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Published: 2012-01-25 03:44:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 32288; Favourites: 499; Downloads: 1033
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// My other concepts of weapons you may see here:[link]
//Also I put forward this picture to the contest in:
Honestly I have not yet attended in the contests at DA
Hope it will be fun ^_^
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something like that was in the first chrome
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LOL Pathetic Solider mode? LOL I MEAN WHO USE THAT!?
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Hey ho I mean "pathos trooper". in any case googletranslate is blamed.
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Good design, but a Bayonet? nobody uses bayonets anymore.
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They are still issued by various military forces around the world.
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Be that as it may, there is no point putting a bayonet on a gun, particularly a carbine. Bayonets were invented because muskets (which first had them) were single shot. Having a bayonet attached to the end of your gun meant the soldier could still kill without reloading, albeit at CQB. Realistically, any semi or fully automatic gun does not need a bayonet. My design doesn't have one.
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kidding?...check the gun once more
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Realistically, if you are buying weapons on a mass scale (for conscripts perhaps) then it makes sense to buy cheap guns, like the AK, not a gun with custom painted decals on the side. As cool as it looks, cool is often impractical.
All you get with the "comrade mode" is a gun that has less features for the same or more money.
And besides, why shouldn't they use the AK? Its cheap, reliable, with plentiful ammo, and can be (if one should desire) be kitted with bayonets, bi-pods, RIS, and aftermarket handguards and stocks and such.
And I would take knifing someone stealthily over a bayonet charge any day of the week, considering you get the same effect from each but charging is considerably more dangerous.
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1)...some pain on side from random owner make gun less practicall and more expensive?...O-O
2)less features means more cost...O-O
3)they can use AK...and?...O?O
4)bayonet is not for every day situations....its just to make a gun lethal when out of ammo...in sutch situations is stealthy stabing mostly not possible...
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1) Paint is impractical because it does nothing, and expensive because people do not paint stuff like that for free, particularly when mass producing the said item.
2) As I said above, the paint costs money while not being a useful feature.
3) There is no point designing and building a gun (or anything really) to be sold commercially when there is a better product on the market - For example, The AK, or any of the AK derivatives (The "copycat" models made by the chinese, estonians, germans and such).
4) All professional soldiers carry a side arm (like a pistol or in a few cases shotgun). Even if they ran out of ammo for those, they fall back from the frontline, find a Humvee or such and resupply from the said Humvee. Also, knives are easier to use when in you hand, not on a gun, because you have greater mobility and can stab/slash faster.
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Have you not heard of the still recent uses of the bayonet charge in modern warzones like Iraq and Afghanistan? Do a bit of research first.
Also your fourth point is the ideal situation for a soldier, to have a safe fall back position which is laden with ammo, this is far from the regular reality.
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what a waste of my time....srr man but you are wrong and i have no time to try explain or teach you all needed to understand it....just one thing...when a damn owner of gun make a own draw on gun it got fuck no efect on mass factory produce of gun cause its absolutly not linked pointless shit man...when i put on my car for 1200$ a sprayed eagle for 1000$ does it means that all cars from such patter will cost 2200$ ?...so stop talk shits...
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I loled when I read what Timaman was rambling on about.
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his age pardon him...but still its pretty dumm:/
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I also kinda lol'd, in a sad way. Maybe he thinks each Comrade is also supplied with a key-chain to hang from under the muzzle? I hope I can get a bottle opener key-chain on my custom Comrade, and I hope that it won't add too much to the production cost. I can't draw for shit, so even though I'll have plenty of time to stencil stuff on my Comrade whilst huddled in my trench I'll still be going for a custom scheme from the manufacturer.
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Yeah, he also seems close-minded too. Maybe, I should add a bayonet on my next drawing, just for him.
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If it is not linked why do it on the design? And thanks for not bothering arguing against my points about how the AK would be better and how soldiers carry sidearms; It makes my argument stronger.
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anything you wish man....when opose guy in discusion dont wanna waste more time with you...proclaim your argument tha strongest...flawless logick
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Except, your logic is invalid and you seem to think swearing proves your point. You're almost as bad as Diceman.
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give up talk with stupid poeple dosnt proves your point....but safe lots of time...when you grow up you will understand...
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Judgeing by your command of the language, I'd say your, what, 12? 13? Yeah, I'm the one that should grow up. At least I can talk and don't think insulting people proves my point
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anything you wish man...
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i got nothing to deal with cause i dont waste time on people like you
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again, all you do is insult me and use horrible grammar, not beating me. And and again, you're like 12, I'm 18, you don't have the right to say anything about age, or stupidity considering how bad you are writing. And by the way, that's not how you use carpe diem
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If you were so sure you are correct you wouldn't give up. And giving up means you loose, just like it does with everything else in life. Not that I care about winning, just making the point. Your logic is about as flawed as your spelling and grammar.
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It's funny that you spelled 'lose' wrong here.
Comrades aren't supplied with custom paint. Each trooper adds his own design, in his own time, with his own materials, thus adding nothing to production costs. Or maybe they don't bother. I'd have thought this would be obvious.
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All three of the guns have unnessessary paint jobs. Forgive me for thinking that SOMETHING FEATURED ON A CONCEPT would not be on the final products. If ProxyGreen had stated this himself in the description about the paint, then I wouldn't have bothered making the point. But you cannot seriously expect anyone on a budget to fork out for an gun like the Charon when there are AKs, G3s, FALs and the like which you can buy for less than $200-300, if you look in the right places.
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I hate to dig up old stuff, and I know this is really damn old, but no matter how much time has passed the argument you made here is just so absurdly stupid and filled in insane half-logic I have to stop and call you an idiot. Every single point you raised was so ball-stompingly stupid it caused me physical pain, I honestly don't believe a human could have possibly made such a terrible and stupid argument, you are surely some kind of slug creature or politician. Again, this is really old, but it reeks so badly months later that it deserves notation.
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First of all, thanks for necroing an old thread. Secondly, thanks for not bothering to point out who is "some kind of slug creature" (I'm going to assume you meant me since you replied to my comment). And last of all, thank you SO VERY MUCH for being as constructive as you were. I mean, what you have done is informed us of how stupid someones argument is without bothering to explain why.
In the case that you were calling me a politician (these insults are just genius by the way), would you care to explain why anyone would spend any sum of money on what is a creative and nice looking, but ultimatly flawed and insufficient rifle, when they could buy an AK (M, 74, 103 ect), or a G36, AUG, FAMAS, F2000... ect, all of which are have proved in battle that they are effective and worthwhile firearms, and have done so for a number of years?
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Yes, dumbass when someone says "you" to someone, that tends to mean they are addressing the person. A truly mind blowing concept for you, I'm sure.
As too your horrendous second point, while I won't defend the poorly scaled stock, there really isn't any reason to purchase any of those weapons (especially since the only decent ones mentioned are AKs)over this. If compared to any of the western weapons you mentioned, this weapon would outclass them all because of a simple fact, the contest this was made for required the weapon to be chambered in a round superior to 5.56x45NATO, it fulfilled this requirement. The intended buyer for this weapon isn't African warlords, which means all the other older weapons suggested aren't viable examples (G3, AKM, FAL.
In modern times, and future as this weapon was designed for, new weapons aren't competing against 1950s tech for buyers, they are against other prototypes.
Your childish rantings about the paint aren't worth addressing.
Your behavior was inexcusable, with the argument of "I yelled louder than you, so my point is the undeniable truth" being the backbone of your entire "debate".
And your absolute lack of understanding of the bayonet shows just how little you comprehend about aggressive conflict, weapons, or psychological warfare.
Don't even try to argue with me in the manner you have shown before, I look down on "people" who use aggravation to "win" discussions.
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1) Heres a simple fact for you; it doesn't say what cartridge it uses, not even in the comments. If you can point out where it does, then I will happily accept that.
2) I assume intended buyer for the "Comrade" mode is poorer countries, in particular, communist ones such as Syria, Belarus, Brazil, Sri Lanka, ect. Why else would the gun look both striped down and worn out if it wasn't a cheap gun? Surely a expensive gun would have better build quality? Either way, an AK, G3 or FAL would be an ideal choice for those countries, who would benefit from a rifle with a sizable effective range (since these countries have lot of open rural areas where the range would be very useful - and when in urban environments other rifles could be used - AKS, FAL OSW, G3 SAS, ect), something I highly doubt the Charon has, considering its carbine length barrel. I made no deliberate comment towards the pricing and feasibility of the other variants.
4) My "childish rantings" about the custom paint are well worth addressing - adding that paint to each gun would increase the cost, making people less likely to buy the gun. Paint looks nice, but is not practical. And practicality is everything.
5) Correct me if I am wrong, but a bayonet is a knife-like tool attached to the business end of a rifle. You would use one to stab and enemy, and were designed as a back-up for single shot muskets and flintlocks (hardly an "absolute lack of understanding of the bayonet"). Since a modern gun can hold 30+1 rounds, and can be reloaded in matter of seconds, they become obsolete. And while they are intimidating, and a bayonet charge might be fear inducing, if someone has enough time to charge you with a bayonet, you have enough time to shoot them dead, making it an ineffective tactic, and unpractical.
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It's implied.
The comrade mode isn't necessarily the factory preset, it'd be stupid to think so. Expensive weapons wear out just as much or more than cheap weapons, it shows nothing about the quality. And if it is meant for poorer clients, it still isn't for tribals running around with AKs and FALs, seriously no one is going to buy more of those, ever, if they haven't bought enough already, they'll buy newer weapons.
And the absolute balls-to-the-walls stupidity spewed forth into this world by the phrase "bayonets are obsolete" is almost unfathomable. The bayonet charge is a highly effective tactic used even today, only fuctards think it is preformed exclusively with the knife. A bayonet charge is preformed with heavy support suppressing the enemy while you close with the enemy to kill them with your rifle, firing while closing the gap. You don't kill anyone with a bayonet unless you're in dense urban/house-to-house fighting, which is when Marines do, in fact, go bayonets fixed. Automatic weapons didn't make the bayonet less effective, they made it far more effective.
And I implore you to read what you posted in the discussion with that other deviant, think it over a bit and you will see just how childish your methods were.
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...discussion is not a fight and anoy people is not a win...have a nice day...
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You're just mad cause you lost
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anything you say...i will not waste time on you
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Yet you commented anyway... Seems if you really felt that you would have just blocked me and ignored the comment
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this is bad to the bone ... the only problem is that it doesn't meet some of the contest main requirements which is going to hurt the chances of winning!!! But that's all the help I can offer!
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Hey ho What is wrong here?
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Well the gun can't be black ... I guess yours might be gray but I'm not sure gray is better than black. The barrel appears to be shorter than 14 inches so it's not really a carbine and I don't see a longer barrel for the DMR. Most importantly, I'll be looking for details about a quick change barrel, the cartridge your design uses and how the controls are ambidextrous. I can't quite make out all the controls so I would need some details in that area. Some of these things are in the core requirements so they are going to be the first things I look for.
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Hmmm... But gun is not black, it #908d7e color, in other words, it is very very very dirty yellow. In any case, gray is not black.
About inches, I do not know how to measure it. I can draw the barrel longer, but what difference does it make?
Anyway I will make some updates.
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oh man, well color is really up to you in the end. I guess it's not black so I can't really say anything about it not meeting the criteria. However, the point of the color criteria is that black guns are a liability. It is easy to pick a large black gun shaped object out when the soldier himself wears cammo .... make sense?
It makes a difference only in that ... those are the contest criteria ... that's just the way it is. I mean, it wouldn't be a contest without criteria. But if you're looking for a point in barrel length, that's easy. The shorter the barrel, the less power your weapon can produce with its given cartridge. The idea behind a carbine is to find the balance between power and weapon size. I'm not trying to ruin your day, this just happens to be the criteria I put together for this particular contest. We'll do other contests with other criteria, but this is what we've got for now.
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