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Why? because it is true people.Give me a good reason why she isn't a Mary Sue?
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Well many years have passed, what has changed really?
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I don't exactly have an argument but I like the idea of Sari, I've never really seen the idea of a human robot hybrid in Transformers before. And I think if this story was possibly a little bit different it could have been more amazing but at the same time it's still pretty creative.Β
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I really like Sari, I'm not arguing against her being a Mary Sue I just enjoyed Sari and Animated as a whole.Β
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Yeah, this post was a couple years ago. I can't remember my thought process for uploading this one, I was probably trying to start a fight. People can like whatever they want so I'm glad you can enjoy a character I couldn't wrap my head around. 
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not you, i hate how people use the mary sue excuse to hate on a character when said character isn't even a mary sue
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything.
Since I tend to listen to all sides, what do you think doesn't make her a sue? Just curious.
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I just see her as a robotic girl who has more potential than normal transformers due to basically being a techno-organic. I am aware that she is given more abilities, though she hasn't mastered them yet and isn't as experienced as other transformers. The reason I don't see her as a mary sue is because I don't see Sari being the perfect little angel, she has flaws and makes reasonable mistakes (a real mary sue is Chloe from FoP)
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Fair enough. What's FoP?
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Fairly Odd Parents, FoP is what most people call it or short
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Oh yeah, I remember that series.
I don't remember the character though, must really be that bad eh?
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It had started getting bad, especially when they were running out of ideas (some people think that this started when Poof, Cosmo and Wanda's baby, was born and others think it was then not ending the show after Channel Chasers). Chloe is a character from the latest season and she is the definition of a mary sue: she is made out as the perfect human being (Crocker even states this), she's friends with the president, everybody likes her and Timmy is forced to share his fairies with her.
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Huh. I must've missed out, most likely for the best.
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I long since stopped watching the show and honestly, it was for the better
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I also distinctly remember there being a live-action film of sorts I believe,
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yes, there were 3 live action films
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Thank you SO SO very much for posting this. I really do wish that she could at least make one or two major mistakes that will make it hard to get over. I always hated her from the start where she's all whiny and needs that autobots to save her blah blah blah but she gets so much worse after the upgrade. Basically every episode in the series will contain Sari in it. They could at least leave some screen time for the other characters like jettwins, jazz or characters like that bit nooooo they focus on Sari Sari and more Sari. Of course she had to be half cybertronian and be all powerful. If she could heal just about any bot then what is the point of having a medic? No matter what she does they will always care for her and such not to mention she kind of selfish I don't think she asked the other characters of they were OK but the others would consistently and her if was fine or something. Now I wish she was more of a side character .-.
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You serious? There have been worse mate.
Sam anyone?
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Uggh. I always found her to be little more then a glorified walking mcguffin, with a painfully fanficish origin. It's almost like they were poking fun at self-inserts.
The concept behind her had potential, but the execution was just plain bad (like a lot of things in this show). She made Ratchet look completely redundant as a medic.
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Let's see you do better.
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True, I do believe if they had put more thought into her and how she came to be they could have given her the basics flaws as to not make her look like the perfect being. One major plot point for a perfect character is that they can do so much wrong and no characters will ever call them out on it and continue loving her. I do believe that still could have been happy when she woke up in her upgraded form, yet give her a big lecture of what she did wrong. They could have shown her grieve over her carnage and how she almost killed one of her friends. They went as far as give her new abilities as time progressed through the show, which was very disappointing because while they could have given other characters upgrades, they continued making her the perfect specimen.
I really wanted Ratchet to have a talk with her about how she used the key for her own. With his character you'd expect that he out of all of them would be furious that she acted in that way without thought.
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All human characters in a transformers series are viewer avatars. From Spike Witwicky to Russel Clay. She isnt the first human to actually be able to fight with a Transformer, and she wasnt the last either.
a Mary-Sue is a perfect character. Sari Isn't perfect. Much of the time she actually acts as the Scrappy or the Load. You would think that she would use her allspark key for something useful like upgrading the Autobots weapons, but no. She finally becomes useful in the 3rd season by literally upgrading herself.
People usually skim over so instead of acknowledging a timeline where the character is better developed they pick the worst moment. Many times a favorite character can be hated at one point and beloved later. Sari really didnt get that.
Transformers animated was, at least to me, the best animated series. It changed things enough to be interesting from the usual Optimus-V-Megatron and it being canceled after only 3 seasons meant that things had to be cut and any more development was cut short.
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I see your point. But I do look at a lot of character development. And how she was developed wasn't well thought out. She upgraded herself yes, but she also earned more weapons, (when Autobots and Decepticons only have one weapon to fight with). She was able to fly, fight, run faster than Blurr, and she was more intelligent than Ratchet and Bulkhead when it came to Cybertroion technology even though she has never been taught how to deal with it. And everyone loved her unconditionally, even though she almost killed Bumblebee and destroyed half the town. They didn't scold her for being selfish. Instead when she woke up, all she had to say for herself was, "I told you I'd be okay." Not once did she ask if anyone was okay.
In my own opinion, she was better off being a side human character. Because she had no flaws. That's what a Mary Sue is.
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Autobots in each of the series are meant to be peaceful civilians so each time they are shown theyre basically a militia using whatever they can. Theyre limited to internal space and what they can actually hide. You cant put a cannon on a firetruck, now can you? Animated actually made that more restrictive by making them laborers that didnt upgrade until the second season finale.
Prime had the most heavily armed Autobots as each one with have an internal weapon changing system consisting of 2 melee weapons and 2 ranged weapons. Even then acquiring more powerful weapons became a plot point and in the 3rd season they outright got some better and less concealable weapons.
Beast Wars had the models so bereft of physical weapons the Writers and fans give everyone guns out of things that arent. Dinobot gained Laser Eyes, Blackarachnia kibble legs became machineguns, and Tarantula's buzzsaw shot circular energy discs.
Deceptions to contrast have military forms with large and/or powerful weapons. Megatron has a signature ArmCannon in many incarnations.
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Technopathy is s certainly a powerful ability. Transformers themselves arent all technical specialists. They need medical personnel to repair each other and separate engineers to fix equipment.
Sari actually combined with part of the all-spark so basically she got Touched By Jesus. If that hadnt been pointed out for 2 seasons that even a fragment of the all-spark could do alot with technology and that she was revealed to be mechanical herself its Robot+allspark=upgrade.
Her going out of control after upgrading herself is basically puberty for robots with weapons. If the show hadnt been cut it would have been nice to see she still has problems with who she is, her instant growth, and how she fits between humans and robots.
If anything she is an Anti-Sue. Shes just a load until she finally becomes useful. The Autobots only keep her around because she is the primary human contact and knows they are sentient. Animated took that a step further by making most Transformers bigots who detest organic lifeforms and her interactions have a long-term consequence making the Protaganists open-minded. To many humans Transformers come across as Killer Machines or malfunctioning Robot Slaves rather than a race of sentient machines from another solar system.
The real problem is how little use humans tend to be in Transformers series. Its rare to see humans fight in any way. In the Live Action films they did and it became ridiculous that human soldiers started defeating them using assault rifles. Most of the time humans are the Heart of any team.
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Point taken. But I do wish they'd cleared a few things about Sari in the show before it was cut.
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I know some people defend this character because she's "not entirely perfect," but that becomes a moot point when you realize you don't have to write the character as ridiculously perfect. Yeah, a character can have flaws, but are they even consequential flaws? It's one thing to be an obnoxious brat. It's another to be both obnoxious and never seeming to get punished for being obnoxious... or even learn from it. It's like when Bella Swan from Twilight was described to be "clumsy," did it really have any big consequences? Nope. It doesn't matter how many flaws you can count. It depends on how much of those flaws are actually a liability, therefore adding more tension.
Another thing to note is the manner of which you receive great power. Apparently, it's excusable by some to overpower or even defeat more seasoned veterans by just getting power without really trying. It's literally given to that person. There's no indication of whether this person will be competent in fighting. They just sort of can. If anything, it's a cheap copout.
And it gets worse if the character hijacks attention in the series. The show is good on its own, probably being the best service to Transformers recently (as the "Bayformers" aren't that good). But then Sari comes in, whose role beyond human companion is convenient plot trolley. If there is a way to make ass pulls annoying, it's how she resolves problems in such a convenient manner with her key that it seems like lazy writing. It's more annoying when this robot who is so tiny in comparison to her opponents that it doesn't appear consistent to make her as powerful as she is. And when all the Autobots fail, it's all up to her. Yes, the beloved giant robots would fail if it weren't for her. Please... that is just painful...
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Ah yes, but in Sari's defense, she's the female human protagonist in a hasbro cartoon, it doesn't matter if the writer is shakespear teamed up with walt-whitman, the execs would win out and get there way. Sure she is a Mary Sue, but as a point of debate, most characters in Cartoons are, notice that while Megatron is supposed to be the "Big bad" he never manages a stable victory out of his incompetance or his followers. THAT and Sari had moments of plot convienced power-surges/power-lows, remember the moment against Soundwave? Blasts her right in the face with Laserbeak in guitar mode, she seem's to forget her battle mode is a thing and takes the brunt of it and runs off as if she couldn't use what power the executives gave her to defeat a relatively low power enemy.
That, and most of the Human characters through-out Transformers history lacked relevence is most scenes, or story arcs, overcompensating with Sari could be seen as an attempt to rectify this. Its more difficult then we give credit on how often they use plot convience in the transformers franchise. Honestly, you set your characters up for failure or distaste should you plug in your Mcguffin directly into em. (To be fair, most of her abilities became a chekhov's gun, in an attempt to fix the Mary sueness.)
Still, I must admit that I liked Sari as a point of thought, and her backstory wasn't too outlandish, more of a failure of executive boards then the character herself, the design of the character was pleasing in the artstyle.Β
P.S. Size matters not with most cases of fictional characters, Megatron kicked Omega-surpemes teeth in on cybertron in most continuities, because of dark energon, Trypticon by the same token was permenantly damaged by a few autobots. Sari had an *Allspark key* essentially shoved into her chest, considering a fragment made Starscream invincible (for a time anyway) and being the human character for the show, she essentially got buffed from a normal human with a few nifty gravity attacks to a low level city crusher with an inconsistant measure of power.
Think a PT-boat being powered by several nuclear generators and armed like an Arizona class battleship, with bad wiring, you get the picture.
~I argue that Sari is a case of poor executive idea's and not helped by helpless writers, and being owned by hasbro doesn't help.
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Yeah. I'd have to agree with those statements. The show put me off as soon as she got her upgrade and took attention away from the proper story plot.
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I know this is three years old now. But I agree; Sari was a Mary Sue.
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Yeah. In a way I suppose she was a nice character. But she didn't have any flaws and that was what made her bad.
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Eh, she kindof did.
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Indeed. I know some people disagreed with this meme. But what you said there is valid. And that is not how you balance a character. And in my opinion, Sari was unbalanced. Much like the entire show itself. Well, I'm just glad that the franchise didn't end with TFA. Because after that, there were better shows. At least in my opinion anyway.
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Like TF Prime.Β
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Yeah, that was one series.
Check out this little speech here:
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TFP is my favourite at the moment. Though, a new Transformers series is coming out this year, so I'll have to check that one out!
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www.fanfiction.net/u/341095/Daβ¦
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Yep. Transformers Prime rocks. And admittedly it was one of the few shows from recent years that I was actually able to open up to. Because I feel that show was handled with care. And yeah, I'm aware of a new series coming soon. And well... I'm anxiously awaiting its premiere.
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Hate to say it Guys If Sari's such a mary so how come she can fix any damaged robot yet the aautobots doctor can't fix bumblebee And since I see a way for you to counter this statement I go on furthermore to point out She is the only female heronine to be both human and BOT!!!! also to counter attack your peoples statements of she lied and manipulated people she is megatrons Daughter but I don't see any of you pointing out how despite being from a decepticon she was a monumental asset to the autobots Oh and one last thing remind me how Mikaela Banes Or (megan Fox) was useful in any way shape or Form oh and itès just dawned on me that optimus prime yelled at bumbelbee to stay back and what happened when he didn't oh that's right big bad Bee Got Owned By This supposed marry sue and her energon Wepons!!!
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Check that grammar bro.
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yeah I am sorry about my grammar I didn't think it out I just saw my fav character being bashed so I felt I needed to get my two cents In
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That's fine. Besides, I made the pic ages ago. I don't really care what anyone thinks. People can still like her, she did have some moments that I didn't mind or think was sueish.
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Ok Sorry About the rant then
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A Mary Sue is a perfect heroine. Sari is no perfect heroine. She whines, complains, manipulates others and frequently acts in a childish, sometimes selfish manner. Almost like a real kid might. She's also reckless about her personal safety and sometimes the safety of others. About the only criteria that lines Sari Sumdac with a Mary Sue is her discovery of her unusual origins and her unusual abilites. That's about one of the most common tropes in fiction, and if you're going to saddle Sari with that, then about half of all fictional protagonists are going to have to join her in Mary Sue Hell.
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