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The rant got deleted the first time.I told you there was a rant here.
Ahaha.. I might get a lot of hate for this...
[I wish there was a mature filter for 'be mature while reading this' but alas]
Ok, I couldn't sleep last night because this was bothering me.
This is an example of Obsessive World Building.
Be glad you do not have it people.
Jeff The Killer 2015 is NOT a retelling. It is a completely new story about a completely new character with the same name.
[OK, the story is not bad, it's well written, and relatively well paced, it's just not the Jeff I think we all came to love.]
This is mostly about the last few paragraphs in which Jeff's new personality as Jeff the Killer is revealed, and the part I know will stick with readers the most.
Normally I'd be ok with writing this off as an alternate universe, but when you delete the original and realize that kids from now on will be introduced to Jeff without the horrible written, unrealistic, campy story and the badly photoshopped photo it kind of hurts.
If I'd been introduced to him via the new story and then seen all the fanart I'd genuinely think it was a different character.
Maybe this is headcannon, but typing in Jeff The Killer to any art site confirms this belief of mine.
You do not use the word EMOTIONLESS to describe Jeff The Killer.
Majority of his pictures have strong emotional weight to them. Jeff is not a James Bond villain. He gets angry at BEN for beating him at videogames, he runs like hell from his fangirls, he gets annoyed waiting in line for the bathroom, he takes selfies with his dog(they made Jeff a cat person everyone), he cries on his brothers grave.
You need emotions to do that. You can not describe him as emotionless.
Jeff without emotions is like a remake of BEN DROWNED in Wind Waker.
Or a remake of Ticci-Toby where he likes pancakes.
Increasing his motivation to kill his parents is good until you realize that if he needed motivation to kill them, why would he kill anyone else?
If he just wanted to kill them, and clearly can control it, it's not like he'd suddenly have an urge to murder people left and right. If he did he would not have been able to have that conversation with Liu at the end. He would have either ran right away to avoid hurting his brother, or full on attacked him.
I feel like this story made the scenario more believable, but took away everything iconic about the character. If these things are mentioned anywhere beside the last 1/4 then that's just bad story structure. Missing are the
--smile
--charred eyelids
--Jeff's insane bliss
--white skin
--White hoodie
--ambiguous tragic ending
--humor in how bad the story was
Ok, let's be honest. Who's more badass and memorable, a kid who got into a fight, hit on the head with a wine bottle, covered in bleach and set on fire, or a kid who got shot with a flare gun in the face.
More importantly, which would you rather see a movie of..?
All the fanart is literally wrong now.
I hope I'm not the only one.
The story isn't bad. It's just that the official Jeff the Killer story is NOT ABOUT JEFF THE KILLER, and it pains me that this is now the reality of the character that helped me through the worst parts of my depression.
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DevilGirl20 [2017-02-09 13:27:24 +0000 UTC]
I see that you read the new fan version of his story. And I think his burn mark is supposed to look worse since the doctors said it was a third degree burn and the flare singed some of his hair off. And his left eye no longer works and I imagine it with a white coating on it due to the flare gun injuring it. I actually liked the new fan version better because Jeff's story is more relatable and believable. Like it could actually happen to someone. Also, I think they made him older based on how he talks and stuff. If I were to guess, he is probably 15-17 years old in this version.
I can see why you may not like this version because he is not the same. I get that. But many people seem to enjoy this new Jeff because, like I said earlier, he is a more relatable character. Their parents forced Jeff and his brother to move to a small town they feel is fake. Their parents ignore them most of the time and seem more worried about their reputations than of their sons. (I genuinely started to hate their parents because of how they treated them.) There are instances of police protecting the child they know the most than a kid that recently moved to the neighborhood, which happens in this story with the prick Randy. And how Jeff got injured seems more realistic because flare guns can be more easily found by kid than handguns.
(Mini rant: seriously, Randy and his friends in the original were younger than Jeff and getting their hands on guns is very unrealistic. They could have gotten their hands on one gun that their parents have hidden, but more than one is very unbelievable the more I looked into this.)
For my honest opinion about Jeff's character, I want to say he's more on the level of a sociopath than a psychopath. Psychopaths are depicted to not have a conscious most of the time when doing their crimes. A sociopath does have a conscious, but is generally weak. They know what they are doing is wrong, but can't do anything against it. Jeff felt that feeling of joy when beating up Randy's friends, but he knew it was wrong to feel that way, but kept feeling joy from it that it made him smile.
As for his parents, he had his reasons for killing them because they don't care about their sons at all. They didn't listen to their sons' side of the story, didn't care that Liu was injured and had a split lip from the fight, ignore them for most of the time, their parents sending Liu away and separating the brothers, their mother forcing Jeff to apologize to Randy and left him alone with Randy, who threatened to use the flare gun on him. And their mother bitching about Jeff's injuries and him making the family outcasts and having to homeschool him when she clearly didn't even want to be around him. So yeah, he had reasons to kill them, but he really didn't have a reason to kill Liu, so I liked the ending because he loves his brother. Some sociopaths can have people they don't want to hurt and Liu was the person Jeff didn't want to hurt. Even the original creator said that Jeff would never hurt his brother.
So I generally like the new fan version because Jeff is a more relatable character and the story was more well written about his relationship with his parents.
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to DevilGirl20 [2017-02-09 18:59:27 +0000 UTC]
And once again, original Jeff was a psychopath. Why change it? I loved that crazy fucker. If anything Jeff worked because he was on the loose. The original started out with a detail of a victim that isn't his family. We don't even get confirmation that he killed the bullied. In fact I totally forgot about them. From what I can tell Jeff just sort of ran off and never killed again. Because there was no 'and now to take care of that bastard Randy' (and again, if there was it was too early to be remembered by a casual or first time reader, or I have the worst memory) I don't think he had a motivation to kill anyone else.
JTK might not seem scary now, but he genuinely scared my little cousin because of the fact that he is a force of nature villain. Like the Joker. You can't do anything to stop him, he picks his targets randomly, and he could be anywhere. If you have to seriously abuse or piss him off theh theres a real easy way to defeat him. Just don't mess with him. And like that all tension is gone.
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to DevilGirl20 [2017-02-09 18:46:01 +0000 UTC]
Oh right. It's not a fan version. It is literally the Jeff the Killer story.
They deleted the original.
If they hadn't done that I might not be so mad.
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DevilGirl20 In reply to PreciousKnightwalker [2017-02-09 19:39:56 +0000 UTC]
Actually, the original fan version is still up (and yes, they are both fan versions because the original creator did NOT create them or contribute anything to them. I heard that he doesn't even like the 2011 version and has strong hatred for Jeff the Killer fans.)
villains.wikia.com/wiki/Jeff_t…
I'm just saying that this is the "sociopath" version of Jeff. It's to give readers a new perspective of him instead of a deranged killer with no conscious and kills his parents and brother without any reason (like seriously, he really had no reason to kill his brother). And who knows, he might still kill people after sparing Liu, who is technically the only person he cares about. (I'm hoping that he gets Randy...... I might continue it that he does get Randy and his punk friends back. Hehehe......) There could be possible changes to the 2015 version in the future. Like you said, they should have kept that newspaper article about the kid surviving Jeff's attack or changed it slightly that it fits the sociopath route. Like Jeff kills the parents of the kid because they are neglecting the child (which would remind Jeff in how his parents treated him). I even spoke to the original creator of Jeff the Killer and he said that Jeff won't kill a child and only kills adults he feels deserve to be murdered.
I might write about that news article either here on DeviantArt or on my Wattpad account.
He's like Ticci Toby in a sense. Ticci Toby has real disorders to explain why he can't feel pain and has his ticks. He lost his older sister in a car wreck and that only caused his psyche to slip even more. His sanity starts to slip more and more each day, with the help of Slenderman of course. His father was an alcoholic asshole, so when his sanity finally snapped, he killed his father, but didn't kill his mother. His mother didn't do anything wrong (except let that alcoholic asshole of a husband back into the house), so Toby spared her because he cared about her.
But over all, this is the version a majority of people seem to like because they gave more believable reasons for Jeff to murder his parents. Made his character a little bit better to show the tension between him and his parents, especially his mother. And made how he got injured more believable that it could actually happen to a kid his age (I believe he could be 15 or 16 years old in this fan version).
Heck, there's already thousands of versions of his story already.
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to DevilGirl20 [2017-02-09 19:59:06 +0000 UTC]
On the CP website itself.
And I hope you can see that I don't like the changes because it is not a retelling. It is a reboot.
The word choice just irks me.
Jeff is not Ticci Toby.
Toby wad made to be a psychological thriller. JTK, though it may not have been trying to, was just a random, hilariously bad, but iconic story.
Watch the Nostalgia Critics old vs new of Cinderella and relace 'strong female character' with motivation to get where I'm coming from. Both screwed up in some places, got it perfect in some places, and theres definitely a better version somewhere on the web.
I'm not saying the new one sucks. It just missed all the things that I associated with Jeff, and thus I, as a fan, feel insulted that this new kid is just sort of waltzing in and taking the title of a character that I love with almost nothing in common.
Also, 'he's f*cking insane' is also a believable reason. Just saying.
And like I said. I normally write these off as alternate universes, but they removed the old version from the website. If you can't tell that's what bugs me the most.
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DevilGirl20 In reply to PreciousKnightwalker [2017-02-09 23:50:47 +0000 UTC]
That's strange. I found the old story on the Creepypasta website: www.creepypasta.com/jeff-the-k…
And yeah, he's not the same. That's why I refer to this version as the "sociopath Jeff" universe. There's many universes in the Creepypasta fandom. Like there's one universe where Liu dies. Another Liu becomes Homicidal Liu. Another where Masky and Hoodie are considered proxies. And another where they are not.
And there are even ones where Liu is the one that loses his mind and nearly kills Jeff. So I technically say this is just another version of the many versions of Jeff's story, but just became popular. And I personally don't think it's a reboot in a sense (no matter how much people say it is.) I compared him to Ticci Toby because this fan version is sort of a psychological thriller and they are similar since they didn't kill people they cared about (Toby: his mom Jeff: his brother.)
But we will agree that this is technically a fanon story because let's face it, the first story was what made him famous anyways. But for comedy reasons, I can actually see Sociopath Jeff (that will be his new name) asking Jeff the Killer his reasons for burning off his eyelids and slashing a smile into his face and if he's ever in pain from doing that. Then a flash back of Jeff the Killer taking mouth fulls of pain killers and back to the present with sweat dripping down his face as Sociopath Jeff is like "Alright, never mind."
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to DevilGirl20 [2017-02-10 01:14:43 +0000 UTC]
Well, thanks.
I guess I wasn't kidding when I said I was incapable of finding things over the internet.
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DevilGirl20 In reply to PreciousKnightwalker [2017-02-10 01:49:32 +0000 UTC]
Don't worry, I have friends that are the same way.
To tell you the truth, I like both stories of Jeff the Killer. The old story was how he got famous, but it had flaws that most fans can't seem to get over and the new story that gives readers a different way to see their favorite killer. Now I just realized something.... New fan girls may arise after reading the reboot and listening to in on Mr. Creepypasta's channel. We must run before they take over the world!
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to DevilGirl20 [2017-02-09 18:44:38 +0000 UTC]
I know. But it is not Jeff.
I'm glad you enjoyed the new story. I just can't because, they deleted the original, and now the Jeff I grew up with is no longer cannon. I explained pretty clearly how the realistic and relatable sides of the story ruin the fun and character of the original, making him a new character entirely.
Jeff 2015 is not a bad character. He just isn't Jeff the Killer. I'm mad because this is how people will be introduced to his story now, and because they called it a 'retelling' when it clearly is not.
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BlackCat5643 [2017-02-08 20:43:12 +0000 UTC]
Dude, what.
What have they done to my boy now?!??!??!
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PreciousKnightwalker In reply to BlackCat5643 [2017-02-08 20:44:01 +0000 UTC]
My thoughts. Exactly.
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