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The website deviantART, this website is trolling my account.Many time ago they deleted some of my works, I ask to the help desk the reasons to delete in every work because I din't broke any rule, and the guy in the help desk didn't tell me a reason, but of course because he can't.
After that they stop trolling my account for many time, but I started doing artworks about the manipulation of the rules here by the admins and the behavior like trolls and they started to delete my works again.
I made new works about that situation and they gave me a daily deviation trying to shut up my mouth, but I can't shut up about this situation. So they actually continue trolling my account and they delete my works, no matter if I broke the rules or not, like in my last work "chandelier" I didn't broke any rule in that work but they deleted that few minutes ago.
This website sucks, is not a website for art, is a website about manipulation, censorship and help to make more popular the friends of the admins. So they must change the name of this website. Something like deviantARTSUCKS, deviantCensorship, deviantManipulation, deviantMafia...
Now all the trolls used by the admins who follow me just to report my works and silence my opinions will report that journal
I don't broke any rule but I'm waiting to see how the deviantART admins delete my account to get my silence even If I didn't broke the rules. I know they are afraid to do that because i have many people who follow my works, so they just act like trolls to make me go out from that website.
Now report that, trolls
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As long as it has a mature filter, admins honestly have no business. As long as it isn't hurting anyone personally.
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Pero no tienen reparos en poner fotos realmente pornográficas !!!
No se entiende que hay en la cabeza de esta gente ...
Sos un genio, espero poder seguir disfrutando de tu trabajo.
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While I do agree there are some majorly fucked up double standards with Deviant Art's expectancy and what they want censored. But posting something like this just screams of someone whining and bitching. They're wrong for deleting your art but this seems like typical white knight bait be fully thankful your account is still here....others aren't so fortunate.
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Huh.. kinda useless posting this. Hope they remove it just to prove how much they couldn't care about your whining.
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Pornography or not, censorship sucks. Tell me where you're leaving to and I'll follow!
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DA gives too much power to whiners, retards, and imbeciles.
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This is overkill. Deviantart shouldn't be compared to the Nazi regime because of censoring that is sometimes called for.
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You're right.
China is a far better example.
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''This website sucks, is not a website for art, is a website about manipulation, censorship and help to make more popular the friends of the admins.''
THIS.
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and yet all the weird shit like inflation vore or a horse showing genitalia is ok... fuck
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Gore is OK.
Sex is isn't.
What.
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One thing is sex both artistic and raw for other way to say it and other thing is weird ass fetishes as the one I depicted where the sexiness of see a human or a furry being inflated as a balloon is not sexual, despised that many jerk off on that and described it as sexy is just straight weird and sometimes hilarious, and the attraction towards a horse that's multi color is not natural nor sexy, is straight disgusting in many levels
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what are you talking about?
Nobody mentioned fetishes...
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i did in my first comment saying how DA allow that shit.
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A dude making furry: Delete
A zillion person doing it too: Fav
Yes i know the feel XD
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This site is riddled with loopholes, I only post here when I'm bored.
The administrators are corrupt, biased, and I just don't enjoy being on DA like I used to. For the majority of my time on the Internet, I use Tumblr, I recommend you try it out!
By the way, your work is fantastic! You're truly an inspiration!
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i don't really care for hearing anyone say that this artwork is not allowed here on this site. i have seen some messed up shit on this site and it still remains on here and not an eye lash is bat at the fact that it may be inappropriate for this site. and i can agree that for some time now Deviant art is no longer the site it once was when i first joined. anything that is on Gunsmithcat's gallery is hardly inappropriate. from what i have seen of his gallery he is a highly talented artist who uses the power of human thought and art together in a marvelous way of telling a story to the viewer. that is a true artist and i see no flaw in that meaning here with his work. and if there is a level of harassment or Trolling (whatever you want to call it) that is simply because he is distracting from what DeviantArt wants you to be viewing. seriously though? how many of you here on dA feel rather underrated for the time and care and emotional effort you put towards you art? i know i have for a long time since being here. now a days on dA it is a rather difficult task to just get a couple hundred views and if any faves for something you may spend hours or even days creating. i feel that if Gunsmithcat is being trolled by Deviantart that it may truly be showing the true colours behind what Deviantart actually is. and that in the long run may be nothing more then a media site like tumblr (though tumblr is a media site for a reason) then a site dedicated to ART! my final say to all this is that his work is just as great and moving as any true artist i have seen that was breaking new ground way back in the early Sixties. dare i say?.... Robert Crumb..... Ralph Bakshi..... Frank Frazetta. artist who broke new ground and were chastised for doing so.
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Pretty sure DA already removed the ones that they considered inappropriate. So, his gallery wouldn't be a good example of the work he's talking about being deleted, since the work is no longer on the site.
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I think it's more about consistency. So, what you created (I have no idea what it is so forgive me) wasn't pornographic. But the picture of Superman having intercourse with the parasite absolutely is. Now, yes, there probably is a difference. However, they have to have guidelines that detail what makes something "pornographic". Judging by your gallery, I'm sure your piece was a very irreverent and witty, so I could understand you being upset. But if there were no rules then this place would have nothing BUT pornography and any serious artists would never post anything here.
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Yes it seems a bit hit and miss as to what gets deleted, I've seen some highly dubious, sexual and violent images that seem to be accepted. But I think the real problem and confusion stems from something as simple as the title of the website. Deviant Art makes one think of edginess, something different, pushing boundaries etc, when it couldn't be further from that concept. It's a contradiction.
It should be called, I don't know, Anime Art or Kitten Art, or something soft like that, (for the vast majority of images that is, not including the odd ones I've mentioned above). This place is the last place where real deviant artists would feel at home. Most of the stuff I've seen since I've been here isn't really art, more like student projects than anything else. I've only found half a dozen that I would consider to be actual artists.. I do think Gunsmithcat was one of them..
Yes there are loads of other sites that have a more relaxed attitude to nudity and all that, but they tend not to be artistically oriented. Just plain old porny sites.
Still, this site has its rules, even if they can be confusing in their enforcement...
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I've had the same issues for years. There are too many admins with differing opinions on the rules. I agree wth you 100 percent. theres brutal rape and torture porn all over the place on here yet your thought provoking "art" gets taken down?
complete bullshit.
im pretty sure theres an adult filter on the submission form for a reason?
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If you want complete artistic freedom, go post on your own website or platform. deviantart isn't just your place, you can't post whatever you want. Just like any society, you have to follow its rules and will suffer consequences if it is determined you broke them.
And just like in real life, when the latter happens, you accuse the society of tyranny because you can't get what you want.
The rules are quite easy to follow and are pretty obvious; a lot of people here do not want to see an "erect penis" or "vaginal spreading" on this website.
You're a good artist though, I think.
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obscenity
əbˈsɛnɪti/
noun
noun: obscenity
Any media that gives the Judge and erection.
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I get what you're saying, but don't compare anything that isn't mass genocide to the holocaust or Nazis. Not being able to post sexually explicit things is not comparable to Nazism or the holocaust.
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hitler youth not holocaust, it's a sort of forced comparison imo but it works and it gets the point across
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Had to fave this. It seems that more and more this site is becoming less and less artist friendly. A shame I spent money on a prem acct.
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Garde espoir. Ton style et ton art avec ou sans nu est juste super. Les corps, la couleur, l'humour, la critique. Tu gères vraiment dans tout ces domaines. Le site va surement évoluer (en bien ou en mal) l'important c'est que des gens aiment ton travail. Tu es un super artiste narratif. Bravo pour tes illustrations et bon courage pour les prochaines.
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Uh...the stuff you describe in the illustration here are, by the very textbook definition found in the dictionary, pornography. I even looked it up. You had to sign deviantart's terms of agreement to make an account here, and those terms say NO PORN, which you agreed to in order to post artwork. So...
Pornography /pôrˈnägrəfē/ noun
Printed or visual material containing the explicit description
or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic
rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.
So, why are you angry and surprised that they called it porn and deleted it? I don't know about your other works like "chandelier" (since I didn't get to see them), but the artwork you're using as an example in the illustration above is describing straight-out porn. So, I'm with the admins.
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It's just natural stuff. Pornography is created to cause arousal, and none of this really should cause sexual arousal (unless you're that kind of person). If you think more openly about it, these can really all be side-stepped and placed in non-erotic purposes. We have genitals, well done! You noticed! It doesn't mean we have to use them for only sexual purposes or what when your do anything with them they must be sexual. We do various things will all of our body parts.
Take the ear, for example. We use our ears to hear. But what if listening to things was "obscene" by society? Would scratching our ears mean we're trying to satisfy our hearing? Would the earwax mean that we were trying harder to listen? Would opening it and playing around with it and stretching it mean we were trying to listen? Not really.
Same with genitals which are portrait as "obscene". Would scratching or similar action mean we're trying to satisfy ourselves? Would fluids necessarily mean pleasure? Would stretching it and opening mean we were trying to masturbate? Probably not, as there are many non-sexual situations you could go about putting this into.
In the long run, it's just some immaturity.
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The argument isn't whether or not people think it should or should not be accepted. The argument is that DA is the one who defines what is and is not acceptable on their website since it is their property and the artwork displayed on it is something they are legally responsible for. It reflects them. Thus, they can limit what their website can and cannot be used for, and overall they are very lenient on what they allow as non-porn. Either way, they make you agree to their terms of use before you even make an account. We all had to agreed to the terms, and by doing so we agree to have read + will respect those wishes in exchange for using their property to display our artwork and make comments.
Unfortunately, the wording in Gunsmithcat's illustration above comes straight out of DA's terms of use on what not to post, implying he is actually instigating their attention in this post and mocking what they consider to be or not to be porn. He is surprised and angry that certain artworks are deleted and is practically making a statement above challenging DA to delete his account altogether--which you can see in the reports section that DA has already received notification of this deviation and labeled it non-issue. They don't care if he doesn't like them. That's his opinion, and he's welcome to it. They simply do not allow posting of materials that defy their terms of use. By posting them anyway, he is in breach of his contract with them and disrespecting their wishes; all the while he is openly demanding they utterly and completely respect him and do what he says. Therefore, DA has the full right to delete his work which doesn't follow their terms without thinking twice about it. (That's the funny thing about insulting people. It makes them less willing to help you or overlook things. Just like insulting the police for pulling you over when you're speeding. You don't get out of receiving a fine for yelling about how he's being a jerk--whether he is or not. Instead, because you yelled and threw a fit like a child, you get the fine anyway when he might have let you off with a warning. Sometimes you'll receive a larger fine, and he may watch you down the road for a ways to make sure you don't repeat your action. Sometimes, you may even get arrested. It doesn't pay to show your butt when you're in breach of the rules--or in general for that matter).
The point is, if Gunsmithcat doesn't want to follow DA's rules, why did he sign up in the first place? And why doesn't he just leave and take it someplace that allows the style of artwork he posts? In the end, that is exactly what the artist here decided to do--only he decided to go out in the most over-reactive and dramatic way he could imagine. Why? Because he's mad they didn't make a special exemption for him in their rules. That is very immature.
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Yes, but disregarding the fact this is someone else's website, generally, the work isn't pornography (which is what you're implying).
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I didn't imply anything. I simply started off by stating that the terminology he used in the image above (which I later found that he quoted from DA's rules in an attempt to instigate them) is directly reflective of the vocabulary used to define porn. Thus, it was not as though DA was making up their own definition in a prudish sort of way. On the contrary, they allow certain works otherwise labeled as porn so long as it meets certain criteria--which they make available for anyone to see and ask you to read before clicking "I agree" when establishing an account. This became the main focus of my point. Therefore, I've stated, by DA's terms, his deleted works were considered pornography by the guidelines set apart here: FAQ #565
And that is what counts. I have not said anything about my personal view either way because I was not talking about personal views to begin with (since neither my nor his opinion mattered in the discussion). I only gave a dictionary definition, discussed the terms on the website, and how he should respect what he agreed to or go someplace else. So, I haven't implied anything.
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If you insist, though I'm really not sure what implications you're referring to--or which work you're talking about (as I've been discussing several works with other people, so I've lost track if you're talking about the work above--which no one here has said was pornography--or if you're referring to the images that are no longer in his gallery, which you probably haven't seen unless you were following him before now because DA deleted them).
Either way, it doesn't take away from the main point I was making.
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Now look up the word ART! you are so wrong on this its sad! take a look at www.deviantart.com/photography… if must of thats not porn I don't know what is? but laws are laws, I don't know if said art has broken any law and I don't know the works that have been deleted but I will add we all have a responsibility to protect the innocent and vulnerable in our society! but if artist never broke laws where would we be? and if it's in the gutter, it's rubbish, if its a gallery it's art and if on the top shelf of the newsagents and says adults only, it's porn! and an't there settings for adult content?
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lol, Your argument doesn't hold water. None of those pictures are explicit nor display anything defined in the definition above. You're just a troll attempting to be sarcastic. Plus, you're missing the point. Artists can paint whatever they want. DA doesn't care, so long as it follows the terms of agreement you signed when you made an account. So, posting it even after agreeing to the terms is technically a breach of contract, so they maintain the 100% right to take your work down for not holding up YOUR end of the deal. That's the way it goes. If you want to paint porn, no one cares. Just take it to a site whose terms of use accept it. Here, they do not.
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sorry that you think this is a argument and I'm very sorry you just think I'm a troll! all I'm trying to say is art is subjective and line between art pornography blurred at best!
when you say "Your argument doesn't hold water. None of those pictures are explicit nor display anything defined in the definition above" are talking about the photos on/in www.deviantart.com/photography… that's your subjective view of it! but to me its a hole lot of porn! subjective!
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In which case, let me reiterate, we're not talking about perspectives and opinions here. We're talking about definitions (you know, as in to define something, make it not so "blurred") and the website's right to define what it does and does not want on IT'S OWN property, ie--Deviantart. This isn't about YOUR opinion. It's about DA's opinion. In the case of ambiguity, favor rests on DA's side, not yours since it is their property and you are a guest.
PS: The link you provided as subjective porn hosted images primarily like this (above). I ignored it the first time because I really didn't think it was even worth mentioning apart from telling you it didn't hold water. But since you posted the link twice to get a response, I'm going to say this: Seriously? Don't give into over-dramatics to try and win a point. It makes you look silly and makes your argument / perspective actually look less valid. This also applies to real life events, not just online.
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have you got Mature content Visible? maybe turn it on? then take a look!
and your right it's not about my opinion, it about art and yes DA have ever right to take down works of art from there site as set out there terms and etc, etc never said they didn't!
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...Then what are you arguing, exactly? Because the OP of this illustration is saying that DA doesn't have the right to say what is or is not allowed on their site--which is the whole point of this discussion.
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you say your with DA admin on this! DA has never said this work above is pornography or they would had to removed the image and as admin have post in the comment on this art work, so must they have seen this art work and would have to remove it straight away, as set out in the terms on DA, so you are the only one saying this is pornography!
And I'm sorry i didn't think!
for Artist, first it is Art then the content
but for you being a Fan of Art you see the content then decide if you think it's Art!
I know it's hard for you to understand not being an artist! but that how art is, like it or not!
and you didn't have Mature content turned on! LOL! that is funny! lol!
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...Uh...lol, okay. I didn't say that the work above is pornography at all. Not sure anyone did, so where did you get that? Everyone was discussing Gunsmithcat's other works, which were deleted (hints why he is angry). So, I'm thinking you haven't been reading any of my or the other people's comments on this deviation, but rather been skimming everything to see what you should write.
Lol, and nice use of overly dramatic exclamation points and verbal mud slinging there, kid. (Most) people up until now have not really done that because they were just arguing their point of view. You don't handle debates well, do you?
Note, the majority are not talking about what "defines art" (though a few are, but I don't believe I have said anything about it either way in any of my comments). The entire topic is mainly about terms and terminology matters--ie, deviantart's rules (which has at a point become "what is and is not considered porn" by other people's definition). Ultimately, regardless of what you or I say, the terms are what DA says they are, and what they say they will allow since this is their website. Their definition of porn is here:
FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?
(which, as you can see, Gunsmithcat has actually quoted them for the work above to try and draw their attention to it and instigate them. But, against his expectations, they have already considered his rant non-issue. They really don't care if he chooses to post his work here anymore or not).
So, yes. I say I'm with the admins on this.
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you said "but the artwork you're using as an example in the illustration above is describing straight-out porn. So, I'm with the admins" doesn't that make this art work pornography by the very textbook definition found in the dictionary? Printed or visual material containing the explicit description of sexual organs ! So by the standard, you set, describing straight-out porn would make this pornography! but your saying now this work of art isn't porn but the work you haven't seen is?
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Yes, the example I'm writing about is what the creepy children are TALKING about. NOT the illustration itself.
The quote:
"But the artwork you're using as an example in the illustration
above is DESCRIBING straight-out porn. So, I'm with the admins."
In other words, he's mocking what they define as porn, and I'm saying that if he is posting artwork containing the content that the children (aka, DA in his illustration) are describing in the illustration, then yes. That's straight-out porn and no wonder those other artworks were deleted. Not even sure how you can even misread that. Basic subject-verb agreement.
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he doesn't say anything about this work DESCRIBING or being about the work that was delete?he does not say this is an example of the work? he has not been told the reason why his art was taken down, as far as i can see on here?
its you make a link to his other work and word pornography. it's not DA saying they delete his work because it's pornography! so how can you be on the side of the admin, when you have no really idea why they have taken down some of his work?
and when you said on your first comment "Uh...the stuff you describe in the illustration here are, by the very textbook definition found in the dictionary, pornography", but your saying that doesn't make this work pornography but the art work you haven't seen is?
because you say this work is about his delete work, which makes the delete work pornography?
but the artist isn't saying this work is an example or is about his other work! only you are making that link!
and you didn't have Mature content Visible? did you? LOL come that's funny!
and like I said for Artist, first it is Art then the content,
but for you being more a Fan of Art you see the content then decide if you think it's Art! I know it's hard for you to understand but it still art for good or bad! but art is so subjective it easy to misrepresent something as art when it is not!
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Oh. My. Word. You either don't read any of the comments at all or have no understanding of them--including the comments made by other people supporting the artist. You sort of sound clueless. But, because I've definitely realized at this point that you're probably a minor and not quite yet an adult, I'm going to try and explain what everyone (even the artist) is talking about so you understand both sides. I mean, at this point, I'm not even arguing with you because you didn't put anything in your last comment that was actually an argument. It's just rambling--and not even good or focused rambling at that. Just a bunch of little kid mud-slinging.
Overview:
Gunsmithcat (the OP) is describing something in his artwork. The entire artwork is illustrating what he considers the admin's unfair view on pornography, and in the note under the artwork he talks about how he feels that the admins are tyrants.
The Artwork:
The OP made the illustration above. In it, you see his little Nazi children (meant to symbolize the admins) and words are coming out of their mouth. For instance, the first vampire-eyed child says "Hands in contact with genitalia is pornography. Report!" These words are DESCRIBING Deviantart's definition of pornography found here in their Frequently Asked Questions: FAQ #565 .
The Note Section:
Below the artwork is the note from the artist. There, after ranting and flaming a bit, he gets to his point, stating:
"This website sucks, is not a website for art, is a website about manipulation, censorship and help to make more popular the friends of the admins. So they must change the name of this website. Something like deviantARTSUCKS, deviantCensorship, deviantManipulation, deviantMafia...
At the end of his rant, he pretty much challenges and dares Deviantart to delete his account and believes that they are somehow afraid of him because he has lots of followers and needs to be appeased.
Gunsmithcat's Conclusion:
With all of this together, he is making clear to those who use Deviantart that he disapproves with DA's definition of pornography and thinks they are tyrants (as illustrated through the artwork), and furthermore are specifically stalking / trolling his artwork and waiting unjustly for him to slip up so they can delete his artwork and / or his account (as said through his note). He has also decided as a result to leave DA since they won't let him post his work (as said in his other more recent deviations and his journal).
His Followers' Conclusion:
His followers primarily agree about his views of what is or is not pornography because, of course, they are subscribed to him and admire his work overall. They feel that DA's admins are capping artists' creativity by setting rules and limits what they can and cannot post on the website. They feel that admins also show certain favoritism.
The Deviantart Admins Conclusion:
From DA's point of view, they say that they have defined what is and is not pornography in their FAQs. Again, referred to here: FAQ #565 They have even allowed certain types of pornography so long as it meets the guidelines they've laid out in the FAQs. They also have listed all their rules time and time again throughout the website and probably do not feel the need to explain every time they delete a piece of artwork. After all, you should know the rules already. The artist agreed to both have read and agreed to the rules by clicking "I accept" when creating a DA account. Therefore, a sort of "contract" was made between artist and DA, that the artist would follow said rules and that DA would allow them to use their website as an online portfolio to get feedback from people around the world. If Gunsmithcat does not follow those rules, they do not care at all if he leaves. Deviantart is their property. Their property, their rules.
My Point of View:
I agree with the admins. If his artwork, which was deleted, contained images that Gunsmithcat's creepy-Nazi children are talking about in the artwork, then (technically by his own admission through criticism of DA's definition of porn in the illustration), DA had the right to remove those works without explanation or anything because he broke the rules. It's as simple as that. If he said he agreed to the terms of use to create an account, he is bound by his word. If he breaks that agreement, DA has the right to delete his artwork or account upon repeat offenses. It's that simple. If you break a rule, there are consequences. Why should one person be exempt from this? This isn't about defining what is porn or what an artist can and cannot write about or paint. Ultimately, it's about what Gunsmithcat agreed to versus what he actually did.
Art may not have rules, but websites do. First and foremost, DA has the right to choose what they want to be displayed on their property. If Gunsmithcat doesn't like it, there are plenty of other websites that will allow his artwork. So, it makes no sense that he insists DA show work they do not approve of. Furthermore, DA isn't worried about if a few artists hate their rules and leave. There are many other excellent artists on this website who follow the rules and have huge followings.
Do you understand now what everyone is talking about and debating?
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yes i'm clueless me laptop was only show bit of your last comment? LOL sorry and still can't see it all I'm clueless sorry soon I can sort this laptop I will reply sorry if you see what I wrote as a reply lol sorry!
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That's fine. My laptop messes up on me every once in a while, too, so I understand.
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