate to make a comic depicting a cis woman's reaction to Krem's body like 'omg wtf boobs?/!11'. That is not exploring sexuality of trans people. That is making a cheap, transphobic potshot. That is making light of a situation that many trans people have been in; a situation that may have been dangerous, hurtful or damaging to them.
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The tradition of satire *is* to make a point of situations that require light and understanding. Why is this perceived as trans-phobic when it's the heterosexual character that is clearly the one with emotional problems?
Plus, I think you're missing some important context. The comic strip here was a prequel to this comic:
And this was the sequel:
In my opinion, it's actually a beautiful instance of how Krem as a character is allowing people to explore their reactions to transexuality in a way that is safe which they may never have considered before. This is a GOOD thing. This is what you want to happen: the exchange of ideas, and the acceptance of people who are different from you; acceptance on their terms of who they want to be! I would go as far as to say I think it's what the writers intended, and it's working! So why are people who are presumably arguing for the acceptance of transexuality and gender expression also the first in line to call for censorship? Isn't that the DEFINITION of taking away a person's right to express themselves?
Without arguing about why, I think it's safe to say that heterosexuality is what society enforces. This also means most people don't get a chance to be exposed to other genders, and like anyone encountering a world-shaking idea for the first time, it's natural to be shocked. That doesn't mean the person is unaccepting or unwilling to accept an idea. It just means they're human and had an instinctive reaction. How their feelings towards something after that initial reaction could go many ways.
But what I see is many ugly, hateful words on this page that tell me it is NOT safe for people to explore their feelings for transexuality, because to show any kind of surprise or shock is to be scorned and degraded. How can a person be less human just because they told a joke? This kind of shaming does not welcome people into wanting to learn more about transexuality, it teaches people that the transgender topic is a subject that invites hatred and violence. Not because it actually is, but because the people who defend it visibly are violent and cruel. This is not how transgender people I've met offline actually behave, and it's not how I learned to discuss gender identity. I don't know about you, but I don't think that's what Krem would approve, either. (In fact, he and Iron Bull both are both very patient about explaining Krem's gender orientation to the Player if you pursue that line of questioning. And they *never* judge the Player for not knowing. That, by extension, is my read of what the writers themselves are trying to express and give to the Players to explore.)
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*Slight correction: I should say "spiritual prequel" just to be clear. The artists weren't working on a cohensive storyline, but the two comics were informed by each other.
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So everyone - you included - can make jokes about hetero people and their struggle in love, but if there is someone confused in love, because he isn't loved back (apparently because of a complete okay other sexual orientation) you keep screaming "burn the witch"? I really don't get you hateful guys nowadays. Also, just through a screen you can not see my face, you don't know who I am and who I love, but still you're just accousing others, like poly-m also? This is sad. And you guys should fast get your shit together already.
We are all together on this planet. We all want to be loved and be treated well. And if someone breaks my heart, I can not cry, because this person is gay? If someone has a shocking secret I have to grow into understanding, I can not have this time to love the other person even more than before, because I have to be from one second to another understanding and considerating, while non of you guys seem to consider other peoples feelings? No thanks. Keep the hate for yourself and leave this artist alone, if you don't like to be treated EQUAL. Because that is meant with it. Everyone is treated the same, loved the same... not a bunch of trolls who want to have all the understanding but refuse to try to understand others as well.
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This is gross as fuck. And no, Krem wasn't "originally a woman" He is a man. His body is male, he was born male.
This comic is transphobic, disgusting and hurtful.
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I'm a little bit at a loss here, so maybe clear something up.
Krem, in the biological sense, is physically a woman. They outlined this in his own words, in the game. She isn't looking to change that fact either.
However, he identifies as male and we address him as such throughout the rest of the game and I don't see anyone here disputing that or mitigating his identity. It isn't his end-all-be-all either. He has a full history outside of his sexual identity.
You likely won't, and that's fine, but if you could elaborate on how you find this transphobic, disgusting and hurtful I would appreciate it. I don't tolerate it in my life and I didn't find this comic to be any of those things. Enlighten me on where I went wrong.
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And don't fucking call Krem 'she'. Krem is a MAN. His pronouns are he/him. Don't call him she.
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Alrighty, you had me. You did. I was there at the finish line with you in your argument "not the butt of a joke" perspective. I see it where in this comic it crossed that line now that you had your moment.Β
Then you get on me for an OBVIOUS TYPO. Guess you missed where I call Krem a he for the rest of my question right? I couldn't have possibly made a simple mistake? My fingers just kept going? I bet you never switch things around. Were you just looking for something to bite down on? Is that your world?Β I was polite in the face of your justified-ranting. I was polite and courteous in my question. I was polite up until this point. So let me help you out.Β
Go fuck yourself you self-aggrandizing, pompous nitwit.Β
Here's the horrible part. I see where you're coming from, but you're such an asshole that I just don't care anymore.Β
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Biological gender (or even biological sex) is as much a social construct as gender is. You can find any number of articles about it on the Internet.
www.autostraddle.com/its-time-β¦ is a good article to start.
Krem wasn't "born female", he was assigned female at birth.
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Gross, transphobic, disgusting and hurtful?Β It's neither nor.Β Hurting is just your comment. Every considered people besde you have feelings, too? Poly-m made a joke about how everything Leanna looked for was in the end other than she expected. She does not make any kind of mean opinion about Krem or Dorian, just showed people sometimes are not like you expect them to be. Naturally she was shocked. Is that forbidden nowadays? Learn to be more gentle and kind towards others, before you demand such behaviour for yourself.
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Actually, it's all of those things. This comic reflects real-life attitudes towards trans people and their bodies. Trans people (and gay people) are used as a punchline in this comic. This comic is for cis people to laugh AT trans people, it's not a funny joke everyone can have a laugh at.
Biological gender (or even biological sex) is as much a social construct as gender is. You can find any number of articles about it on the Internet.
www.autostraddle.com/its-time-β¦ is a good article to start.
Krem wasn't "born female", he was assigned female at birth.
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Real life attitudes? In what way? You fall in love with a guy, he comes out to be gay. That's sad, because it breaks your heart! It has nothing to do with hate on gay men. You fall in love with a guy and he had once the biological gender of a woman? Okay, it will need time to grow into understanding the feelings and wishes of this person. Why? Not because you hate them, but because you were literally not aware before.
poly-m wrote in the descreption, that there is no luck in love - not yet.
There is the opportunity to grow into knowing and loving this person either way. And that's beautiful.
Thanks, but I already know enough about the tumblr typical "CIS" hate.
I'm, to be honest, digusted about how people who cried out the loudest for tolerance and love, are now the loudest in preaching hate againsst people, who are other than themselves.
People like you always complain about how others or like you say "CIS" people not want to try to understand and to feel with you. The truth is you are not giving the people time either to understand and feel. Instead you're insulting and hating and that's the problem that pulls people away from eachother. It's to much hate. And hate is never good. Neither from the side of hetero people nor of the side of the Trans and gay people.
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... Krem was born female.. They have more than one dialogue thread about it.Β
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Biological gender (or even biological sex) is as much a social construct as gender is. You can find any number of articles about it on the Internet.
www.autostraddle.com/its-time-β¦ is a good article to start.
Krem wasn't "born female", he was assigned female at birth.
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I would like to point out that Krem a woman in the medical sense. Play the game.
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I've played the game, thank you.
Biological gender (or even biological sex) is as much a social construct as gender is. You can find any number of articles about it on the Internet.
www.autostraddle.com/its-time-β¦ is a good article to start.
Krem wasn't "born female", he was assigned female at birth.
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how about don't make trans peoples genitalia the butt end of a joke lmao, no need to play the game to see that
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so you can't make fun of trans people, just like we can't make fun of anyone else in the world? Well gee, that sucks.
It's a joke, not meant to be taken seriously so please calm down.
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A joke for who? That's the question, isn't it? Exactly who is meant to get a laugh out of this? Trans people who have been literally murdered after they've been discovered to be trans? (this does happen, especially to trans women). You try being trans and laughing at a piece of art that may well reflect a very hurtful or even dangerous real-life experience.
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you're a fan of Anita aren't you?
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??? dont tell me to calm down? nah, you know what, tell all the trans people who have killed themselves for being trans to 'calm down'. see how that works out for you.Β
and yeah, literally, don't make fun of trans people, is it that hard? is it not simple enough for you?
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then don't make fun of anyone else for any difference ever, problem solved
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what even is the argument here?? yes, dont make fun of people. Especially for stuff like this. it may be a 'joke' but that doesn't make it alright whatsoever. It actually blows my mind you can't see the problem with this comic. Please reconsider defending stuff like this on the behalf of 'jokes' or 'satire'. Its incredibly harmful and a bit irresponsible.Β
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This is one of the most hyprocritical things I saw in a long time on devArt.
If you are free from ever making a joke on another person, you can talk again. But guess what. I know you did. And you know you did. And we both know in the future you will do a lot.
You want people to consider others feelings. But you don't have to, you are an exception of every rule you make. Sure thing. You know the best solution? You don't like the artists love for everyone and the artists wish to not leave trans people out of the sweet comics around love? Than just quit following.
You people are seriously out of control.
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oh my god lmao get your holier than thou attitude out of here. you're replying to literally everyone...because why? you are obviously right, and no one should question you??? What I said wasn't hypocritical at all. Don't make fun of trans people. Don't trivialize the shit they have to go through every day. Tbh, your argument doesn't even make sense
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*facepalm* Okay.
I shouldn't feed the troll so I am off.
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keuwah, krem buvant sa bouteille debout sur le sol et non debout sur sa chaise?
le monde devient fou!
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Elle n'a vraiment pas de chance XP jβespΓ¨re que Krem ne le prendra pas trop mal
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Haha! Poor Leanna.
Krem's awesome though,Β but it must of been a shock.
Jennifer Hale did a fantastic job with Krem's voice though, if I hadn't of known about Krem before playing DAI, I wouldn't of guessed it.
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Je... je ne peux pas... tu es... elle es... les dessins... les figures... les... *mort*
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