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The website deviantART, this website is trolling my account.Many time ago they deleted some of my works, I ask to the help desk the reasons to delete in every work because I din't broke any rule, and the guy in the help desk didn't tell me a reason, but of course because he can't.
After that they stop trolling my account for many time, but I started doing artworks about the manipulation of the rules here by the admins and the behavior like trolls and they started to delete my works again.
I made new works about that situation and they gave me a daily deviation trying to shut up my mouth, but I can't shut up about this situation. So they actually continue trolling my account and they delete my works, no matter if I broke the rules or not, like in my last work "chandelier" I didn't broke any rule in that work but they deleted that few minutes ago.
This website sucks, is not a website for art, is a website about manipulation, censorship and help to make more popular the friends of the admins. So they must change the name of this website. Something like deviantARTSUCKS, deviantCensorship, deviantManipulation, deviantMafia...
Now all the trolls used by the admins who follow me just to report my works and silence my opinions will report that journal
I don't broke any rule but I'm waiting to see how the deviantART admins delete my account to get my silence even If I didn't broke the rules. I know they are afraid to do that because i have many people who follow my works, so they just act like trolls to make me go out from that website.
Now report that, trolls
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thank u for understanding! my laptop does not like DA? anyway's, I won't reply to all you have said right now if any, as I've had a drink! no hadn't seen all the comment, only really what we have talk about, but have looked at most comment now! and oh'my you've been getting lot of reply and you get me to, so thanks for talking to me for so long!
did you see Gunsmithcat comment on page ? lol 6,7 or 8? lol sorry! talks about the delete art work well one of them away?
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I don't mind. I enjoy a debate every so often. The only problem is that people get overly sensitive sometimes if someone disagrees with them, but really a debate is something healthy if people can act mature.
Back to the discussion, on the comments around page 6,7, and 8, Gunsmithcat claims that DA doesn't delete other works that are explicit--but that's because, as it turns out, DA doesn't forbid explicit work--only those that have certain imagery in that explicit work that they say in their rules are not allowed. He says they are not porn because (even though they show explicit imagery associated with and that identify them as porn) they have a political message to them. Yet, I'm certain he full well knows it's not the political theme of his art that DA objects to. When the admins gave him "daily deviations," I doubt it was to "appease" him as he claims, but rather it was likely to encourage him and show him after deleting his work that they still thought he was a good artist even if they could not allow the other (which broke the guidelines) to remain on their website.
So, as an artist who agreed to deviantart's terms of use before even posting his first work, and knowing from their rules what they are and are not comfortable with, he had three choices:
1. He could have made the same illustration and expressed the same idea in a similar way, yet still following the guidelines shown here --since as an artist he should know that there are always more than one way to illustrate what he considers a powerful message.
2. If he did not want to do #1 above, then he could have posted artwork here that met the rules and additionally could have used a different site to host his images that DA considers inappropriate. Thus, he could have provided a profile link on his deviantID page or journal that led to his online portfolio. This is something that DA allows.
3. He could have disagreed to the terms of the use when starting the account (which would have been the honest thing to do if he didn't have any intention of following those rules to begin with) and went to a different website altogether instead of deviantart.
He did not do any of these three, but rather posted the artwork anyway, ranted about the admins, and practically attacked the entire DA community (who respects those terms of use) by stating DA didn't allow, essentially, what he considers "REAL" artists with vision. Well, that's an insult to the amazing artists who do follow the terms of use on this site. Note, some of these artists on DA are actually professional artists and/or authors who have published books or done book covers, made games for pro companies, are former Disney animators (like Brian Kesinger--who is an amazing artist), who sculpt or craft masterpieces, and more. They clearly felt that the rules allowed them to freely express themselves.
While Gunsmithcat may feel frustrated, it comes down to the fact that he is no more or less exempt from the rules than anyone else.
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As do I! Helps to try and not be overly sensitive, I did like to think I was good at seeing other views on things? But looking at my first comment to you, it wasn't the best start to a debate! but on this I'm not sure what's really happening or happened here with DA and Gunsmithcat, I think I get what’s happened But there could always be a wild card?
Oh! and yes you could be right to! And I get he click the yes box to the terms, But so did and not one word of the terms, did I read! As would most I feel!(but someone did recommended the site to me!) So I can see why someone could get this wrong the first time! Like I may of? Maybe? And yes 1, 2 or 3 would have been the best way to go!
But when I look at the terms of service and Etiquette Policy there not very coherent to me! So if I tell you what I think happened you may see why I don't think you've hit the nail right on the head on this?
When I first commented on what you said. I'd not looked at much of Gunsmithcat stuff apart from The I-Phonekkake work(which is really good) and the above and seen some of his other work but never really looked at it.
this is what I took it to be saying to me, as best as i can make out! its all about the first deleted work!
there's somethings I'm not 100% on, what DA do when they do delete something, what they say, I think nothing?
Artist does artwork,
DA deleted artwork,
Artist ask DA 'why',
DA 'can't tell you, you should know, it set out in the Terms of Service?'
Artist looks at rules can't see any reason for the work to be delete?
Is he right no! Why!
When I looked at the Terms of Service or DA get out of jail free card and it's all on you!
Conduct
You agree not to use the Service:
To upload, post, or otherwise transmit any material that is obscene, offensive, blasphemous, pornographic, unlawful, threatening, menacing, abusive, harmful, an invasion of privacy or publicity rights, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, illegal or otherwise objectionable
objectionable? really! definition of objectionable has a very broad meaning to me! Don’t think there would be much to up loading if everyone took this literally! Do I think DA are asking us to do that no!
But I do see how someone could twist it, if there the standards for judging complains are the some?
Do I think the Terms of Service are fair and reasonable for a website? Yes! Do I think there fair and reasonable for an Art website No! Why because it’s Art and DA understands that! You just have to look on DA to see that!
Artist asks again,
DA "can tell you!"
Plus a badly time troll(I hope?) that he feels has something to do with DA rightly or wrongly Well that's going to be like a red rag to a bull for an artist especially if he can see what his done wrong!
So Gunsmithcat rightly or wrongly tests and tries to tell people what he feels DA have done/doing to him with his Art! Which leads to some of the work being delete, making him feel there unfairly focusing on him. Is he right well yes, but not for the reason he thinks? for me its about the volume of traffic (ie whats being uploaded & where) and why people use DA? And that’s the BOMB that DA doesn’t see! And if this keeps going I think we all could be looking for some where to up load and view ART and DA staff will be looking for jobs! Why do I say this because of what I've seen on the DA site! And like you said about DA give him daily deviations not something you do if you want him gone. I think he knows where the limits are with DA now(going by his last work The I-Phonekkake) but he can't let go of what he see as admin trolls! Which is making the bomb tick?
Your really not going to like this bit, should DA treat him differently yes which they are, just look in his gallery
do I think he should be exempt from the rules no! But DA does need to find a better why of working with artist like Gunsmithcat? Who are trying to push boundaries and ask the hard questions about today society, etc! (I hope that’s what his about!) What does DA do? Well if DA wants to know what to do? Send cash to NoBoDY @ LOL I need paint and here we are now!
So who's right, who's wrong? All a bit Crimson Tide for me till I see the first delete artwork! and still think you was wrong to call his work porn and not even give it the time of day, that it could have some artistic merit!
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Sorry for the late reply. I'll reply to this sometime this weekend when I return home. Right now I'm on the road.
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LOL you were lucky! I was about to lose the grudging respect I’d gained for you and your shaky head avatar! Should say I am new to DA so didn’t know what all the bits and bobs are? Like badges and Llamas and the star next to names, still don’t get the llamas! And I know this silly and stupid but never know this site was age restricted to over 18! Still not sure I believe it! Yes I know clueless, I think its because I’m so uses to Fb and yes clueless! But I was just put my details in and nice DA sort the rest and away I go to be Arty and that’s one of the thing that aren’t going to help DA, NO, not my Art the way DA promote and publicize them selves!
So anyway I’ve been taking a lot closer look at all this, Gunsmithcat, DA and a bit of a look at US law! How I’m seeing things know?
About Gunsmithcat? Hmm? Still not sure what his about? But some of his work asks questions that need to be addressed. So I think his hearts in right place. And his right there’s a lot of image that get on to DA that shouldn’t be.
But the way DA set up, someone don’t report it, they don’t see it! As far as I can see? And I can't totally discount the admin troll thing just because of the way DA set up? But would like think there just doing there job the best they can, which can’t be fun at time!
But as I see it most people are here for the arty type stuff and anyone who been on here 5 minutes knows only the brave go into the photography part of DA with there mature content visible! (You didn’t did you? lol!) And so I think more people are likely to view his work and be offended by it, just because of why they are here to start with and then report it as so! And I just don’t think the people viewing work in the photography part DA are that easy to offend or maybe it’s just the way people search on DA for Art his is more likely to be seen, hope it’s like that!
But as for Gunsmithcat going anywhere, where would he go where they would even try and look at his work as Art, not Fb for a start, would another Art based website want to let him show all of his work? Unlikely I feel and don’t think he shows in any Gallery’s? Which isn’t a good sign? But I’m not sure on that? And as this all start back in 2012(as best as I can make out?) and he is still giving DA money (as best as I can tell?), which is the first thing I’d stop doing and most people would I think! so I don't think his going to be leaving DA anytime soon! Which I’m sure he knows. But DA do need to look at a better way of working with Artist like Gunsmithcat, because someone look at DA from the outside could take a very dim view about DA and what’s going on in there site! Let alone an American law! Really don’t see how DA, can’t see how bad this could get for them! Or maybe that’s why they haven’t just banned him? Because that don’t solve the problem! And DA do need to find away to sort this?
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Even though Gunsmithcat has a premium membership, he probably purchased one for a year. He has 4 months left on his membership and then it will expire if he or someone else doesn't renew it. However, he has already said that he is leaving deviantart before then (which is good if he doesn't want to follow the terms of use). I think DA tried to work with him as best as they could within reason, but Gunsmithcat was not exactly being "reasonable." He knew what their terms were and decided to break those terms out of his own volition--whether to make a political point or not. On top of that, he constantly challenged them to do something about it and became more and more verbally aggressive, drawing attention to admins in the first place (as well as many other artists who follow DA's guidelines and who likely reported him). I think the DA admins did everything they could to work with him, even promoting some of his thoughtful works for a daily deviation to keep encouraging him to post his work, just so long as it met the guidelines. But, he began mocking them for this, too.
There are other websites that will host his work--as his followers have often pointed out to him. DA should not be forced to accept work they don't approve of if they don't want to. If Gunsmithcat and everyone who painted mature content (though some mature content is actually allowed on the DA) decided to leave DA in retaliation of this, it still would not affect DA because there are thousands upon thousands of brilliant artists who follow the guidelines and don't have a problem with them.
Like these: Link , Link , Link , Link , Link , Link , Link , Link (and these are only a few works. I just threw the first few I found there for time's sake).
Gunsmithcat inadvertently insults great artists on this website by calling DA a site only for trolls and censure.
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His not really taking the moral high ground on this! Or even tried to help find a solution? Like a submissions service? Which Da would probable make money on and could give some Arty types a job? If a work had Entered Through Submission Process on it, people my not hit the report as it would have been passed by Da to start with? or a section for Political and Social Issue, Etc... So people can’t come a cross the work like his so easily and be offended?
If I’m right about what the first image to be taken down is? I think know what’s got him so upset, is the first image to be take down on here is still on Fb I think? lol! And if it is that image? Well the image would break Da rules! Called game over! If it is that work I can see why his not saying much about it? It’s covered in come lol! But what’s really funny to me is how its still on Fb! Odd how he is happy to edit his work to put it on Fb?
And Da do need to do a better job of policing there site as I see it, big problems with underage users if the self-portrait part of photography is to go by ( but I’m not much of a judge of age!) and what do some people think this sites about? I mean really, I’ll never be the same after seeing ‘wood jack time 2’ don’t look for it!
That hole photography/people is just wild and Da should be doing more and really don’t like that you have to click on a image to report it? I see it once and didn’t like it so then you have to see it bigger! Noooooo! Still think his not going anywhere but time will tell on that?
Will take more of a look at the links you posted! And sorry about the dig at you, about not being any Artist! I don’t know who or what your about? Something to do with writing going by the way you bang on about words! Joke! But no idea really! And if you are some kick ass Arty type I is not going to be happy with you and thanks for helping me understand what been happening on this! Big up yourself!
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You should definitely check out the links. They are great artists right here on DA.
I always enjoy looking through their galleries.
There is also this guy who use to work as a Disney animator: Brian Kesinger
So, there are some pretty famous artists on DA, too. It's always fun to see who
you will find.
It's alright about the Artist comment. It was a pleasure speaking with you.
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First I would have to ask which dictionary...
The word deviant is also in the title of the site, deviant, delinquent, liberated counter-culture en masse. Their views on the separation between porn and art should not be so disgustingly normative. However, having sold their souls to car companies, it was just a matter of time before some before some judicial Lewis-esque interpretation of "what is art" should come about.
There is nothing more necessary then the nourishment of baser Imagination. Even Saints were wise enough to know that.
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The word "deviant" in deviantart is just a name, dude. That doesn't mean you can post things that are considered illegal in many countries. The company still has legal obligations and terms of use.
Plus, the definition of pornography was from the Google dictionary--which even gives the word's origins in Greek, when it first appeared, etc. But if you prefer a definition from the most popular dictionary known to the English language, the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it as:
por·nog·ra·phy noun \-fē\
: movies, pictures, magazines, etc., that show or describe naked people or sex in a very open and direct way in order to cause sexual excitement
The stuff he describes STILL falls under this. You can't just make things up because you want to have your way. That's the same as a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum. Ultimately, regardless of what you or anyone else says, deviantart still has terms of use for usage of THEIR website. If you don't follow their terms of use, your art will be deleted. If you continue to break the rules, then your account will be deactivated. Not respecting their terms but expecting them to respect you in return is what's asinine. It's their property, and if you don't like their rules, then take your artwork to places that have terms you actually agree with. It's that simple.
Plus, you're rambling about nonsensical things like Lewis-esque interpretations and saints and stuff. Do you even hear yourself, man? I mean, you really are just throwing things out there because you want your way.
Edit: For some reason, this comment posted twice instead of just once. So, I hid the duplicate post below.
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i'm gonna have to agree with you. gunsmith is sort of claiming dA to be this evil corrupt site when all they really ask for is that you dont post porn. its not a /bad/ rule either. there are lots of minors on this site.
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I agree. It's amazing that this is even a conversation as it seems so obvious. DA is pretty lenient overall, but they basically ask you 1) don't steal and 2) don't post porn. It shouldn't be that hard of a concept, but people get angry and try to redefine words or look for reasons why they should be exempt. Like, for example, those people who say that negative views of porn are only looked down upon by certain groups, therefore, they shouldn't have to essentially respect DA's terms of use. That, to be polite, is idiotic and shows a complete lack of respect for DA--from who they demand complete and total respect, ironically.
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Lol, okay, that was an uneducated and childish response. Troll alert.
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I don't like to talk with troll, so bye.
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--Said the troll who answered a comment made several months ago in a conversation that had nothing to do with them--and (mind you) only to insult someone they didn't know and then get mad when they didn't care. lol. You act like a little kid.
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What is he being your friend have to do with anything? And ~ooooh~ you blocked me. I care so much (sarcasm). You were the one who was talking to me, so, grow up.
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Gunsmithcat is my friend. The troll is you. Blocked.
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Lol Not sure where to start.
A name is a representation, assuming that art.com was taken. They specifically chose the word deviant, (
departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.) A word which is synonymous (as a noun) with nonconformist.
A name is the base perception of a company, perception is reality (Associates in Business admin, cert in Ethics in Business, and business law)
The legal, legal definitions of porn fall under obscenity laws, which depict that in order to be porn it must be sexual behavior that are erotic and lewd, and specifically intended for the sole purpose of arousing sexual interest. As the famous Justice, Potter Stewart said in Jacobellis V Ohio " I'll know it when I see it." (Com Law, BA minor in journalism)
As for the nonsensical ramblings... The modern Judeo-Christian morality (especially in pertaining to obscenity) still apparent within out justice system, in the case of art v porn, can be seen most clearly in C.S Lewis' " A Pilgrims Regress." In which the totality of its work can be summed up in a few statements, “You lie. You don’t know the difference between what nature has meant for nourishment, and what it meant for garbage.”
Its summed up really nicely by Ravi Zacharias.
As for the Saints of which I was referring to, both Aquinas and Augistine knew that it was important that the baser instincts of man were important and should be taken care of, in fact it was Aquinas who said that prostitution was a necessary evil. ( Degree in Philosophy & Religion, Member of the Society for the Philosophy of Sex and Love,)
It is not about getting my way, it is about lifting the veil of ignorance ( so I guess my shadows way) and if you ever see me post it is with purpose. Unless I need to learn something, I usually know what I am talking about. Whether it be a third wave pro-sex feminist defense of pornography, or bio-medical ethics, I have at some point or another touched on the subject.
Good Day
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Yeah, like a little kid throwing a tantrum. There is no reasoning with those who have their fingers in their ears and are reaching for strings to make weird and irrelevant arguments that have little to due with the main point. So, the simple of it that even a child can understand: Their website. Their rules. Don't like it? Leave. Period. That's the way the real world works, kid.
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Lol its kinda funny to be called a Kid by a Disney Princess, but thems the breaks I suppose.
I will admit though, that there is some truth to your words. You are right, it is their website, and when they begin to alienate actual artists... well a king of nothing is still a king I suppose.
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Oh, my avatar. lol, I didn't understand at first. I was thinking "... ...Disney Princess?"
Besides, I don't think DA is too worried about it. They still have a whole lot of awesome artists who respect their terms. Like these guys, who it would be an insult to say are not actual artists. Yeah, they're pretty awesome:
So, I'm thinking DA has nothing to worry about.
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realitysquared.deviantart.com/…
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Uh...and your point is what exactly?
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They don't really follow their own rules if by what you're saying is against them.
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I consider it porn, but they state that this art has already been reported, reviewed, and does not technically meet their current definition found here:
FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?
I don't agree with it, since I consider it porn. But (in just the same way with Gunsmithcat has to deal with the fact that it is Deviantart and not us who determine what is and is not porn), so do I. As I've said before, it's their website, their rules. But in his case, he's literally quoting what Deviantart said in their rules and calling it bogus, thereby sounding as if he's going out of his way to attack the terms he agreed to before even starting an account.
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I really have no idea how you can misinterprete this one sentence about pornography so hard like you just did. None of his works shows explicit sexual content that is ment to cause sexual excitement to the viewer. In fact there are just two images in his gallery showing any signs of sexual intercouse in the first place. And even those to images are censored by the artist himself. The act itself is never shown. I think the definiton by Oxford is a lot clearer: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement." - www.oxforddictionaries.com/def…
None of these pictures are created to stimulate sexual excitement. You failed to get them. YOU. Not the artist. While i think poetOflore's comment is useless in this discussion, you are no right. And the word "deviant" in "deviantart" is not just a word. If so why isn't it called "JustARandomWordArt". Everything happening in desing happens for a reason. This is not "UsualArt" or "EverydayArt", this is "deviantart". Think twice before claiming such nonsense.
Maybe you're just some ultracatholic guy who cannot stand the view of a naked breast (Just a metaphor to clarify it for you) but your view about pornography is very twisted and hlaf of our commercials and ads would fall under your "definition" of pornography.
P.S. To the artist: Great work, don't let some mods our admins get in conflict with your art. If they don't like it, you'll find another way to publish your works. Self made webistes aren't expensive or hard to manage and platforms like reddit will welcome you.
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Um, no one misinterpreted it. I'm not talking about his gallery at all, if you read the comment. I'm talking about what he mentioned in the illustration above. Things like (using his own words...) "vaginal and anal spreading" and "erected penis" and "sexual body fluids" and "hands in contact with genitalia." Uh, and that alone fits the definition perfectly.
So... Not sure what you're ranting about...
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So following your "logic" you just posted pornography as well, didn't you? A erecred penis isn't strictly pornography, body fluids are not strictly pornogrpahy, hands in contact with genitalia are not strictly pornography or would you say that someone covering his genitalia with his hands is pornography? And if you are not talking about this gallery, why are you talking at all. OP claims deviantart admins would delete his art because it is "pornography" and now OP tries to challenge them. They cannot ban this piece of work, but dayyum i think they really want to.
So i just don't get the point why you are posting these comments. What do you want to achieve?
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Yep. I did. And if the DA admins deem that my quoting the text from the painting above is inappropriate and delete my comment, I won't mind. Point is, why are YOU commenting to ME? I wasn't talking to you, but rather giving feedback to the OP, who was speaking to everyone on DA. You joined in MY comment out of your own choice, not knowing who I was and fully knowing I wasn't speaking to nor had any idea who you were. So, what are YOU hoping to achieve by joining in someone else's conversation to attack them? Especially when your point of view is in favor of breaking the rules. Your ranting won't make DA change it's terms. It won't make me or any of those who actually respect the terms of use on the website change their mind about our stand. So, really, I don't get the point of why YOU are posting these comments.
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Hating to answer you again, but just felt the need to show you the mind of the deviantart admins who dont seem to give a fuck about exlpicit pornography: nudetaylor.deviantart.com/art/…
This picture could easily be something from any porn site, but this is a proper deviation according to the admins.
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It's okay. I don't mind. : )
The thing is, I've discovered over the period of this conversation, that DA actually
allows this--so long as it follows these guidelines:
FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?
Which means that the images Gunsmithcat showed came into conflict with this and
were deleted. Even more, he knew this--which is why he posted the illustration above
with the Nazi admin, quoting exactly what the FAQ says above. This leads me to believe
that he most likely was aware of this even before he submitted the work which was deleted.
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So they really go with: This tiny bit of air between her mouth and his penis (see image before) are enough to not classify as porn? That sounds dumb IMO.
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Yeah, that is pretty dumb, I agree. Apparently that has been reported and seen as okay--which is a little double sided on the admins part, I must admit. However, it doesn't really go in Gunsmithcat's favor. Either way, he's on the wrong side of the rules regardless of the argument he makes. In this instance, the argument seems to shift from "Gunsmithcat's right to post what he wants" to rather "the admins should be deleting more works instead of playing favorites." If that's the case, Gunsmithcat's not making the proper point by posting things he knows will get deleted. I definitely agree that the admins should stop playing favorites and have a way to appeal when 1 admin finds a work to be okay when it is in clear violation of the rules (since they won't let you report it twice if 1 admin says its okay).
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You don't get it. I don't know why or how. Not every sexual related content is pron, not even explicit sexual content. The thing is the sole purpose of pornography is to arouse to viewer and let him/her feel sexual excitement. And now, please, tell me where the artist did that.
Why I'm answering you? You claim for unnecessary censorship to be good. Whatever reasons the admins had, from my point of view, are wrong as they censor art. And that's something that should never happen, especially not in a place like this where jiggling boobs and explict BDSM fantasies are considered art (and some of this isn't art, seriously).
So to clarify it: My point of view isn't in favor of breaking the rules. My point of view is that when you state a rule, you have to keep it. And im pretty damn sure, there isn't a rule like: Hey, we don't like you art so we just deleted it, because fuck you.
You calim to "respect" the rules, but you don't respect the artist, nor his art, nor art itself, if you still don't know where real pornography begins. I know this can be hard, yet it's pretty easy to notice none of the artist works can be considered pornography.
And please, before you answer now, think. Turn your brain on before thinking and then think. In a world we claim to be free, are simple images relating to sexual actions really pornography. As i said, think. If you fail to think properly, you will fail to answer this question.
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*sigh* I'm sad to say that you don't get it because it's clear that you forgot what the original point of the post was in some effort to discuss what you do or do not consider to be porn--which has little to nothing to do with the actual rights of an artist.
First, you don't even consider that you've only heard Gunsmithcat's side of the story--which you can tell is one sided because it's flaming, uses harsh words, and ends with a "come and get me, DA!" styled message. Already, it can be discredited that he was thinking in a reasonable and fair manner when making any presumptions of what is or is not fair concerning DA's point of view. Given the apparent parallel of him not being able to express his sexual art on a single website (whether he considered it porn or not) to that of being persecuted by Nazi-like characters (a people who attempted to eradicate an entire people just for being born) is also considerably propagandized and overly dramatic.
Second, the OP's original comment was about what he considers porn and essentially is stating that DA has no right to target him and delete his works. The strange thing is that his, your, and everyone else's biggest argument in his favor is "well, someone else did--" or "someone else is--" or "well, I should be allowed to express myself anyway! Screw DA!" more than it is an observation of whether or not it actually did breach their terms. I mean, seriously, as I've stated before, why are you trying to post artwork on a website that's terms disagree with your art and constantly deletes it? Go elsewhere.
Third, you speak of "a world we claim to be free." First, I find that somewhat amusing coming from someone who discredits himself at the end of his message by practically stating that someone who does not agree with him isn't using their brain, aka, isn't worthy of speaking. Do you even know what freedom is? It does not mean that you do whatever you want. That is a perversion of people's understanding of the word. There is no such thing as the type of freedom you suggest, because it always victimizes someone. You claim DA isn't following their own "rules." But, they claim that the rule broken was porn. He denies it, but they determine what porn is and is not in their domain. If DA is not allowed to state what they consider acceptable on their own website, then they are not "free". They are subject to the artist, and then only the artist could say what can and cannot be posted. This could open DA up to possible legal issues that can destroy them (which in turn victimizes everyone on DA. Ask Youtube about the ongoing legal issues they faced with copyright and porn despite precautionary measures). Regarding freedom as a society, if people truly are free to do whatever they want, there is anarchy and many people are put in danger. Then, they are no longer free to live their lives the way they want and they are victimized. Regarding an artist, freedom may be the ability to paint whatever you want and express your ideas without being thrown into prison or put to physical harm for it (though, in some countries, they can be executed if they paint the wrong thing. In countries like Kazakhstan, you can go to jail just for joking about the president because it is considered disrespectful). However, not getting to post a particular painting you want on one website is not a violation of your "freedom."
If you lived in a country where people were TRULY NOT free, you would understand how foolish arguing about freedom over what is and is not porn on a single, particular art website is a foolish and arrogant waste of time.
If you really hate DA, stop using their services. Why would you want to use a website that angers you so much anyway? That's the sort of thing an internet troll does.
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You are really a funny guy, you know that. You claim that i think, everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Never said that, never ment that. Yet you do it. And to clarify something once again for you. Your first posts on the threadd were definitions of pornography. Now you feel some kind of butthurt because i discuss with you the definition of pornography. And yes, you failed your task to use your brain and think what i was saying and implying miserably. And hell no freedom doesn't mean anarchy because that's a concept that can never work because oh the human nature and it's hunger for power so that any form of anarchy would only lead into dictatorships.
I live in a county that was unfree many times before and I still have to face my country's infamous past whenever i say someone that I'm German. As I hate this past and everything it stands for I also hate censorships, which happens way to often here in Germany. They claim to protect the youth, but there's nobody to proof this and stilll I have no idea how a minor can be protected by banning a work, that is only accessible to adults.
So yea whenever I see or hear about censorship I'm against it. And as I like free minds I think art has to free. I understand da is not a German portal and it's art is not protected by our laws (most probably U.S. laws and neither do I know these laws nor do I give a flying fuck about them) but from all knowledge I have about the works of the artist I can say he did not publish anything pornographic and banning his art seems wrong to me.
And now, before answering me, use your brain. How did you fail to think? How could you get me that wrong?
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First off, I'm a girl not a guy. Second, I'm not saying anything except that he has to follow the rules like everyone else--which you're apparently saying he shouldn't unless those rules meet everyone's approval (but then they wouldn't be rules, now would they?). Third, I defined porn because he implies it is not porn and thus he should be allowed--when the very definition of porn doesn't even support what he says. Fourth, I can't believe I'm talking to someone who thinks "butthurt" is a word and uses it in their vocabulary. Last, then, based on what you said, you should understand how stupid it is to waist your time arguing about what should and should not be allowed on someone else's site. That's like me, a guest, coming into your house and telling you that you have to have things you don't like in your house, and then forcing you to put those things there whether you like it or not. This website is DA's "house," so to speak, and you are the guest.
Lol. You just admitted that you could care less about DA's rules and legal obligations (regardless of where DA is based), aka, you don't care about the terms of use and lied to activate your account. And, guess what, they aren't banning you from creating pornographic works. They simply say "hey, take it somewhere else. We don't want it here."
Oh, And you just quoted yourself in the last line for implied dramatic effect. I'm starting to get the feeling you might actually be a teenager, which may imply you can't argue your side without taking it so personally and getting overly hostile (as your language up until now has already suggested). Are you really getting this worked up because someone says "that's the rules of the DA"? Seriously?
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For the last time what you deny to realize: The artist has never broken a single rule as he did not post any pornographic material as far as I can see. If you define pornography in a way that these artworks would fall into this definition, then your definition is wrong. Therefore, as I assume the deleted artworks will show the same style and usage of naked bodies, it is wrong for an deviantart administrator to delelte these artworks since no rule was broken.
I'm starting to think you are a politician as you say a hell lotta stuff but 90% of it is useless unproven crap only suitable to be immediately flushed down.
Talking about style: First, second, third, fourth, last - please no, try and finally fifth or something in this way, this last hurts my eyes.
It's pretty much a rule of the internet to assume everyone is male until proven else, so don't dramatize the fact you've been mistaken for a guy.
I have nothing more to add, That's the basic meaning of everything I said to you.
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(lol, I did write fifth originally, but since I started with "first," there must be a "last". But, now you're the one dramatizing a bit. So, we're even.)
As for the rest, "he did not post any pornographic material as far as I can see." That's because those illustrations he mentions aren't in his gallery anymore. He says that himself. They have been deleted. That's why he is frustrated with DA, and that's why this artwork illustrates his mocking their criteria of porn and the reporting / deleting of it, using the vampire-eyed Nazi children to represent DA.
The artworks that currently remain in his gallery are not the ones that DA disapproved of (thus, the reason why they remain). So, it's hard to defend him without seeing the original images, especially when he goes out of his way to pretty much attack DA's guidelines in this illustration. I mean, look at it. He practically copy and pasted the text in his illustration from here: FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?
So, when you see this and see him going out of his way to challenge the admins to delete him, he tends to become less empathetic. The fact that he quotes the rules notes that he very likely knew the reason those works were deleted all along, or at least had a pretty good idea. He just didn't agree with it.
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You are so right! even if English is not your mother thong what you are saying is very clear! I got some of my work deleted too.
And I found it quite saddening, since if I browse devianart I can find some good pornographic piture like it's obviously not art just somebody who wants to show themselves or whatever...
And I thought drawing penises or vagina didn't matter as long as you flagged it, but well it seems that if it's female anatomy close up it's fine but the second you put a penis or cum in the picture it is deleted.
This is quite annoying because why does the people who make pornographic pictures about vaginas should be allowed and not me with my penis drawing?
anyway I support your point entirely and it just comes to that I don't feel like posting my art here, so you are just drawn to put it on some other sites, sad for deviantart but true...
xx
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So... You seriously wonder why your work is banned?
Well, I don't...
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I'm glad someone took the time to address this topic properly, hell it was about time! please keep on being brave and sharing your wonderful work with no limits ;*
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What? They deleted "chandelier"? That makes no sense.
Maybe there is a law coming against kids touching their faces.
I hope you will keep posting anyway, as I really enjoy your style and the fact that you are not afraid to tackle 'taboos' in your art.
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thanks!
yes, maybe is a new rule here 
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I think that they should do a daily deviation on your troll artwork that I commented on a short while ago! It gets to the point what is going on... It is sad to see you go none the less. If they are commenting about your "pornography" why the F#$% are they targeting you? There are a lot of other DA images that are WAY, WAY, WAY... WAY more explicit and degrading to women, men and "others" than to what you put forth to the community. Your artwork is a comic for F#$%'s sake! Hand drawn and in comic/caricature form. How is a caricature NOT art? In any sense? LOOK at it... IT IS ART!!! I know some of the subjects that you touch are to a point of view to what most people do not want to touch with a 10 foot pole. But, you do and give awareness to the masses at what is going on. That is "Freedom of Speech" and luckily the majority of us live in countries/culture that allow for such a privilege including the ADMIN of Deviant Art?!!!? If I remember correctly everyone has a right to say what they want. Yes, you may step on some toes. Yes, you may offend some people. "But!!!" and I repeat "BUT!!!" everyone has a point of view. If you do things like this for "Caricature" artwork what the F#$% are we all doing here in this NAZI-Fascist State? Are we living in NORTH KOREA? Start getting rid of some of the "porn" that is way more degrading to women, men and "others" than that of a caricature. I must admit the "porn" that these people are complaining about is so much softer than that of late night television. The news itself is harsher than what GUNSMITHCAT is presenting to us. To all you people who commit acts of murder on such art work. Start with the stuff farther down the spectrum of "porn" as you call it before you start impinging on this expression of "reality artwork" that is put forth beneath your nose. Absorb and digest the message that he is really putting forth to you in his drawings and experience the reality called life and Freedom of Speech that was so blessedly given to us by where we were born. Step back an take a deep breath and THINK to what you are saying before you actually say it. I totally agree with GUNSMITHCAT... just remember that "Freedom of Speech" is a blessing not a noose before you go forth and step on other peoples toes for your own viewpoint.
I could go on and on with this as I am inflamed with a passion for amazing art work that also makes a point that is refreshing. To come around to DA and hear viewpoints of those in a NAZI-Fascist State, North Korea or China makes me sick. (Note: I am making these comments to political situations and not the people or cultures themselves.)
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"You are not paranoid if they really are out to get you" is my favorite line from "My Living Doll" an old TV sitcom. Well Gunsmithcat, they really are out to get you. About 10AM EST Fourteenthstar "Director of Community Operations here at deviantART" contacted me about my previous comment on this piece of art. My comment about underage nudes hit her Mamma-Nazi button apparently and now, six years later, she is going to take action about several fellow photographer's work. Work that is legal in the US, bye the bye. Sheesh! What a (swearword of choice) world in which we live.
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I don't agree about those rules, but the worst is that they broke their own rules to troll people here, not the same rules for everybody
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Yep. Double standards everywhere. Apparently nude children are within standards if it is "artistic".
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Bunch of art-nazis, literally. They censor and delete art they deem degenerate or that criticises the website, like the Nazis did in WWII, even when the art in question is intelligent, not offensive and popular.
dA might have started out as a refuge and professional platform for fringe and amateur artists, but it's not anymore. Now it's all mainstream, politically correct and white washed.
I'm with you, brother.
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