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"You defend animals whose cruelty I'm not responsible for? Cool!You defend animals whose cruelty I'm responsible for? HUMAN HATING BASTARD!!!"
It's one of the many silly arguments us vegans hear from meat eaters when we defend the animals who are brutally exploited and killed by the meat-, dairy-, and egg industries. Apparently some people are only against animal cruelty when it's convenient for them. This argument is usually followed by...
Some animals are to be killed some aren't
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What is this based on? Let's use dogs as an example as that's the most commonly respected animal, in my experience.
"Dogs are our companions!"
Practically any animal could be your companion if you gave them the chance. People keep pigs as companions, and form bonds with them as strong as you can with a dog.
"I just like dogs, I don't have a connection with other animals!"
That is not a justification for killing other animals. Somebody could equally say to you "I don't have a connection with your dog, so I am going to slit their throat". Just because of how you feel about an animal, doesn't mean that animal is disposable, they are sentient beings.
"Dogs are intelligent, other animals are dumb!"
That is not a justification for killing them. Other animals such as cats, hamsters and so on could be said to be less intelligent than dogs, that doesn't mean you think killing them is fine presumably. But as it happens, pigs are in many ways more intelligent than dogs, able to make connections and solve problems more advanced than anything dogs can do, and can interact on a higher level with video games, they can recognise human faces, understand reflections in a mirror, respond to commands and so on. If you have any serious consideration for animals, feel free to look up articles on chicken intelligence, cattle intelligence, sheep intelligence and so on. It is out of the question that dogs are alone as being intelligent animals.
"Companion animals are my property, like my TV!"
This is an absurd comparison. The reason why you'd be upset with someone killing your dog is not because they are your property, it's because they are sentient beings, living their own life, and you don't want harm to come to them. Damage to your TV is a financial loss, your companion animals are more than that surely?
"Just our culture, it's actually fine to slit dog's throats as long as it's done in another culture not this one!"
That makes no sense at all. Following through with this statement, you'd be appalled if a dog was killed in front of you, but apparently if that same dog was transported to another country where it is culturally acceptable to kill them, then you'd say it was fine. Think it through - it's the same dog, precisely the same thing is happening to them. Why does it matter where it happens?
"Dogs have been companions of humans for hundreds of years!"
That is just because humans have chosen for it to be that way, it isn't the fault of other animals. You could make a companionship with any animal if you chose, there's no reason to be killing them just because you chose not to make a friend of them.
"You can play catch with a dog and they do tricks!"
You can do the same with many other species. But why do you want to kill animals who don't want to play catch? Most cats don't want to play catch, they might do other things, but most don't retrieve things and play catch like dogs do, but it doesn't logically follow that you must slit a cat's throat.
"Dogs are cute!"
Why do you discriminate against animals based upon what they look like? If you come across a dog that isn't cute, are you compelled to slit their throat? If someone doesn't find your dog cute, is it okay for them to slit their throat?
Yeah but it's because I have a connection with my animal, they're like family. Killing animals outside my family is fine!"
This is a direction comparison between humans and dogs. Therefore, you are saying that killing your dog would be bad because they're like family. Killing anyone outside your family is therefore fine, would you apply this to strangers then? A human stranger is not part of your family, unlike your dog. The argument of "you're humanizing animals" cannot be used, because you are the one humanizing animals in this case, comparing them to your family. Just because an animal or human is outside your family is no grounds to slit their throat. Also, think this through. If you have an animal that currently isn't in your family, you're arguing that it's fine to slit their throat. But if you chose to instead adopt them, then immediately it's abhorrent to slit that animal's throat. It's the same animal. Look at this from the animal's perspective, not your own.
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the reason why people call SOME vegans extremists is because they are the ones going out of their way to harass farmers and people wearing fur coats as well as vandalizing meat shops (whilst saying that they are somehow peaceful and loving)
if you're someone who just has a vegan diet and gets on with your life they aren't talking about you.
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To find the answer to these vegans their behaviour, you should first ask yourself this: Why exactly do you think people speak out against animal farming? What is the reason why vegans are protesting it? Can you think of a honest answer without erasing the victims in this? I'd like to hear it.
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Honestly I was talking about EXTREME vegans
Also I don't think that this particular bunch is concerned with animal farming or protection at all.
I f anything I think that they THE EXTREME VEGANS MIGHT I REMIND YOU XD are probably so socially awkward to the point where they can't interact with any other people
soooo instead they turn to the animal kingdom (dogs and cats, pets basically) who will be forced to be around them.
and as a result of this people like vegan gains (youtuber) exist and they lash out at anyone who tells them wrong.
so I'd say it's more so from loneliness, quite sad actually
what do you think ?
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But what is an "extreme" vegan? When is a vegan "extreme"? When they speak out for innocents? When they break into a hellhole to rescue innocents from a life of torture and misery? If that's extreme to you, then what is enslaving, sexually exploiting and killing others? Honestly, when you think about it, you realize that the even the most "extreme" and most "rude" vegan is not as violent as the most "peaceful" non-vegan. Remember that animals are the victims here, non-vegans are their oppressors and vegans are the ones fighting for the victims. Who is truly the most extreme one here?
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the most truly extreme people here are the ones that harass farmers trying to make a living while calling them everything under the sun, vandalizing property, FORCING your own pet to be vegan (Vegan gains had type of wolf dog and tried to put it on a vegan diet and wound up starving it to the point of emaciation, bit ironic for a vegan)
they also harass people that wear fur or wool coats (which are most likely fake fur)
you storm restaurants with protests that lash out violently those who oppose
AND CLAIM TO DO THIS IN THE NAME 'PEACE AND LOVE'
Extremism and Hypocrisy at it's finest.
and meat eaters and sane vegans are just going about there day not bothering anyone
but that's just my view on it
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Do you consider speaking up for innocents who are being systematically brutalized "harassment"? Isn't enslaving and killing others (which the aforementioned farmers and fur hags are doing) actual harassment? Do you also think that people who speak up against child abuse or slavery as "harassing" others? Or is it only "harassment" if it's about your victims?
Again: you make it sound as if vegans speak out against people for no reason. But you're once again erasing the fact that there are victims in the aforementioned choices of the oppressors. Victims who are being sexually exploited, tortured and killed for human greed. Animals are the victims here, not animal abusers. And honestly, restraining a female animal so you can forcibly, artificially impregnate her again and again without her consent like some pervert in order to MAKE her lactate so you can drink her breast milk after killing her child sounds a lot more extreme (and is kinda bestiality and rape) than fighting for the freedom of these innocent beings.
and meat eaters and sane vegans are just going about there day not bothering anyone
Um, meat eaters sexually exploit, torture and kill animals, and they kill the planet in the process. So yes, they are bothering others. Non-vegans have become so far conditioned by carnism that many of them actually think that the choice of whether or not you oppress and enslave others is as trivial an issue as whether you like the colour red or the colour blue. You see, I could empathise with people saying, “let me eat what I want” if there was no victim in this scenario, and vegans were just some sort of health police whose only real motive to stop people from eating animal products was just to help people be healthy. But the reality is that there ARE victims in this - two billion of them every single week. We can’t carry on pretending that supporting the gassing, stabbing, and enslavement of two billion sentient victims every single week is the moral equivalent of simply not doing it at all.
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all right I'm an omnivore that usually eats fruits, vedge and dairy (you probably still hate me none the less though) BUT I'm pretty sure I didn't rape my bacon sandwich before eating it XD
I also never said that animal abusers were the victims at all.
also meat eaters aren't the only ones that damage the planet, there are a lot of vegan youtubers out that use electricity in their homes which harms the environment and the use hot water, boilers, cars etc that ALL contribute to harming the environment in some way.
also when you go to the shop to by vegan food you are giving your money to the shopkeeper who most likely eats meat and they go off and by mc nuggets with YOUR money
Cattle aren't STABBED to death by the way O have said this multiple times, they are stunned and bled to death in their sleep and don't feel anything
(unless of course you count the bleeding them to death part 'stabbing'.....?)
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BUT I'm pretty sure I didn't rape my bacon sandwich before eating it XD
But you did pay somebody else to do so on your behalf. Maybe you just don't realize it, but farm animals don't breed themselves by the billions on a yearly basis. The majority of these female animals are restrained and forcibly, impregnated by farmers who use the sperm of males (who were also sexually violated in order to obtain it, often by shoving an electric dildo down their ass and schock them to force them to ejaculate). This is why every rich, privileged person from the West had access to meat: because we pay people to do this on our behalf, to keep up with our demand. I have a friend called Erin who explains the dairy industry for example in 5 minutes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SG…
I also never said that animal abusers were the victims at all.
But that's what your argument narrows down to when you act as if vegans are "harassing" people by telling them to stop harming their victims. Animals are the victims, non-vegans are their oppressors, and vegans are the protesters against violence.
there are a lot of vegan youtubers out that use electricity in their homes which harms the environment and the use hot water, boilers, cars etc that ALL contribute to harming the environment in some way.
At this moment, animals and animal products are used in so many ways that it is near impossible to actually live in a way that avoids using any item, device or vehicle which has no connection with animal exploitation. But that difficulty is no reason to continue to be involved with the things which are extremely easy to avoid, and which form the bulk of demand for animal exploitation. Veganism isn't about dogmatically and irrationally saying "I am perfect, I harm nothing". It is about recognising the harm that is being done by our society, and trying to make a change, avoid being part of it - as far as we can. In future, as more and more people go vegan, there will be more and more alternatives developed because research will be put into new technology. Right now we are a minority, so why would giant corporations be saying "Hmm, what can we use in car tyres apart from this small amount of animal ingredients?" But as the world changes, those things will follow, and animal use will continue to decline, so it will be easier to avoid animal use in other areas of life. I'd also like to add that I speak up about animal agriculture specifically because they are the leading cause of global deforestation (70-90% of ALL), greenhouse gas emmissions (51%), ocean deadzones, water pollution, habitat destruction, species extinction, world hunger and many more environmental issues. Even palm oil production, all cars, trucks and households combined fade in comparison. The world cannot handle the way we currently eat, and if it keeps up, there will be no life left in the ocean, and all species will go extinct, and all trees will die out and humans will eventually starve to death. Non-vegans often live in the now, they don't think about the impact of their actions on long term. The planet belongs to all of us. It should not be destroyed because of non-vegans their greed and selfishness.
also when you go to the shop to by vegan food you are giving your money to the shopkeeper who most likely eats meat and they go off and by mc nuggets with YOUR money
If I gave them money instead to kill animals on my behalf, the damage would be double though. At least now they don't kill animals on my behalf anymore, which is a first good step. And veganism is the fastest growing justice movement in history. More and more people are waking up and realize that we can't keep up producing unsustainable food.
The standard legal form of slaughter for animals is for them to be "stunned" and then have their throats slit. For chickens and pigs, the stunning is generally done with an electric shock, and for other animals a pneumatic bolt pistol projects a metal rod into their forehead. It is claimed that this renders the animal 100% unconscious, but if you actually look into the facts, slaughterhouse workers will admit that there is no way to verify that this is the case for every single animal, and indeed the process doesn't always work, isn't followed routinely, and indeed, the "stun" can wear off while the animal is being killed. But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you did it humanely" as described above. Whether the animal is stunned with a bolt gun or prongs , or whether it's by gas chamber , or whether they are killed via the Halal/Schechita method , these are not exactly methods we would use to euthanise even someone who did want to die. (Seriously, watch those videos of standard slaughter methods and tell me again that the animals don't feel anything)
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the bolt gun to the head is painless
but the rest of it from there, cutting their throats open while they're STILL CONSCIOUS is cruel and ILLEGAL it is permitted by law that the animals don't suffer during this and it is heart breaking to know that this type of thing still exists
also about the bacon sandwich part.
even if you don't directly pay for meat you still contribute to it in some way...
say for example you go to the shop and buy (I dunno, something) and the shop keeper gives you that something and you give the shop keeper the money.
then the shop keeper then goes off and buys a bacon sandwich with the money THAT YOU GAVE HIM.
unless of course your aim is to cause as little harm as possible in which case you probably acknowledged and keep doing what ya doing.
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the bolt gun to the head is painless
If it was, then that's how we would put down people who are ill. But we don't. You know why? Because the bolt gun doesn't "stun" animals. It gives them an epileptic seizure, which can (and does often) wear off when they're being killed. But again: even if we gave them a painless death (like an injection, like we do with people and pets who are sick), is that really a justification to enslave and kill them? Would you say that dog fighting is ok if they fed the dogs well, petted them and gave them more space, and pretended to be their friend... before betraying them by giving them an epileptic seizure and then slit their throat? Because that's how 80% of the farm animals in Europe are killed. The others are killed by other horrific methods, such as halal and gas chambers. Not even one of these animals are put down by a vet with a lethal injection.
At this moment, animals and animal products are used in so many ways that it is near impossible to actually live in a way that avoids using any item, device or vehicle which has no connection with animal exploitation. But that difficulty is no reason to continue to be involved with the things which are extremely easy to avoid, and which form the bulk of demand for animal exploitation. Veganism isn't about dogmatically and irrationally saying "I am perfect, I harm nothing". It is about recognising the harm that is being done by our society, and trying to make a change, avoid being part of it - as far as we can. In future, as more and more people go vegan, there will be more and more alternatives developed because research will be put into new technology. Right now we are a minority, so why would giant corporations be saying "Hmm, what can we use in car tyres apart from this small amount of animal ingredients?" But as the world changes, those things will follow, and animal use will continue to decline, so it will be easier to avoid animal use in other areas of life.
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we don't put a bolt gun to ill people's head because we can treat their illnesses (the best we can anyways)
there is also a weak point between above the cows eyes which renders them unconscious (I think you might be getting confused with tasing them)
we're not really enslaving animals because if the animals felt enslaved they would kick up a fuss and protest like the suffragettes, black lives matter and so on, the average cow lives for about 6-7 years so they don't really live long anyways (the point is they didn't ask for help and if we did give them help they wouldn't care or acknowledge it.
and I agree society is gradually moving forward in this case and I do think at some point we might move to artificially made food to replace meat or the plants could 'evolve' and contain all the proteins and shizz we need.
how ever due to how many vocal militant vegans out there people won't consider going vegan especially when you have articles like this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…
www.independent.co.uk/news/wor…
and:www.ladbible.com/news/uk-turke…
I would like to state that I'm not saying your one of these militant vegans because you've at least taken something you're passionate about and done something creative and productive about it
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we don't put a bolt gun to ill people's head because we can treat their illnesses
No, I am talking about people who are so severely ill or injured, they can't be saved anymore. No one would suggest putting those people down with a bolt gun so they get an epileptic attack and then slit their throat and let them bleed to death. Because it's not humane. It's cruel, and it's violent.
we're not really enslaving animals because if the animals felt enslaved they would kick up a fuss and protest
Being enslaved is not exclusive to the strong. There are plenty of children who are enslaved around the world, who can't defend themselves, who (like farm animals) don't even want to think about running away because they fear the consequences. Being enslaved is forcing someone to work for you to serve you, without their consent. Slavery is slavery, no matter who the victim is. Because if animals in the industries aren't enslaved, what are they? Are they free? Do they have the rights to their own bodies? Do they decide where they go to, what they want to do with their lives? No. That's what their slavekeepers (humans) decide for them. They give them no choice in the matter, because they decided that they exist to serve them. Most of these animals are too afraid to run, and those who do attempt to run, are chased down by dozends of police members and shot to death. That is the life of a slave.
the average cow lives for about 6-7 years
Actually the average cow lives 1-2 years (also counting the calves who are taken from their moms right after birth so humans can steal the milk their moms made for them), because most cows are killed as soon as they reach a profitable size or if their milk production declines. The natural lifespan of a cow is 20-25 years.
we might move to artificially made food to replace meat or the plants could 'evolve' and contain all the proteins and shizz we need.
We don't need to make fake meat, or artificial meat to get protein: artificial meat would purely be a taste issue, not a health requirement. Everything found in meat can be found in plants. Except growth hormones, steroids, antibiotics, tumors and excess saturated fat and cholesterol, but hey, all the better!
especially when you have articles like this:
This article is based on clickbait, indsutry propaganda and ignorance of the reporter, not on scientific evidence. There are hundreds of millions of people in the world who were raised vegan, especially in Hindu and Buddhist communities. And guess what: they are the longest living populations on the planet (such as the Advantist Vegetarians), while meat eating children in the West suffer of all kinds of preventable diseases and allergies due to their diet that's full of weird hormones (dairy for example contains over 65 sex, growth and pregnancy hormones). I am not surprized, because articles like this are almost always funded by the industries and exist for just one readon: to increase their profits.
'Meat-eating Parents Convicted after Malnourished Baby Sent to Hospital'
'Non-vegan Attempts to Climb Mount Everest and Dies'
'Nutritional Deficiencies at All-time High in Country Where Vast Majority of Population are Non-vegan'
This is what headlines would look like if journalists mentioned those involved in the story were not vegan every time, like how they mention it every time someone is a vegan. Now do you see why the brainwashed masses are skeptical of veganism? Also, what does a child abuser's action of starving their child has to do with the concept of veganism? Veganism is just wanting to avoid hurting animals. Why would you want to hurt animals just because someone was rude to you? I am not saying that anybody should be rude to you, it's not justified. But don't let it cloud the issue. I'm sure you know of a lot of violent non-vegan assholes (such as ISIS), but I don't hear you say that you're going vegan because they're non-vegan assholes? Just to be clear: people go vegan because they care about animals and the planet. NOT because they like vegans. In the end: there is nothing more extreme and militant than enslaving and killing others by the trillions for our enjoyment.
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Serverly ill people are put to sleep with a jab
Enslaved children kick and scream
Animals don't fear the comsiquences because they don't know the comsiquences
Animals in the industry are just animals , point blank. Although the treatment of the animals should be known and handled correctly.
Vegans suffer from malnutrition, iron deficiencies, brittle bones, hair loss, decaying teeth, there is hormones in meat that help with sexual maturity, (this is why some vegans look androgynous)
There's a reason why 84 percent of vegans turn back to eating meat.
Especially since most vegan food is artificial it results in oil spills because you need oil
There is also nothing more extreme than harassing farmers, vandalizing property, storming resteraunts, guilt tripping people, and peta your orginasation kills more cars and dogs than animals are killed for consumption
Also I'm sure that there are some vegans in Isis.... probably
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Enslaved children kick and scream
No, they don't. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country where children are commonly used as slaves? Even if people try to rescue them from slavekeepers, the children refuse to go and try to run back to their owners. They were raised this way, they don't know better. Some are even grateful to their owners because they provide them food and shelter, something they didn't have on the street as orphans. They don't know that there is a better life than to be a slave. And those who do know, and try to escape, are disposed of, and have no chance. This applies to almost every victim who lives in a culture where enslaving them is the norm. Point is that enslaving others is wrong, no matter who the victim is, and no matter how they respond to it. And we, as adults, should never take advantage of the weak and defenseless just because they can't defend themselves. And if kicking and screaming is a requirement for you to stop enslaving others, all the more reason to stop enslaving animals, since they kick and scream in the slaughterhouse all the time, or when their babies are taken from them, or when they go insane as a result of being locked up 24/7.
Although the treatment of the animals should be known and handled correctly.
Treating them correctly according to what standards? Slavery standards? Breeding animals for the sole purpose of killing them is not being good to animals. If one wants to be good to animals, they should leave them alone. In case you haven't noticed: humans are animals, too. Just because we think we're something better, doesn't change that fact. All sentient beings have feelings and emotions, and want to live free from slavery and oppression.
Vegans suffer from malnutrition, iron deficiencies, brittle bones, hair loss, decaying teeth, there is hormones in meat that help with sexual maturity, (this is why some vegans look androgynous)
A ridiculous stereotype based on myth. I don't look like that at all, my health is perfectly fine. The same applies to all of my vegan friends, and the hundreds of millions of vegans in the world. The hormones in meat and dairy are actually harmful to your body. Nobody needs 65 different sex hormones, growth hormones, pregnancy hormones, bovine steroids etc. It just feeds cancer, heart disease and kidney disease. And actually a vegan diet gives you a higher sex drive, because there is no cholesterol and excess saturated fat blocking your blood flow. Clear veins = better bloodflow = better sexual activity. It's just common sense.
There's a reason why 84 percent of vegans turn back to eating meat.
I think you have being vegan mixed up with being plantbased here.
Veganism = ethical stance.
Plantbased = diet.
If you're vegan (meaning you're against animal cruelty and environmental destruction) you don't suddenly wake up one day and say: "Oh, harming animals and the planet for human greed is totally fine actually!"
So I think you're referring to plantbased people here, people who try the vegan diet challenge for a week/month because of the hype (just like every other challenge) and then go back to their old habits. Those people are not vegans, they are plantbased.
Especially since most vegan food is artificial it results in oil spills because you need oil
Wait, vegetables and fruit are artificial and require oil? In any case, there is nothing at all NOT artificial about eating animal products in this day and age anyway, as the definition of 'natural' means something that is not man-made. Given that the animals we eat are a.) forcefully and systematically bred into existence, b.) domesticated and not wild animals (so essentially are a human creation), and c.) are routinely fed antibiotics and other completely unnatural things, it makes absolutely no sense that anyone could say that eating meat or animal products now is natural at all.
There is also nothing more extreme than harassing farmers, vandalizing property, storming resteraunts, guilt tripping people, and peta your orginasation kills more cars and dogs than animals are killed for consumption
Except enslaving and killing other sentient beings by the trillions, of course, while killing the planet in the process. You make it sound as if animal abusers are the victim here while they're the ones doing the killing and those trying to stop them try to save their victims. Do you also think that saving slaves from slavery is extreme? If someone broke into a warehouse where slaves were stored temporarily, vandalized the torture machines they use on these slaves and then, and saved the slaves, would you call that extreme? What if someone tried to make slavekeepers feel bad about owning slaves by telling them it's morally wrong ("guilt tripping")? Is that extreme? What if someone Or does is it only extreme when it's about your victims? You see, the only difference between you and vegans is that vegans are consistent with their logic. If enslaving and killing one group is wrong, then so is enslaving and killing other groups.
Also I'm sure that there are some vegans in Isis.... probably
Veganism means that you don't kill others unnessecarily, so by definition an ISIS member is not vegan. Killing and torturing others is a non-vegan game.
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Have YOU been to a 3rd world country ?
Most of those counties are ran by slavery.
Also the children are capable of having the cognitive ability to think for themselves, reason, solve problems and think rationally, cows can't they don't have hopes, dreams or ambitions because there brain doesn't understand the concept. Farm animals react, so when a pig feels pain it doesn't think 'oh crap I'm gonna die !' no it just thinks there's something wrong.
Yeah the vegan alternatives to meat are artificial, I'm not talking about your precious greens.
And this whole 'animals are enslaved and somehow raped has been proven false'
We're just going in circles now XD
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Yes, I have been to 3rd world countries plenty of times and have seen the most horrific forms of slavery. It's really sad. There children don't even hope or dream, they just follow orders and do what they're being told because they don't know better, because they don't know that there is something else than a life of slavery. Most animals on farms also live like this. And for what? For human greed and selfishness. People can try to justify slavery all they want, but in the end it's their well-being VS slavekeepers their greed/convenience. And from a moral stantpoint, the latter does not take priority.
Farm animals react, so when a pig feels pain it doesn't think 'oh crap I'm gonna die !' no it just thinks there's something wrong.
Actually other animals do have a desire to avoid being killed. That's why they resist so much when they're sent to slaughter, and why restraining tools are required. Also, lower intelligence is no justification to enslave and kill other sentient beings needlessly.
And this whole 'animals are enslaved and somehow raped has been proven false
By what? By slavekeeper's logic? Forcing others to work for you is slavery. Restraining someone to sexually violate them is rape, no matter who the victim is. Those are not things exclusive to humans. People who deny this are slavery- and rape apologists, which are also found amongst those who violate humans: "It wasn't rape, she was dressed like a slut!" and "It's not slavery, because they're not white". We don't need to sexually violate or enslave anyone. Greed/pleasure/profit are no moral justifications to do so.
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Alright you're blowing the whole slavery thing out of proportion now....
Slavery is when a person is put under the control of another person against their will. The master benefits from the slave and the slave gets nothing in return
When you are raising an animal to be slaughtered to feed people there is a mutual exchange.
The cow or pig is taken care of, well fed and had a nice life the average beef cow has a lifespan of 6-7 years so it's gonna die anyway. When the cow is slaughtered it fills up millions of people.
Also the child slaves are CAPABLE of having hopes and dreams.
The cow or pig doesn't have the capability or cognitive ability to do so because it doesn't understand the concept.
Farm animals persive pain differently.
I have stated this earlier
This has all been proved by the CITATIONS I HAVE PROVIDED
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Slavery is when a person is put under the control of another person against their will. The master benefits from the slave and the slave gets nothing in return
Which is what we do to animals.
When you are raising an animal to be slaughtered to feed people there is a mutual exchange. The cow or pig is taken care of, well fed and had a nice life the average beef cow has a lifespan of 6-7 years so it's gonna die anyway. When the cow is slaughtered it fills up millions of people.
So you're saying that if slavekeepers were raising people for the sole purpose of killing them to cannibalize them, there is mutual exchange? That if they feed those slaves and lock them up in cages and when they're slaughtered they're going to feed much less people (it's never MORE) than could be fed with the plants produced to feed the slaves, it would not be slavery? HOW exactly is raising a slave for the sole purpose of killing them for GREED and PROFIT beneficial to the slave? I mean, it doesn't even matter who the slave is here (human or animal), there is no mutal exchange in forcing others to serve you and raise them for the sole purpose of harming them for profit/greed, no matter how much you feed them. Maybe you don't realize it, but this is exactly how slavekeepers in 3rd world countries defend their choice to enslave other people. The same excuses. Slavery cannot be morally justified.
and had a nice life the average beef cow has a lifespan of 6-7 years so it's gonna die anyway.
Actually the natural lifespan of a cow is 20-25 years. Most cows are killed as babies at 12 months old. Everyone is going to die one day, but that doesn't justify enslaving and killing them for profit/greed/pleasure.
Also the child slaves are CAPABLE of having hopes and dreams.
Did you even read the comic I linked to? By your logic, babies and heavily mentally disabled people would be free game. Also, how do you know that other animals don't have hopes and dreams? I'm sure that they dream of getting out of the cages people like you cram them in (which is why they try to break out and go insane when they fail), I'm sure they want to raise a family (which is why they mate and are protective of their children and cry out to them for days when people like you take them away from them) etc. The point is that they are sentient beings, and wether or not they have long-term dreams is completely irrelevant to the fact that they can be enslaved. The same applies to babies and severe mentally handicapped people, who don't have long-term dreams and hopes. Slavery is slavery, pain is pain, suffering is suffering.
You didn't prove anything. All you did was defending your choice to treat other sentient beings like disposable objects of desire by using inconsistent arguments.
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yea actual slaves were brought up in horrendous conditions.
animals bred for consumption are fed correctly and treated with compassion
if slaves were brought up well then you wouldn't see that so many of them are in poor health, unlike our livestock.
also BABIES have minds that have not yet developed, A child slave have a developed mind and therefore as the capability to have hopes and dreams. and no, I didn't read your comic because it was all just going to be condescending dribble.
and this is the problem with you vegans, you shove everything down peoples throats it puts them off and just makes you avoid you like the plague.
now I have an idea,
why don't you make a back sale where you sell vegan cakes, biscuits and snacks and the money you save up can be used to fund animal shelters, the vets, the RSPCA etc (or you can just use it to pay your rent XD)
BUT the point is if you do this, you will sound like a competent person who is productive and wants to help.
I also think we can both agree at this point that this is getting quite tedious....
you're vegan and happy.
I have a balanced diet and I'm happy.
we've been doing this for a week and a half now I think ?
and we've been going round in circles and I just don't think we will find a middle ground which is what I think this comes down to....
so I think we should put this WHOLE discussion to bed now (including the other responses on your other pics and just go our own ways.
But other than that thank you overall for this discussion I have learned new things and your insights have helped me see from another angle.
I'll be on my way now and hope you have a nice life
PEACE
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animals bred for consumption are fed correctly and treated with compassion
Sexually exploiting, torturing and killing others and their babies on a fraction of their natural lifespan others for profit is treating them with compassion? I mean, really? And are you suggesting that slavery is ok if you feed your slaves well? No offense, but that logic is pretty messed up. It's what all forms of injustice are build upon.
you shove everything down peoples throats it puts them off and just makes you avoid you like the plague.
Even if somebody did start talking to you about veganism, is it really "forcing" their opinion on you? To simply say "please consider not stabbing animals" is a very reasonable suggestion, is it not? Nobody is in a position to "force" you to do anything, if you want to keep stabbing animals, I am not in a position to prevent you. Indeed, from a non-vegans perspective, your opinion is that animals should be stabbed in the neck. To me, that is a far more forceful application of an opinion than simply asking someone to re-evaluate their position on something politely. But even IF vegans tied you up to a chair and force-fed you broccoli, that still doesn't justify enslaving, killing and sexually violating innocent sentient beings. No one is "put off" the idea of not harming others just because of what a certain person defending them says, neither is this the reason why they harm innocents. They harm innocents out of selfishness, not because of something a vegan on the internet has said. (I mean, by that logic, you might as well blame every form of violence on people who speak out against it. E.g: "Rude feminists are the reason why I beat my wife!" No one beats their wife because of the behaviour of a feminist. They beat their victims out of selfishness and use their defenders' behaviour as an excuse to hide that fact, just like how non-vegans do.) Even if I were rude to you and called you all sorts of names etc. that is not the reason why you stab animals. Sometimes people are rude. This is nothing to do with veganism - anybody could be rude, vegan or otherwise. If a man is rude to you, do you have a problem with all men? If a person of a particular ethnicity is rude to you, do you have a problem with everybody of that ethnicity? Of course not. The actions or behaviour of a single vegan should not encourage you to dismiss veganism. Veganism is just wanting to avoid hurting animals. Why would you want to hurt animals just because someone was rude to you? I am not saying that anybody should be rude to you, it's not justified. But don't let it cloud the issue. But let me make this clear: YOU are forcing your choice on animals. Vegans are telling you to STOP forcing your choice on animals. Don't turn it around.
you're vegan and happy.
I have a balanced diet and I'm happy.
But the point is that your victims aren't happy. This isn't about you or me, this is about them. They, too deserve to be happy. You keep ignoring their side of the story, their choice, and act as if they don't exist in all this. Vegans don't speak up for themselves. They speak up for them. For the victims. Suggesting that we should just bake pies and ignore their suffering is ridiculous. Just like slaves or any other victim of injustice, they deserve to be defended and spoken up for. Which is what I'll keep doing with my art.
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god you're just repeating yourself now, I have shown the proof, you just simply disagreeing with me and resorting to trying to guilt trip ans emotionally black mail me (which isn't working)
also if you're so against slavery then are you aware that some of the clothes you wear are from sweat shops or that the technology you use might be from a company like Apple BOTH of these of which are notorious for using child labor or child slavery.
you do realize that some of buildings and roads we own (and you probably live in) were built from black slaves ?
also aren't animals forcing their dietary choice on humans when they eat us in the wood or in the ocean ?
does that not mean the YOU are specieist (or what ever term it is) against humans)
you clearly didn't listen to my advice about the cake sale.
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god you're just repeating yourself now, I have shown the proof, you just simply disagreeing with me and resorting to trying to guilt trip ans emotionally black mail me (which isn't working)
How is disproving an argument about animal agriculture "emotionally blackmailing" you? You say you feel guilty, but you can't blame that feeling on the messenger. Because I'm not telling you that you should kill animals and the planet, you choose to do that yourself. All I've done is informing you about the impact of your choices. And if needlessly killing animals and the planet for your taste pleasure makes you feel "guilty" why do you do it? This isn't a matter of opinions you can "disagree" with. This is about facts about animal agriculture. It's killing trillions of lives, driving tens of thousands of entire species to extinction, deprives millions of people from their only food source and is killing the planet. Those are facts, confirmed by pretty much all peer-reviewed studies and research on it. Your feelings are not proof, neither is industry propaganda. Animal agriculture is not good for anything but human greed and taste pleasure. The least you can do is recognize that.
also if you're so against slavery then are you aware that some of the clothes you wear are from sweat shops or that the technology you use might be from a company like Apple BOTH of these of which are notorious for using child labor or child slavery.
Funding animal abuse does not help those stuck in slave labour, or working in sweat shop conditions. It's a separate issue, and the fact that anybody funds slavery or sweat shops does not mean you must also fund animal abuse. But, if you are against slavery and slave labour, it makes sense to also avoid funding them when possible. Many people seem to have the attitude of "well all kinds of bad things are going on in the world, so I give up". That attitude doesn't help anyone. Take responsibility for what you're doing, and find alternatives where you can, if you feel strongly about these subjects. Buy second hand clothes and second hand technology where you can, so you don't fund these practices. Buy items manufactured in your country where slave labour is illegal. Look into companies which are working in other countries to help those who are being exploited, offering them fair employment.
you do realize that some of buildings and roads we own (and you probably live in) were built from black slaves ?
That doesn't justify enslaving and killing poc today, does it? And neither does past animal cruelty justify exploiting animals today.
also aren't animals forcing their dietary choice on humans when they eat us in the wood or in the ocean ?
Os this a lions tho argument? Wild animals kill to survive. They must kill to eat, otherwise they would die. Whether they kill on instinct or are aware of their predicament is irrelevant, we are not in their situation. If you live in modern society and have access to crops, vegetables, fruit, grains etc, then you have no obligation or need for animal products. Also, lions exhibit all kinds of behaviour that you would seek to avoid, for instance, violent territorial disputes, and male lions will kill the cubs of a female he wishes to mate with because she won't mate while she has cubs around. Lions are not good ethical role models.
you clearly didn't listen to my advice about the cake sale.
Don't get me wrong, if a vegan would use cooking as their activism method to spread compassion, I would completely support them. We need all methods of activism in order to reach billions of people who are all different. Activists should promote veganism in ways that fit them. So every individual doesn’t have to focus on as many forms of activism as possible. We don’t need to. Everyone should play to their own strengths and preferences. For some that is blogging about food, for others it is doing street activism, and everything in between and in extension. Veganism should of course always be the goal. It would be great if every vegan went outside and did animal activism. No doubt. But if a vegan feels too uncomfortable to do this for some reason, but takes great pleasure in cooking and developing recipes, they can be great advocates using that as their tool. Veganism is an ethical ideology and I see no reason why someone with a food blog can’t make that clear. Like I said, vegan advocacy can only be vegan advocacy when it’s about veganism. The choice of food is something everyone deals with on a daily basis and follows our ethics. Blogging about food and educating people about the ethics behind it can go perfectly well together.
PS: In case you haven't noticed: I do BOTH cooking and comics as activism.
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I brought up new arguments, and you went in circles..
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No, you didn't. I literally quoted and replied to every one of your arguments, which were again the same old "pwotein, iron deficiency tho" arguments I already disproved in your first messages. Not sure why you're trying to turn it around. If you can't defend what you're saying, why even bother commenting?
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You didn't quote all of them
I pointed out that some of your clothes were probably made in sweat shops that are notorious for using child slaves....
You ignored that.
I pointed out that eating plants doesn't mean you don't cause harm to the animals because combine harvesters decapitate lots of animals for the sake of your food.
You ignored that...
You also ignored the proven fact that peta kills LOADS more animals 99% of the animals they saved are killed.
I'm not trying to turn around anything.
I just saw your picture, said an opinion,
You clearly didn't agree so instead of getting on with your day, you overreact in the form an essay of a comment.
You also mentioned at some point that your comics were meant to debunk things 'carnists' say about vegans...
You attempt to debunk the myth that vegans think they are superior to meat eaters yet proceed to solidify your obvious superiority complex
Destroying the point XD
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I pointed out that some of your clothes were probably made in sweat shops that are notorious for using child slaves....
I replied to that argument in the other comment you wrote elsewhere on my page. But in case you missed it, here it is again: Funding animal abuse does not help those stuck in slave labour, or working in sweat shop conditions. It's a separate issue, and the fact that anybody funds slavery or sweat shops does not mean you must also fund animal abuse. But, if you are against slavery and slave labour, it makes sense to also avoid funding them when possible. Many people seem to have the attitude of "well all kinds of bad things are going on in the world, so I give up". That attitude doesn't help anyone. Take responsibility for what you're doing, and find alternatives where you can, if you feel strongly about these subjects. Buy second hand clothes and second hand technology where you can, so you don't fund these practices. Buy items manufactured in your country where slave labour is illegal. Look into companies which are working in other countries to help those who are being exploited, offering them fair employment. (And in case you're interested to known: all of the products in my webshop are fairtrade approved, meaning zero slave labour produced products).
peta kills LOADS more animals
What PETA does is irrelevant to what I do. In case you didn't realize: this is Pupa's animal rights page, not PETA's animal rights page. We're not the same. ISIS, a non-vegan organization, kills a lot of people, but I don't see what that has to do with the general non-vegan population their opinion on killing people. Also: I don't know about PETA, but if you think that their killing of shelter animals is horrible, why do you kill even more animals yourself when you don't have to?
You attempt to debunk the myth that vegans think they are superior to meat eaters yet proceed to solidify your obvious superiority complex
Veganism is about treating others as equals, not about being superior. It is non-vegans who believe that their tastebuds are superior to all life on earth. As vegans say: "I don't feel superior because I'm a vegan... I'm a vegan because I don't feel superior". With regards to being judgemental, vegans judge the majority of life on earth as precious. Meanwhile, it is non-vegans who tend to judge all other species as being not worthy of having even basic rights, e.g. the right to be free from harm and exploitation.
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I'm sorry but the way you potray meat eaters as stupid ignorant creatures and vegans as these flawless Messiahs just shows how much you look down on your own species, which is speciesm right there.
Also if the meat industry goes WHAT WILL WE FEED OUR CARNIVORIOUS PETS, WHEN WE CAN'T BUY THE MEAT TO FEED THEM ?
Btw if all life is equal no matter what then when a girl is raped and impregnated, is that girl in the wrong for aborting that life ?
It takes life to give life
For example A COMBINE HARVESTER DECAPITATES MANY WOODLAND CREATURES FOR YOUR FOOD. (will you please address this instead of ignoring it ?)
84% of vegans turn back to meat and I have explained why
Will you address the 84% please ? You've been ignoring that as well...
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the way you potray meat eaters as stupid ignorant creatures
The comics are not a representation of every single person who is not vegan. Each comic deals with a particular explanation for animal abuse which vegans frequently hear and deal with, or shows what happens in animal agriculture. Nowhere on any of my images do I call anybody stupid, dumb, a monster etc. I just show what certain people say, and how certain people defend what goes on. If you think that what happens in animal agriculture is stupid and monstrous, then it's your call to stop supporting it. If you have never said anything that is depicted in a single one of my comics - then they surely aren't about you. I have non-vegan friends, they follow my page, understand what I am saying, and don't take offense. They've never said this stuff to me. But, there are many people who do say these things, and my images attempt to show the absurdity of defending animal abuse.
WHAT WILL WE FEED OUR CARNIVORIOUS PETS,
Whatever a person chooes to feed their companion animals has absolutely nothing to do with what they choose to eat themselves, and what else they choose to boycott. So whether or not you feel that your companion animals require meat to live healthily should have no impact on whether you buy animal products outside of that. There are only two ways of looking at it. If you feel that your companion animal does not need meat to survive, and that there are alternatives that would allow them to live absolutely healthily - then it just makes sense to do that. But if you disagree, and you feel that it's 100% necessary to feed them meat, then in order to care for that animal you'd have to do that. The alternative is ridding yourself of that animal, which most people wouldn't want to do. Fundamentally, these domesticated animals are being bred for our enjoyment, and then once they're born, they can create a burden on the meat industry. The breeding of the animals in the first place is the core of the problem. That should stop, and I encourage people never to buy from a breeder. Adopt from a shelter. That way you are not contributing to the overpopulation of domestic animals in need of a home.
is that girl in the wrong for aborting that life ?
COMBINE HARVESTER DECAPITATES MANY WOODLAND CREATURES FOR YOUR FOOD. (will you please address this instead of ignoring it ?)
I have never ignored this argument, I have replied to it multiple times by now, explaining how veganism minimizes crop production since feeding over 58 billion animals on plants will always require additional crop production and land use than producing crops for 7.5 billion humans would. It's just logic and common sense.
84% of vegans
*trend following plantbased followers, those people are not vegans. Veganism is not a diet. It's an ethical stance. How hard is that to understand? That's like saying '84% of non-burglars go back to burgling'. The few months you abstain from burgling houses from your last break-in does not make you a non-burglar. Similarly, the few months you abstain from consuming animal products does not make you a vegan. Want to know the REAL statistic? Here it is: 100% of vegans stay vegan forever, because vegans are OPPOSED to the systematic enslavement and murder of animals. If there's even the slightest doubt in your mind you may one day 'give up' veganism, you are no more a vegan than a burglar having a break from burgling is a non-burglar.
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Isn't a plant based diet a vegan diet anyways XD
also if you meet people who are as ignorant as the ones in your comic, I think you might have to look at yourself if you keep getting people like this.
Shawn it think his name is ?
I would like to state that he has SWEET hair XD
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Isn't a plant based diet a vegan diet anyways
A plantbased diet is part of being vegan, but it does not define veganism. Veganism is an ethical stance, not a diet. Just like how not killing women is a part of women's rights, but does not define women's rights (as women's rights also includes that you believe women deserve moral consideration and shouldn't be oppressed AT ALL). It's the same with vegans and animals. Therefore someone who follows only the diet part of veganism is plantbased, not vegan. My boyfriend started out as plantbased. After a few years of informing himself about the ethical aspect of veganism, he became vegan.
also if you meet people who are as ignorant as the ones in your comic, I think you might have to look at yourself if you keep getting people like this.
I'm not getting them like this. This is how many people act as soon as you suggest they stop enslaving and killing others. I have no control over their actions, all I can do is inform them about the reality behind their choices.
I would like to state that he has SWEET hair XD
Thanks
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Are you comparing women to cows ?
The difference between women's rights and eating animals is that... Opressing someone for their sex is just plain ignorant and dehumanising
The other sustains us..
Also people don't act like this unless you really are as condescending in real life.
I'm sorry but your condescending illustrations achieve nothing other than solidifying why people are put off by veganism to begin with..
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Are you comparing women to cows ?
I'm defining feminism, and defining veganism. Please don't use strawman fallacies to work your way around the argument.
The difference between women's rights and eating animals is that... Opressing someone for their sex is just plain ignorant and dehumanising
Agreed, but so is oppressing others because of other morally irrelevant traits like skin colour, sexuality or species. We don't oppress animals to sustain ourselves. We oppress them for our enjoyment, and oppress millions of people from 3rd world countries in the process.
Also people don't act like this unless you really are as condescending in real life.
Oppressors of every group of victims tend to become defensive and hostile when someone tells them they should stop harming their victims. That's how the psychology behind oppression works. If you tell a bully to stop bullying a small boy, do you think he'll be respectful to you? Or do you think he will most likely become hostile and defensive? If you call it "condescending" to speak up for the weak and defenseless, then what does that make the person who oppresses and kills their victim and try to justify this by saying that they're not like them? Non-veganism is the epitome of having a superiority complex, because non-vegans believe that their tastebuds are superior to all life on earth and that even millions of children in 3rd world countries should starve to death as long as that gets bacon on their plate. I know this sounds harsh, but that is the reality.
I'm sorry but your condescending illustrations achieve nothing other than solidifying why people are put off by veganism to begin with
My comics and conversations have changed the hearts of thousands of people. What will truly not change anything is remain silence when an injustice takes place. If we had it your way, and every time an injustice took place we'd just be silent about it, women would still be chained to the kitchen sink while I (as a person of colour) would be pulling some white person's carriage. If an injustice takes place, the only thing that will change it is to speak up for the victims. And oppressors aren't "put off" the idea of not harming their victims by people who tell them to stop harming their victims, nor is that the reason why they oppress/kill them. They oppress their victims because they're selfish. You can't blame a bully's behaviour on someone who suggests him to stop bullying.
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So veganism and feminism are the same as far as fairness goes....
I can somewhat agree. Both had very good intentions but over time they have been twisted and destroyed by mentally and emotionally unstable extremists.
I'm sorry but there is no comparison between bullying and consuming something for survival. Stop trying to emotionally black mail people, it won't work on me.
Plus I don't eat animals out of malicion or because I 'think I'm superior to them'
NO, an elephant could easily crush me, a pack of wolves can tear me apart, a lion can pounce on me and eat me and I know damn well a shark could devour me.
Again trespassing and vandalizing privet property, starving your pets and children to the point of emaciation, yelling at people who haved suffered through the vegan diet and turn back to eating meat to save their lives, promoting the starvation and malnutrition of young people via videos all in the name of 'kindness' and 'love' for other animals at the expense of your own people ummmm....
The suffragettes didn't win their freedom by being condicending, they were productive and used facts.
The only people you have convinced are people who are emotionally manipulated into being guilt tripped.
You are EXACTLY LIKE PETA you guilt trip and shame with no evidence.
I eat meat because it's part of your balanced diet, said meat and dairy is free range and killed humanely, and I do my part to look after the environment.
If you have a problem with that it's on you. I can take criticism and listen to other people.
You on the other hand can't. This all started because I expressed an opinion that didn't sit Right with you and you over reacted.
If you want your message to get out there and taken seriously, do that bake sale mentioned many moons ago...
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There are rude people in every justice movement. But that will never justify harming the victims they defend.
I'm sorry but there is no comparison between bullying and consuming something for survival. Stop trying to emotionally black mail people, it won't work on me.
No one mentioned consuming something for survival though. We were talking about consuming animal products for their taste pleasure/habits/traditions, which humans have no biological need for. And honestly, killing innocent beings unnessecarily for those trivial reasons is even worse than bullying is. Because you don't just bully the victims, you torture, mutilate and kill them. And telling people they should stop harming others is not "emotionally blackmailing" them. If you want to see truly emotionally tortured beings, take a close look inside a dairy farm or a slaughterhouse, where babies are ripped from their mothers and mothers are sexually exploited over and over and over again until their bodies can't take it anymore and collapse and then they have their throat slit (often while still pregnant). Those are the real victims here, not their oppressors.
Plus I don't eat animals out of malicion or because I 'think I'm superior to them'
NO, an elephant could easily crush me, a pack of wolves can tear me apart, a lion can pounce on me and eat me and I know damn well a shark could devour me
Please don't act as if what you're doing to animals is fair game. You're not living in the wild in a kill or be killed situation. You breed genetically manipulated animals by the trillions in captivity, where they have no chance to fight back. You are an oppressor with a victim.
Again trespassing and vandalizing privet property,
...to save lives. You forgot to mention that part. And honestly, destroying torture devices and saving slaves is a hell lot better than using those devices on the slaves and killing them. So that makes even the most "extreme" activist less violent than the most "peaceful" non-vegan. Because let me guess: if someone abused his dog, you'd be cheering for the person who came to save the dog. Right?
starving your pets and children to the point of emaciation,
No one suports doing that. Except abusive people, who belong in jail.
yelling at people who haved suffered through the vegan diet and turn back to eating meat to save their lives,
You mean people who starved themselves out of ignorance?
promoting the starvation and malnutrition of young people via videos all in the name of 'kindness' and 'love' for other animals at the expense of your own people ummmm....
I 100% agree with you on that. There are so many people online promoting extreme diets which are dangerous (especially weight loss diets) and deficient. I see both vegans and non-vegans promoting dangerously deficient or heart-disease feeding diets. And I completely agree that they're insane. Therefore if people tell me they want to eat better, I always advice them to look into sources like Nutritionfacts, which promote healthy, balanced ways of eating rather than weird anorexic diets like drinking your own pee and fasting.
The suffragettes didn't win their freedom by being condicending, they were productive and used facts
That's what vegans do, too. We use facts about animal agriculture's impact on the planet. Facts you've conveniently ignored so far. And hundreds of peer-reviewed papers and studies you've ignored so far, while ironically being unable to provide even a single peer-reviewed source yourself. Instead, you use terms like "humane" and "free-range" that distort the impact of your actions, and pretend to care about the environment while participating in the leading cause of its destruction, and on top of that write off solid facts as "opinions". You're basically denying that blue is blue and not red. You can say you care, you can say you can take criticism, you can say you do what you do because otherwise you will die, but that doesn't change the fact that neither of those things are true. Telling yourself that the animals have it good, doesn't change the fact that they're tortured, mutilated, have their babies taken from them and are killed for your enjoyment. Saying that you care about the environment doesn't change the fact that you support the leading cause of greenhouse gas emmissions, ocean deadzones, habitat destruction, species extinction, world hunger and many other environmental ills the industry you defend is the leading cause of. Repeating that humans need meat to survive doesn't erase the hundreds of millions of vegans in the world, and neither does it erase the fact that your body has no biological need for it and that's even harmful to consume it. If you care about stuff, you should show it with your actions, not just your words. And considering the fact that you state you feel guilty on being called out on harming innocents, it shows that deep down you do care. Hopefully someday you put your morals in line with your actions.
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I'd love to be her, but I can't help on how to get rid of cockroaches without lethally killing them.
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There are many ways to get rid of "pests" without killing them. All it takes is a bit of research.
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You're right! 😁 But still can't help swatting blood sucking mosquitoes around me though. It's so hard to become an animal lover.
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Mosquitos don't attack me anymore since I went vegan. Someone told me it's because I started usingnutritional yeast once in a while (which mosquitos apparently hate), but I don't know if that's true.
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Lucky you! They love to bug (get it?) me a LOT!
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Wait does that include birds because you must've used a plane at some point and those are known for causing the deaths of birds
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... what are you talking about, dude? XD
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I wouldn't doubt you've used a plane before and planes are known for killing birds due to them getting caught in the engines
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