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"You defend animals whose cruelty I'm not responsible for? Cool!You defend animals whose cruelty I'm responsible for? HUMAN HATING BASTARD!!!"
It's one of the many silly arguments us vegans hear from meat eaters when we defend the animals who are brutally exploited and killed by the meat-, dairy-, and egg industries. Apparently some people are only against animal cruelty when it's convenient for them. This argument is usually followed by...
Some animals are to be killed some aren't
Written by Vegan Sidekick
What is this based on? Let's use dogs as an example as that's the most commonly respected animal, in my experience.
"Dogs are our companions!"
Practically any animal could be your companion if you gave them the chance. People keep pigs as companions, and form bonds with them as strong as you can with a dog.
"I just like dogs, I don't have a connection with other animals!"
That is not a justification for killing other animals. Somebody could equally say to you "I don't have a connection with your dog, so I am going to slit their throat". Just because of how you feel about an animal, doesn't mean that animal is disposable, they are sentient beings.
"Dogs are intelligent, other animals are dumb!"
That is not a justification for killing them. Other animals such as cats, hamsters and so on could be said to be less intelligent than dogs, that doesn't mean you think killing them is fine presumably. But as it happens, pigs are in many ways more intelligent than dogs, able to make connections and solve problems more advanced than anything dogs can do, and can interact on a higher level with video games, they can recognise human faces, understand reflections in a mirror, respond to commands and so on. If you have any serious consideration for animals, feel free to look up articles on chicken intelligence, cattle intelligence, sheep intelligence and so on. It is out of the question that dogs are alone as being intelligent animals.
"Companion animals are my property, like my TV!"
This is an absurd comparison. The reason why you'd be upset with someone killing your dog is not because they are your property, it's because they are sentient beings, living their own life, and you don't want harm to come to them. Damage to your TV is a financial loss, your companion animals are more than that surely?
"Just our culture, it's actually fine to slit dog's throats as long as it's done in another culture not this one!"
That makes no sense at all. Following through with this statement, you'd be appalled if a dog was killed in front of you, but apparently if that same dog was transported to another country where it is culturally acceptable to kill them, then you'd say it was fine. Think it through - it's the same dog, precisely the same thing is happening to them. Why does it matter where it happens?
"Dogs have been companions of humans for hundreds of years!"
That is just because humans have chosen for it to be that way, it isn't the fault of other animals. You could make a companionship with any animal if you chose, there's no reason to be killing them just because you chose not to make a friend of them.
"You can play catch with a dog and they do tricks!"
You can do the same with many other species. But why do you want to kill animals who don't want to play catch? Most cats don't want to play catch, they might do other things, but most don't retrieve things and play catch like dogs do, but it doesn't logically follow that you must slit a cat's throat.
"Dogs are cute!"
Why do you discriminate against animals based upon what they look like? If you come across a dog that isn't cute, are you compelled to slit their throat? If someone doesn't find your dog cute, is it okay for them to slit their throat?
Yeah but it's because I have a connection with my animal, they're like family. Killing animals outside my family is fine!"
This is a direction comparison between humans and dogs. Therefore, you are saying that killing your dog would be bad because they're like family. Killing anyone outside your family is therefore fine, would you apply this to strangers then? A human stranger is not part of your family, unlike your dog. The argument of "you're humanizing animals" cannot be used, because you are the one humanizing animals in this case, comparing them to your family. Just because an animal or human is outside your family is no grounds to slit their throat. Also, think this through. If you have an animal that currently isn't in your family, you're arguing that it's fine to slit their throat. But if you chose to instead adopt them, then immediately it's abhorrent to slit that animal's throat. It's the same animal. Look at this from the animal's perspective, not your own.
More silly arguments you should never use against a vegan: vegansidekick.com/guide
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Comments: 74
Pupaveg In reply to ??? [2017-02-23 20:07:15 +0000 UTC]
To be honest, I haven't used a plane in 10 years. XD
You can't be 100% vegan in modern society so why bother
At this moment, animals and animal products are used in so many ways that it is near impossible to actually live in a way that avoids using any item, device or vehicle which has no connection with animal exploitation. But that difficulty is no reason to continue to be involved with the things which are extremely easy to avoid, and which form the bulk of demand for animal exploitation. Veganism isn't about dogmatically and irrationally saying "I am perfect, I harm nothing". It is about recognising the harm that is being done by our society, and trying to make a change, avoid being part of it - as far as we can. In future, as more and more people go vegan, there will be more and more alternatives developed because research will be put into new technology. Right now we are a minority, so why would giant corporations be saying "Hmm, what can we use in car tyres apart from this small amount of animal ingredients?" But as the world changes, those things will follow, and animal use will continue to decline, so it will be easier to avoid animal use in other areas of life.
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seasstryu1521 [2016-11-06 21:33:05 +0000 UTC]
this is usually just because of the people who do veganism wrong and are human hating extremist.Β Most people these days identify a group by their worst members.
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Pupaveg In reply to seasstryu1521 [2016-11-08 10:10:41 +0000 UTC]
Well, I've seen plenty of people calling vegans "human haters" just because they think animal rights are important, too. You don't even have to hate humans to be called a "human hater" just for being vegan. I got called one several times just for painting a drawing against animal cruelty. It always goes like: "Why are you so concerned about animals when people are going hungry in the world?! You don't care about people, don't you?!"
Ironically animal agriculture is the leading cause of starvation.
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seasstryu1521 In reply to Pupaveg [2016-11-08 16:37:52 +0000 UTC]
they say we eat so much soy, when only 2% goes to humans.Β If people didn't eat animals, the excess food we would have would be incredible.Β World hunger would be solved easily.
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Pupaveg In reply to seasstryu1521 [2016-11-09 14:21:05 +0000 UTC]
The majority of GMO soy is processed into cattle feed (87%). Only 6% of this soy is consumed by humans, mainly in Asian countries, and the rest is used for other purposes. I'm glad that most vegan food products don't contain any of this GMO soy; most well-known brands are GMO-free. We could feed the world 13 times over if we didn't waste all those crops to farm animals.
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RainLillie In reply to ??? [2016-09-06 07:37:30 +0000 UTC]
What about bugs or rodents? If your house was infested, what would you do? (This is a serious question btw, I'm just curious)
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Pupaveg In reply to RainLillie [2016-09-06 08:59:49 +0000 UTC]
Hi there! ^^ There are plenty of ways to get rid of rodents and bugs without killing them. All it needs is a little bit of research.
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TheKamChalice112 In reply to Pupaveg [2023-12-29 12:13:51 +0000 UTC]
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LostbunniesofWendy In reply to ??? [2015-12-18 21:23:23 +0000 UTC]
I like the angry face at the end!
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LostbunniesofWendy In reply to Pupaveg [2015-12-26 00:14:41 +0000 UTC]
You are welcome!
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d4174179 In reply to ??? [2015-12-09 21:40:47 +0000 UTC]
Some great counterpoints here!
BTW, Shawn's new look seems both more gentlemanly and sinister at the same time-- somehow a symbolic appearance.
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Pupaveg In reply to d4174179 [2015-12-09 23:30:00 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I kinda sucked at drawing spiky hair, but now I've gotten better at it, which explains why his new design looks better than the old one.
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d4174179 In reply to Pupaveg [2015-12-10 00:04:43 +0000 UTC]
I like his hair either way-- but, in the spirit of the comic, being handsome does not give him the license to be mean to others. He is a great example of this.
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Pupaveg In reply to d4174179 [2015-12-10 00:30:14 +0000 UTC]
Yes indeed. Thanks so much!
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EndlessPoetry In reply to ??? [2015-12-09 21:24:11 +0000 UTC]
You make some decent points. I'm okay with people who hunt animals for food and skin (so we have our differences in opinion), but I can clearly understand the point your conveying. I also hate the "but (insert animal's name here)'s are cute"Β argument that people use. Though I'd like to be a hunter myself, I have great respect for vegans and vegetarians because they can resist the desire for meat and pelts. Good for you.
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Pupaveg In reply to EndlessPoetry [2015-12-09 21:27:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it really doesn't matter to me wether one is cute or not. If being cute were a reason to kill someone, then a lot of people would be in trouble. XD I always found it a ridiculous argument anyway. Would that mean that I had to treat my cute friends better than my friends who don't look like supermodels? Or my purebred dog better than my mix breed dog? Of course not! That would be silly!
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EndlessPoetry In reply to Pupaveg [2015-12-09 21:49:55 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. People would often say to me that eating rabbit meat is cruel, yet they eat lamb and chicken and all sorts of "normal" meat. Their argument, of course, is that rabbits are cute. They are unbearably cute, yes, but that is no reason to treat them differently.
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Pupaveg In reply to EndlessPoetry [2015-12-09 23:39:53 +0000 UTC]
I agree. It's hypocritical. All animals' lives matter. Not just the lives of pets or cute animals.
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EndlessPoetry In reply to Pupaveg [2015-12-10 08:03:08 +0000 UTC]
Definitely. More people need to understand this.
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Pupaveg In reply to EndlessPoetry [2015-12-10 16:07:30 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... as long as they eat lamb, chicken, cow or pig, it is not their place to call you out on eating rabbit. It is equivalent to saying that it's cruel to bully white people, but perfectly fine to bully black ones. It's downright hypocritical.
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