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Description Map based on Mumby's Dutch's America bobmumby.deviantart.com/art/Du… with a few changes of my own.

In this world, Dutch Van Der Linde, from the "Red Dead Redemption" game, led an anarchist/anti-urban western revolt in the aftermath of a more drawn-out and messy civil war and chaotic conditions in the western US. In the end, the US was divided into an "Orangeist" west, a neo-Confederacy in the south, and a workers and soldiers republic in the north. The West and North joined to crush the south, and the West then turned on a North weakened by divisions between hard-line socialists and the more moderate types.

A WWI of sorts broke out in Europe, with the anti-German block weakened from the start by the lack of US exports and financial backing. Van Der Linde joined the German side in hopes of gaining German help against the northeasterners, and also in hope of spreading his revolution to Canada. In the end the help the Germans were able to give was limited, but the invasion of Canada did lead to the UK throwing in the towel. The pressures of war led to the rise of the more radical Northeastern elements to power, and given the heavy concentration of industry and population in the area Van Der Linde was unable to crush what became the United Socialist Councils, although driving them into their core areas.

The necessities of war also made it certain the Van Der Linde's "savage utopia" became a dictatorship: when a new post-armistice "Constitutional Convention" created the American Popular Union, president-for-life Van Der Linde was essentially military dictator, [1] although his role as President was supposedly ceremonial. A process of breaking up and rearranging old state boundaries to create new "republics" was extended to the east, with new states created to punish enemies and reward allies. The power of urban centers and older eastern elites was broken, many cities destroyed outright or their populations dispersed. 

Overseas, Japan as OTL was drawn into struggles with China. Germany had won the war but had been unable to entirely break France and Russia, which rose again post-war under new "Vanguardist" ultra-national regimes, as did rump Italy. In the end a second Great War broke out, with Austria and Germany against France, Italy, and Russia, with the British occupied in Asia vs the Japanese, which took advantage of European distraction to grab as much as it could in Asia. Van Der Linde's America, now under John Marston, became a British co-belligerent in hopes of expanding APU influence in Asia. 

It is now 1950, and an odd multi-sided cold war is under way. Germany lost after a long struggle, and was utterly smashed, along with Austria. The world is divided into the Orangeists led by the American Popular Union, the Vanguardists led by Russia, the Communists (leadership divided between China and the American Socialist councils, although the oceans between them have helped prevent a falling out so far), the Social Democracies (essentially a British Empire struggling to federalize and it's Little Buddies) and an odd collection of conservative and predominantly "third world" monarchies led by an Ottoman Empire rising on a tide of oil. Rebellion in Africa is only just getting started, and sees Communism competing with Orangeism, the localism and agrarianism of which gives it cachet among peasant groups and urban intellectuals who idealize peasants rather than factory workers. 

America remains divided, and an eventual rematch between Red and Orange Americas seems likely. After a long struggle to rebuild while fighting to purge "reactionary" elements, the United Socialist Councils is, in the view of the Supreme Council, finally running smoothly, and if many citizens present 20 years ago have fled or perished, at least those who remain are Better Americans. Meanwhile, the American Popular Union is drifting further from the ideals of its founder, perhaps inevitably in the face of external menaces and a dictatorial presidency-for-life. Cities are growing again, and if they are politically powerless, at least they don't have their finances dependent on the votes of country hicks. Industry is also expanding, although quite a bit of it is exported to puppets and allied states so it doesn't sully the American landscape. Blacks and native Americans, which gained land and political equality under the racially egalitarian Van Der Linde, are seeing their relative standing decline: the current Big Cheese, West Dickens, is not a racist per se, but he's a practical man who is fine with a little pandering to white racism if it strengthens his position and keeps the Olde Confederacy quiet, and those Indians are sitting on a load of resources they need to be more sharing with. 

The atomic bomb has not yet been developed, but several nations are racing towards its creation. Nobody thinks a third Great War is unlikely in the long run...

[1] Everyone in the American Popular Union has guns, but it's the Presidentially controlled military that has the big guns.


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Comments: 11

grisador [2015-08-15 20:02:09 +0000 UTC]

Awesome

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Kraut007 [2015-05-22 22:02:48 +0000 UTC]

Considering what I know about Reconstruction American and it various ethnical, regional and social conflicts this idea doesn´t seem that far-fetched.
It´s certainly an interesting and creative althistory concept.
Plus it´s in no way romanticized and shows the bleak realistic results. 

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Libra1010 [2015-05-16 18:45:59 +0000 UTC]

 Cheerful stuff!

 I cannot help but suspect, however, that if any America is doomed to self-destruct it's one put together by that lunatic Van Der Linde; for all Mr Marston's talk of him as having been once an admirable fellow, my gaming experience of him was as a Mad Dog badly wanting a bullet in the brain to put him out of his misery.

 Admittedly I probably belong to a minority when I say that I am more sympathetic to the G-Men than I am to those Outlaws - although not more sympathetic to them than I am to Mr Marston; for my money they should have left him on his farm and spared the tax-payer the expense of paying to replace the significant number of troopers gunned down in the course of finishing him.

Also JACK MARSTON BECAME AN AUTHOR! (and 'RED DEAD REDEMPTION' is his account of things, hence its manifest peculiarities); so far as I am concerned he bribed his way into a pardon with that haul of gold he dug out (let's face it, would JOHN of all men follow a Treasure Map?) and quite possibly through services-rendered in the course of his own peregrinations across the Border Region. 

 Ahem - that being said please allow me to compliment you upon another fine timeline! 

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Todyo1798 In reply to Libra1010 [2017-05-12 22:02:44 +0000 UTC]

That's actually a great theory.  If the RDR book is a popular piece of literature in the GTAverse (especially among criminal types, is it Franklin or Michael who has the copy?) then it could explain the incredibly strange mentalities towards violence people have in GTA.  Like that Tarantino theory that all his movies are in the same world (which they are) and that popular western culture was irreversibly changed when in 1945 Adolf Hitler is gunned down and the Nazi leadership is blown up by a squad of independent minded and sociopathic American special forces.  That entered American popular culture and leads to a world where gratuitous violence is more acceptable and common place, his being killed in a theatre may mean that more of these psychos appreciate popular culture too (Like A Virgin is a metaphor for big dicks etc etc.)

So Jack writes a biopic of his dead father, and John Marston enters American popular culture as a criminal, yes, but one with a code who did wrong for the right reasons, before being murdered by the incompetent, cruel, and overbearing government which so many Americans are shackled by today.  The same oppression felt by men like Michael, Franklin, Trevor, Niko, CJ and his Grave Street crew, and on and on and on.

Also as a point that may back it up, when papers refer to the civil war in Mexico they refer to American "mercenaries".  John's the only down there, unless you count Landon.  Meaning Jack could have known his father was down there and involved, but them embellished the accounts of American veterans of the war and made it just about his Pa.

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Libra1010 In reply to Todyo1798 [2017-05-13 13:50:58 +0000 UTC]

 Thank You very kindly for the compliment of reading through my theory; one admits that it may be a trifle optimistic, but then again one might argue that condemning Jack Marston to perpetual misery based on what we see of him as a rather disappointed Romantic of a Youth is a trifle excessive.

 Times do change, after all and even people sometimes change with them! 

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Leopold002 [2015-05-11 11:41:47 +0000 UTC]

Interesting as always.

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Todyo1798 [2015-05-11 07:32:54 +0000 UTC]

I like it, but it still seems off.  Like Dutch's "revolution" would have either changed the world far more than this or barely at all.

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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to Todyo1798 [2015-05-11 09:54:28 +0000 UTC]

Anarchist groups have been trying to change the world for years, this group while not exactly anarchist are lucky to have been so successful in comparison I reckon.

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Todyo1798 In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2015-05-11 11:11:59 +0000 UTC]

I guess Dutch's philosophy is partially anarchist, partially libertarian, definitely a good bit of Nietzsche in there too.  "All men are equal, the government should not use its power to oppress the weak, a strong man will take what he wants."

I have an idea that Tarantino moves all Rockstar games are set in the same universe.  So Red Dead, GTA, and Bully are all just different places/times in the same universe where criminals do have a moral code and governments are corrupt as shit.

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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to Todyo1798 [2015-05-11 11:33:45 +0000 UTC]

That sounds kind of intriguing. I have a similar senario in one of my Solar Strife AU's where even the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland plus the Commonwealth end corrupt corporatocracies like the settings US and it's the crimals and Telepaths who still have standards, moral codes and houor. The only places worse of are the Third Reich and India... cause India.

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Ouroboros-491 [2015-05-11 06:48:00 +0000 UTC]

I think it's safe to assume that the Western movie genre never really took of in this universe.

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