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Published: 2016-09-24 18:31:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 5652; Favourites: 64; Downloads: 6
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Back on the serious topic again, you have to wonder this about people who proclaim they don't take Sonic seriously or of the opinion that other fans shouldn't take Sonic seriously. If there's one thing that's true to life, if people like something enough, they have the ability to take it seriously, from sports fan, movie fan, fashion, cars, guns(not that this has been a good thing), playing cards, toys, super heroes, comic books, art, and most importantly to our case, video games.The fallacy in the sonic fandom, much of it being the hatedom in disguise(for people who act like their opinions should matter), is that Sonic shouldn't be taking seriously because of it's content. Of course, I don't need to go into how much bullshit that statement, but I do believe it goes far beyond Shadow since that's when this started, as it's not only been 11 years since that game, but people try to use the classic games to prove this fallacy as well. Keep in mind many of the people in the hatedom who say this are big Mario fans and/or were part of the My Little Pony fandom, both fandoms that take their shit so seriously that they do outrageous shit over the internet in their name. Is this true in both Sonic fandom and hatedom, of course, but that can happen with anything that can be taken seriously, which goes back to what I started with before.
The difference though, the hatedom, and sadly some of the more ignorant fandom, though that may be giving people the benefit of the doubt here, this seems to be the only group of people fixated on what shouldn't be taken seriously, BUT STILL taking every chance they get to get into fights with people over it as soon as someone says something good about something they don't like, this goes double for youtubers and bloggers, and the reason why people don't like that bullshit twitter account. Me, I'm a sonic fan, have been since a kid, of course I'm going to take Sonic seriously and everything that comes with it, it's not a light switch I just turn on and off. It would baffle any sane person how Sonic shouldn't be taken seriously because of it's content being "silly" when as I brought up before, Super Mario and MLP fans can take their shit seriously, despite the fact that everything in both franchises is 5x to 10x more silly then anything in Sonic, at least his shit was cool and balanced.
To close, you have to ask yourself this question to fully get this; if a blue cartoon animal who chases an egg shaped doctor can't be or shouldn't be taken seriously, why should one do the same for a plumber who fights turtles and constantly saving the same princess form getting kidnapped over and over again, or anything in a franchise about ponies for little girls. There's a 4 fandom that needs to be addressed but that's a whole other level of bullshit that should in it's own meme.
Note: For the sensitive or ignorant people out there, this isn't an attack on the entire fandom of Mario and MLP, this is calling out those from both fandoms who go out of their way to say Sonic shouldn't be taken seriously, as they are the biggest hypocrites in the entire fandom or hatedom. Any further misunderstanding is your own fault.
Note2: I should also go on record in saying that anyone in any 3 fandoms or hatedoms that uses this fallacy and trying to say anything about what is or isn't cool in Sonic but defend those twitter memes, are the last people who should be saying anything on the subject. lol.
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I want the Sonic Series to take itself seriously & not feel like the parody of itself it felt like for the entire 2010s decade.
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my view for sonic being serious is like the reboot Archie sonic comics mixed with the preboot Archie comics nothing like 06 or shadow the hedgehog just that
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The game is conformed to not be as serious as the first stage looks. The fact that Izuka felt the need to point this out when this was suppose to be about Eggman taking shit over leaves me skeptical.
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I like Sonic 06 because you get to play as multiple characters, but SEGA could improve some of the character's speeds and Tails have his tail-spin from SA1.
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We seen to have a lot of tone police in this fandom because no matter what your not allow to get mad. Like let's say I make a video talking about why Β I don't like the Comedy era and I make some pretty valid arguments but because I got angry at any point in the video my argument is discredited because I got mad it's like they expect you to put on this fake ass smile and talk in a clam respectful manner fuck that shit if I got a problem I'm gonna say it and if I get angry and offend those man babies well too damn bad. It happen to Nerdword, it happen on the SA3 page, and it's going to happen to someone else if he isn't a popular youtuber like egropater.
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Hell, they'll be mad at you just for criticizing the comedy, lol.
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I can't even imaging what'll happen if I criticize Classic Sonic or any of the Genesis games the fanboys will have a cow. XD
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They never really played those games anyway. It's all about pushing an agenda.
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There's a Youtuber I watch called RabbidLuigi he make countdowns and I enjoy watching his stuff... But sometimes he starts talking about Sonic and... yeah.
Two weeks ago he posted a video about five game villains he though were the worst. Number 4 was Lyric (Sonic Boom) and I can understand where he was coming from... and then he said this (youtu.be/x8TvtZ40Vmo?t=5m18s )!
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As soon as he said "We have to remind ourselves that Sonic is a blue hedge" I stopped. But of course someone says this has a Nintendo character in their user name because I doubt he's Italian.
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I think the best part is that he's a fan of METAL GEAR SOLID!!! The series that's so overly dramatic and yet has insanely ridiculousΒ stuff like Psycho Mantis, a guy who attacks using BEES, emo anime cyborgs who can SLICE SKYSCRAPERS IN HALF, AND SENATOR STEVEN "NANO MACHINES SON!" ARMSTRONG!!!
So according to him the game series with THIS [ youtu.be/TTxAlkD-xDI ] is allowed to still have its darker more serious moments... but Sonic isn't because... blue hedgehog.
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I really wouldn't use MGR as an example seeing as the basis of his argument is that Sonic isn't "mature enough" to have serious villains because of how he looks. You want to use an example that shows another "cartoony character". This is why in one of my last memes, I brought up Dust: An Elysian tail, though Ori and the Blind Forest is another good example, Star Fox is a given, and despite it's cartoony ways, Sly Cooper deals with a robotic owl who murdered the protagonists father right in front of him. There's also this old PS1 game called Tai Fu, an N64 game called Buck Bumble, Bomberman 2nd attack, though he's not anthro, that game as well as the first 64 game had serious villains despite being cartoony. And to top if off, one doesn't need to look any further then Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the series that former Sega of America employees and CEO, the people who made Sonic famous and put the company on the map, based Sonic tone on, and look at how they evolved over the years with no complaints of other adaptions "being too serious".
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Taking something fictional as serious as if it was real is kind of what makes a fan a fan. Just read how fans talk about the franchise of their interest, they talk about it as if it was a universe that exists. Mario is real in his own universe, PokΓ©mon are real in their own universe and so should be Sonic. SEGA has just made it harder to do that in recent years by giving us games that are completely detached from reality in an emotional way. For example, the way Tails randomly gets mad at Sonic for trusting Eggman in Lost World. Yeah, that's totally how a real person would act in that situation. Or Generations, the lines the characters say when they're freed. I remember a YTP where they replaced Vector's line with "Find the computer room!" and it didn't even feel out of place among the "let's explain something, point out the obvious and occasionally comment on stuff"-lines of the other characters. Even worse, the dialogue from Sonic Boom, literally any version of it. "My favorite direction is up." "An ambush with ice cream." "There are things inside these things!" "Snakes don't have hands." "Rings. OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" Who the fuck would say stuff like this? I know it's trying to be funny and quirky, but it just ends up being soulless. To actually become emotionally attached to something, people need to find something familliar in it, something they can identify with, something they can have fond memories of. Too many people don't know or have forgotten that there is something between the narm and "BaldeyMCNozehaiir!".
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You're absolutely right to. I'll just copy and paste my comment to another user here;
"They do all this for two reasons: To protect their own agenda, or they just have a grudge against Sonic and his fans and will use any fallacy to try and silence anyone, hence why I called so many people out in my IGN hate address memes. I've thought critically on this the entire time I've been doing these means and those are the best absolute reasons for thebullshit."
However, I would like to state that I've never seen Mario fans express their love for Mario the same way fans of many other franchises have. I'm not saying there aren't any that don't, it's just from my years of experience in the Sonic fandom and what I've learned of the Nintendo fanboys for years. All I ever see is "Marios is the king of platformers", "Mario has the best gameplay", "Mario is better then [insert game]". I've never heard anyone talk about how they love the atmosphere unless making it out to be better then M rated games, I never here too many people aside from you praise the story, and it's usually from one of the RPG's. I never hear anyone proclaim how much they like certain characters. Yeah, there's preferences, but compare the love for Mario characters for who they are, compared to most Sonic characters, Sonic, Tails, Shadow, Knuckles when it's not about him being stupid, Metal Sonic, even Amy's dumbass. Most Sonic characters alone are more popular then most of the Mario cast as characters, though Sonic proved that years ago so it's no question for him.
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True, the people who only play the main series and sports Mario games don't have much of an emotional connetion to Mario aside from nostalgia, but once you get to see the groups of people who play the more story-oriented spin-offs, you'll see that they're just like any other fandom. The characters from the Wario Ware games have their own little fandoms, especially Ashley. The Luigi's Mansion games are acknowledged to be not only the only "horror" games Nintendo has ever made, but also for having a really heartwarming story about Luigi facing his fears to save his brother. The ending cutscenes of those games say everything, even though they' only have little voice acting. There's a 45 minute video on Youtube about the history of Princess Shokora, a character who only appeared in Wario Land 4. The story of Perry the Parasol from Super Princess Peach was completely unnecessary to the game, but to the few fans this game has, it actually means a lot. The Top 10 Mario Villains videos always have the RPG villains at the top, Bowser can be lucky when he gets 5th place. The fans of those games are genuinely happy when a game manages to satisfy them and just as disappointed when it wastes opportunities. Hell, the fans of Mario&Luigi are worried that Bowser might become too important in the series and the Paper Mario fans are legitimately pissed off that the new Paper Mario games are more like Super Mario Bros than an actual RPG. The reason those groups are never really acknowledged? I'm not sure, but I think it has something to do with the "Nintendo elitists". You know, the people who claim Nintendo can do no wrong and are the king of videogames because of their gameplay and their gameplay alone and because they play Nintendo, they can do no wrong and have a perfect taste in videogames? Because of them and because Mario is one of the oldest and most well known videogame franchises, maybe people don't expect Mario to have normal fans. He's always just seen as this big icon and never as a character. A lot of people, even supposed Mario fans, don't know that, but Mario actually does have a personality, a fairly consistent one at that, even though he barely talks. It just needs a keen eye and a bit of dedication to see the character behind the icon. I think it's really funny how the characterization of Mario in the Super Mario World-based comic "Super Mario Bros Adventures" from 1992 still holds up to this day. There's a fanmade dub of it on Youtube with pretty good voice acting and presentation and the comic itself captures perfectly what Mario's spirit is and should be like. It's a bit like early Sonic Archie Comics, except it's more building around the game it's named after than doing its own spin on the franchise. It's the only non-game thing that has the spirit that fans like me love about Mario and the only time this spirit was made into a dynamic story with focus on the characters. It's worth checking out, even if it's just to see what an actual story with Mario being executed like an actual character looks like.
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The thing about this is that you actually have to get into those groups to see those fans. I've never denied that there weren't any, but you hardly see them, and keep in mind that hardly any of them show up in the Sonic fan base, it's usually just the elitists, and them being the most vocal of most groups of gamers is why you hardly ever see the more sensible ones. This is why I've stuck to videos from Blackb0nd for so long.
About Mario's personality, if you have to look into it to see it, then it's not worth going into. Almost every character BUT Mario usually has personality to them that you don't have to look into to see it. I know Mario has some personality, it's that it's not worth speaking of, and it's usually just him smiling, having a straight face, or when appropriate, angry, but even then, that's mainly in the RPGs. No one had to look into Sonic's personality to see it, or Earthworm Jim, or Crash, Spyro, pretty much the entire cast of Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Tekken, and really most fighting games, etc, etc.
The dub sounds like it could be nice though, but I'm not interested enough in Mario to watch it. What little Mario could provide is usually standard for most games. Not saying at all that Mario can't provide anything, but even then, Mario's universe in itself doesn't interest me.
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Well, the loudest fans usually are the worst. This sub-species of the Mario fan usually doesn't act like a Mario fan when being in another fandom unless someone says something that involves Mario in some way. They don't compare every videogame franchise to Mario, they only draw comparisons when there are actual parallels. They have a silent passion for those games that constantly gets overshadowed by the people praising Mario for "being the first 2D platformer" or "saving all of videogame kind" or something like that.
Unlike Sonic, Mario isn't the kind of character to have the story be about him, he is the kind of character who gets thrown into different scenarios and reacts to them. The thing is, that he never directly speaks and that's why it's hard to make out his personality in most games.
I think the only time he ever talks in some kind of actual dialogue in a videogame was at the end of Luigi's Mansion 2 when thanking Luigi for saving him. But his reactions in some games, especially in the Mario&Luigi series, do show his personality, even though the stuff he says has to be repeated by another character before you can make sense out of it. When the magic star gate says that Luigi doesn't have a pure heart, Mario steps forward and yells at her, saying that Luigi hasn't done anything wrong while his baby counterpart smashes his hammer against her. When Luigi accidentally makes the babies cry, Mario gets mad and calls Luigi out for it. When the nurse won't let him go to the doctor, he starts faking to be sick. When Starlow calls Luigi a useless crybaby, Mario flat-out lies to her and says that Luigi saved the Mushroom Kingdom all by himself in the previous game. Those games are not the only ones to have moments like that, but they are the ones where those moments are the most apparent and contribute the most to the game itself. And moments like that, especially the ones where he interacts with Luigi, are what makes Mario's spirit. And because that spirit exists and has already been made into a good story once, there is no reason why it shouldn't happen again. As you might know, both Mario and Sonic are getting new movies in the next years and neither of them has an excuse to suck because both franchises are capable of great stuff, even though it hasn't really been done in the last years. I know you probably won't watch the comic dub, but the way the comic handles the Mario universe isn't just like what you see in the games. It actually ended up being more memorable and unique than the other comics about Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid. The Mario Bros don't just jump on every enemy they see and that's it. I think my favorite part is how they take out the Boos which are pretty much invincible in both the games and the comic. The way the in-game behavior of those enemies is used to the comic's advantage while making a subtle reference to another Mario game is one of the most clever things I've ever seen in an adaptation. Yeah, it is silly, but not in a bad way.
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You know what I hate in this fandom and it recently happened to nerdword entertainment who is a pretty mellow guy, it's fans who try to tone police others as a means to shut them up and ignore any points they make "Oh you're being too serious and emotional therefore I will ignore anything you've said!" These people seem to forget humans have passions, interests, hobbies and that's not a bad thing at heart.
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They do all this for two reasons: To protect their own agenda, or they just have a grudge against Sonic and his fans and will use any fallacy to try and silence anyone, hence why I called so many people out in my IGN hate address memes. I've thought critically on this the entire time I've been doing these means and those are the best absolute reasons for thebullshit.
Also, I've got a comment from Nerdword before and he faved some of my memes, I never knew he had a youtube channel though. Should check him out.
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Oh yeah his videos are really good, he even gave True sonic spirit a few shout outs.
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That's good. I got some shit to do soon but I'll search for his channel real quick and leave a tab up to remind myself. Bought time someone other then those at True Sonic Spirit step it up.
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(Just for those who say otherwise) But that still doesn't mean you support anything that comes from the said series without preference.
There's a difference between being a True Fan, and being a Blind Sheepish Fan.
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