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Description okie lemma explain XD
my best friend had her dA bday....anniversary...whatever last friday xD so i know its late but this is my prezzie for her
This is Sebastian from the anime Kuroshitsuji XD she is OBSESSED with that anime, not to mention a fangirl of this guy
^^ so here is Sebastian! (or as she calls him, Sebby XD)
hope you like it girly!! ;33 happy dA bday for last friday!! <33
(again sry its late)

:heart enjoy!
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Comments: 97

rachelegranger In reply to ??? [2011-11-08 08:13:22 +0000 UTC]

ahahahah so you're a sebastian fangirl are ya? ;DD

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Youichiz2011 In reply to rachelegranger [2011-11-08 10:34:46 +0000 UTC]

yeah! i'm ciel fangirl too

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rachelegranger In reply to Youichiz2011 [2011-11-08 16:44:25 +0000 UTC]

XD hahaha well i have a sketch of ciel in there as well

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Nairoko [2010-09-24 21:21:25 +0000 UTC]

Wow she must of been excited to see that drawing cuz it rox. <3 the sexy suit

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rachelegranger In reply to Nairoko [2010-09-25 01:21:54 +0000 UTC]

lol yeah she was XD me melted into fangirl goo XPP
<33 thanks so much!!

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Shinnk [2010-09-09 18:36:57 +0000 UTC]

I love Sebastian!
and it's fun, I know a lot of people named Sebastian, yet all of them seems to be the opposite of this Sebastian! XD

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rachelegranger In reply to Shinnk [2010-09-10 00:15:32 +0000 UTC]

XD LOL everyone loves Sebastian
hahahah oh my really? ;3 well i guess this Sebby is one of a kind ey?

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Shinnk In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-10 07:20:57 +0000 UTC]

yeah, he's awesome^-^
hehe, true true, being demonish and all XD

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rachelegranger In reply to Shinnk [2010-09-11 04:04:57 +0000 UTC]

haha i guess so XD
LOOL XD good point

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Shinnk In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-11 07:54:25 +0000 UTC]

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rachelegranger In reply to Shinnk [2010-09-11 10:32:55 +0000 UTC]

x333

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tama-chan-myu [2010-09-08 05:19:24 +0000 UTC]

fffffffyes

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rachelegranger In reply to tama-chan-myu [2010-09-08 08:33:12 +0000 UTC]

LOL XD fan of Sebby are ya?

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tama-chan-myu In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-09 05:39:53 +0000 UTC]

VERY MUCH SO!

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rachelegranger In reply to tama-chan-myu [2010-09-09 06:01:17 +0000 UTC]

*sniggers* XD alrighty then

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Sharidaken [2010-09-07 20:48:23 +0000 UTC]

I remember this guy? I have to draw a picture of him for an art trade but I can't remember who's it for

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-08 01:24:36 +0000 UTC]

^^ yup yup! Sebastian! O: oh really? *.* have you
still got the picture you drew?

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-08 02:57:46 +0000 UTC]

no not yet cause I have to find out who it's for first before I draw him

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-08 07:31:09 +0000 UTC]

oh right you haven't drawn it yet XD my bad!

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-08 12:44:54 +0000 UTC]

that's okay I'll draw it when I get my other stuff I wanted to do out of the way.

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-09 04:54:38 +0000 UTC]

<33 sure same here i have a few drawings in my mind i need to get done XD i never stop running out of ideas

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-09 12:10:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm kind of doing mainly a lot of gifts and offers to people so I really haven't been drawing anything that was my idea much recently unless they were suggestions. But anything of my favorites or OC's I haven't gotten back to yet

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-09 12:15:10 +0000 UTC]

aaww but that means you're an awesome friend ^^ since you're
putting so much time and effort drawing picture for others
I'm sure all your friends really appreciate it!

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-09 13:08:27 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I've made a lot of friends over the years so I'm trying to do my best in making everyone happy since no one else ever tries to do anything for them except ask what they want its very disappointing cause I know so many good people who are kind and generous they respect me so much and they don't get any respect from others I want to show them how much they mean to me more which is why I try my best in draw them something. Like my sister figure Avalanchely, my good friend Julika-Nagara and others like Napalm, SilverOceanAlchemist, NeoDeviant156, and my good friend Captainface since these friends and other I care, love, and like so much I'd do anything to make them happy even if it means taking time off of doing something what I want to do for myself I'll put them before anything else to show my respect for them

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-10 03:08:53 +0000 UTC]

yush me too! i've made alot of awesome friends ^^ including
people here on dA ;33 i love my social life XD it gives me a
life in general XPP so im grateful for all my mates around me

yeah people are neglected, not because of how nice they are, but
because of things they do that others may think they're weird.
It's like labeling, if you're not the same as everyone else then
you're an outcast and strange >.> its really sad just how
judgemental people are these days

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-10 09:56:07 +0000 UTC]

same here I don't have much friends at school cause I was usually picked on a lot so I have my childhood friend Derek which we hangout a lot and his friends and my sister's boyfriend Jordan and sometimes my friend DivaStar but she can be a bit over board

I know right I had my friend maria33 hate me all because I said she was loving hetalia way to much and all her friends listen to her crap and hate me because I didn't like hetalia! They bash every other anime show I love why shouldn't I bash theirs? there show sucks and they know it. then theirs this one guy name NoLimit5 he bitches a lot about me all because I can't stand Disney very much and canon couples and thinks after some point trying to get my friendship to work with him he thinks I'm an ass kisser and he blows me off all the time not letting me what I have to say and gives out bad reviews on good movies like Avatar he is such a big retarded idiot who has no life and balls.

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-11 10:25:17 +0000 UTC]

omgsh, my friends are the reason that i was able to
graduate high school, i hate a rotten school life. If
it wasn't for all my mates then i would've quit school
a loooooooooooooong time ago

my gosh! they hated you because you didn't like the same
anime as them D8 thats just horrible who does that?
man some people are just real judgemental, i mean i love
Disney but i don't really mind that you don't like it that
much coz you're an awesome guy anyway. What shows and anime
you like has got nothing to do with it

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-12 05:01:37 +0000 UTC]

At least your lucky to have good friends. I didn't have any friends at all or anyone I could trust if my dad hadn't taken me out of my old middle school in 8th grade and had a fuse with me going to a High School he didn't want me to go to just for a good education I would have graduated just fine and didn't need to worry much about going to college. Now he's bragging to me about finishing my GED which has taken me 3 years to finish and he and my mom are the only reasons why I can't finish cause they don't take me or let me go to my classes cause of their own shit Their even the ones who got me kicked out of school.

Apparently the Hetalia fans its just some stupid anime show that has only gay guys that look cute representing a country which is just plan stupid their and think every other anime show sucks but theirs is good. My ass! That show is just 5 minutes of nonsense. They act like they all know history but they don't. They don't know shit because their relying on a stupid show with no education in it for their answer on history or different countries. At least Time Squad put some knowledge in my brain. I like Disney too but the concept of like over using it to the point where everything is run by Disney or owned by Disney grins my gears theirs other things in the world besides Disney and they make everyone else like whimps. Now I loved Disney when I was a kid but its gotten to the point where people aren't so nice or know better in real life or online if they think Disney is so great.

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-13 04:10:23 +0000 UTC]

omgsh thats horrible, how did you manage to get through high school? did you graduate? if you did i really admire that, its not easy going through all those years with noone to lean on for support <33 you're really brave for having to go through that


Hetalia...i've heard of that, O.o gay guys? who the heck would want to watch a anime with Yaoi in it? that and Yuri are the main types of anime that i avoid more than anything >.< i can't stand it
So what kind of Disney movies do you like? just the classic ones like Beauty and the Beast or do you prefer other ones?

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-13 20:53:41 +0000 UTC]

well to be honest it was a living hell and I just learned to be very aware of people these days cause after that whole experance I always keep in mind what people may think of me today if they saw what I like It wasn't easy, sometimes I may have cried a lot when I was at home but I tried to hold it in at school. And sadly to say I didn't I got kicked out of school because I said something violent that started up the class to spread rumors about me bringing a gun to school which wasn't true but it was more like I was driven to say it when I didn't mean to and the teach did nothing about it so I spent about 3 to 4 years trying to finish up my GED class. And you know what I learned absolutely nothing at that school for years even when I was held back a year

Good then that show isn't right for you. Theirs nothing good about that show and what's worse the fans treat every other anime show like shit like as if they have no point in the series and act all hypicritical about it they even act like their country is so great when really its just making them look bad I'd kill the bastard who made that show
A bit of both actually I'm restarting to watch some of them and now that I look at them today I'm more surprise what meaning they gave back when I was a kid I go like, I never knew most of this here and its surpring to me today how they had good points back then when I was a little kid I go like look at that I never understood the meaning to them. but now I do but the one thing I hate about Disney more is mainly its original series and movies on Disney channel along with Kingdom Hearts

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-16 07:45:46 +0000 UTC]

yeah i know the pains of going through high school, it doesn't bother me now but they used to call me names and tease about things they knew i was sensitive about, and i would often com home that day crying and refuse to go to school the next day >.< it was absolute hell.
I'm not enjoying tafe much either, i hate, absolutely hate swearing, and every 2nd word they said was the "f" word...so i dread going to tafe every week.

yeah Yaoi shows aren't very good for the community are they?

I just watched Beauty and the Beast last night XD i had such fun watching it!! i was blasting out into song and everything ^^ it was so much fun!!!!

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-16 15:39:19 +0000 UTC]

normally I don't mind cursing I say it all the time. But only on special times not like every minute but it was hard for me at school when everyone would say stuff to you to make you feel bad and say stuff about your sister and what they did to her and when I tried doing it to them they it took no affect on them and they kept on saying they didn't with them but for me they did it was never anyone else they could pick on more but me

No their not its only encouraging people to support more yaoi. Where in the world did it come from anyway

You know what's funny about that movie was Gaston even thou he was a Disney villain he wasn't truly a villain just a big jerk hell when I was a little kid and saw him fall off a cliff I always wondered if anyone bothered to look down and see if he was still their kind of like in Loony Toons when they fall off the cliff

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-17 01:56:16 +0000 UTC]

i saw small words sometimes, like damn and crap...but i never
say any of those main ones (f and s words). Those words are like poison that infects my ears...i can't stand them which is why i hate going to my classes...it's all i hear most of the day

well homosexuality has been around for a long time. So i guess they kinda just developed it from that.

XD LOOOOL Gaston's an idiot, he screamed like a friggin girl when
he fell to his death XPP
, yeah, people on youtube were commenting if some unlucky
sod was going to have to scrape his body off the floor XDDDD

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-17 13:43:21 +0000 UTC]

Well then I guess I should be cautious saying those words around you then huh normally I say those words when I'm either angry or just blurt them out but I do respect if people can't stand hearing those words unless its rather annoying around them which your not at all

Some people just can't keep the fact of making yaoi pairings to themselves god I'd hate to see people turn my characters into yaoi that's what I'm kind of worried about when I puzzled my novel

I know right you gotta admit that was pretty funny their OMG! For real you know whats strange thou, Gaston's suppose to be a Disney villain yet he's really not all that evil, just a big jerk. Almost everything we see from guys or girls these days yet people think he's a villain and will work with other villains from either Disney or non Disney characters to take over the world. Now I know he's considered a Disney villain but he's not all that evil. I mean because of the fact he's a Disney villain most people on fan fiction think all bullies from various cartoon shows are considered villains like Heather from Total Drama Island, Dash from Danny Phantom, Paul from Pokemon and other bullies from various cartoon or anime shows. Heck even stupid characters that aren't as decent enough or have a clue the person who hates them will think their a villain

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-20 01:37:03 +0000 UTC]

haha well you're alright...you don't swear as much as these
guys do. I mean its every 2nd or 3rd word they say...its just
unbareable. I'm listening to it right now, i just wanna get my
music i brought and block it all you >.< i sooo did now want
to come today O.<
I'll put it all out of my mind when i go home. I'm walking home
but i have my mp3 to listen to music on the way ^^

omgsh...if my characters went yaoi or yuri or if someone else
stole them and made them that way >.< OC abuse!! i didn't create
them for that!!!

yeah i know what you mean. Coz to start off with he was just the
guy in town that was full of himself and constantly hitting on Belle XDD (poor girl xP) but then further into the movie he kinda
got obsessed to the point where it drove him crazy. I mean look
at how far he went, he was gonna blackmail her by throwing her
father in to the insanity asylum.
But i like the twist they gave really, the normal guy is the bad
guy and the beast is the good guy XD thats a bit different then
usual isn't it?

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-24 18:00:52 +0000 UTC]

Well believe me I'll swear a lot when I want just not all the time. I swear on different conclusions. But when a friend of mine is around me doesn't like to hear it I wont swear in front of them. Normally I swear in front of friends who don't mind or usually around other guys.
I get that feeling at times in the car whenever I don't want to listen to people talk about stuff I don't wanna here
Well you know if I ever use your OC's I'd never treat them like that ever I'm not one to do that to anyone's OC's. Normally if I've known the friend of mine for about at least 5 to more years and they were beginners of creating there OC's I would probably try to pair my OC's up with theirs but since you had these OC's before I came along and already had them planned out I wont do that to ya
That's the kind of twist I usually like in most good guy bad guy ways like in Little Shop of Horrors the main character was just a whimp and had no one and the girl was dating this punk who treated her badly until he killed himself by inhaling so much gas then the main character fed his body to the plant. But at the end it turned out he gets married to the girl and before that they both cared for one another from the beginning. I like the kind of stuff where the nicer guys or sometimes usually unpopular guys get the girls more than the guys that are full of them selves getting the girls I hate that

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-26 07:56:59 +0000 UTC]

well so far you're alright ^^ and i'm grateful, means alot
to me. Sometimes my friends swear without even realizing it coz
i tell them off and they're like "O.o i didn't swear did i?"

^^ thats good to know 83 i'd love to sometime see someone use
my OC's in a fanfiction x33 as long as they're used appropriately
ofcourse ;33

^^ yeah i do too, which is probably why i love Beauty and the Beast
so much! the twist is different then most Disney movies ;33 and
its not the usual handsome guy all through the movie. The only real cliche thing about is the fact she ends up with the Prince x33
that's usually pretty typical

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-27 02:38:57 +0000 UTC]

Most people can't remember what they do or say most of the time because either they had something else going on in there mind or they were doing to many things at once they lost focus of what they were doing. So its usually natural if they don't know or remember.

Well of course I'll need there help to know if I'm doing a good job using them or not normally if I've done rps with them then it might help out

That's how most Disney movies are. They never do bad endings cause kids are watching them and they gotta make sure they live with a big happy ending till there older when they find out the truth which is sad isn't it when they realize it

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-09-28 05:31:58 +0000 UTC]

hahah yeah that i can understand, XD i used to hear guys swear
heaps while they were playing basketball and they were so focused
on what they were doing on the court they didn't even realize the
foul ranting that they were letting out.

83 you are more than welcome to write a fic of Nikki and Kai if
you want, you are a person i trust alot on here so i don't mind
if you would like to have a go ;33 i'll help you along with the
characters personality in the story

yeah, and they give all the twisted and sometimes sad endings to us
older folks XDD it's just not all that fair is it? haha jk jk <33
but i'm a fan of happy endings so thats probably why i fairly
enjoy watching Disney movies

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-09-28 11:59:43 +0000 UTC]

That's the same way on the football field. It usually helps get them going or pumped up at times.

Thanks because if I did use your OC's I gotta make sure I'm using them right I had a fic I was working on that had a load of characters in it it was getting very difficult not because there was like to many characters but the fact that almost everyone were changing up what they want in the fic really messed up the whole story's concept and this was a parody of FFVII. I thought I could have easily make it work but just so much I was doing for them than myself it really didn't work well

Don't feel to sad thou you just got to find the true movie for ya like 2012 and Avatar and other movies like Iron Man, The Pink Panther, Transformers, Harry Potter, Night at the Museum, The Mummy series, Shrek and other Dreamworks movies, Fantastic 4, and other movies even the classics I plan on giving my novel series good endings but later on in the series there will be loses and some what sad moments but will lead up to making things better in the end

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-10-01 04:16:04 +0000 UTC]

haha yeah i guess you could use that analogy XD

<33 well if you'd ever like to use them for a GSD fic then let me know and we'll work something out ;33 mkay? but it's true i guess if i use someone elses OC in one of my stories i'll need help understanding their background and personality. ;33

2012 and Avatar XD are you purposely teasing me that i'm missing my two movies?
yeah those are all good movies ;33 my gosh i need to get around to seeing the fourth Shrek movie, i haven't seen it yet >.<

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-10-03 12:56:40 +0000 UTC]

Which is why I'm willing to help them out with my OC's as well normal I'd ask people to give me a background story on all there info like what's there bio and personality like but hopefully if I know the character much it might help as long as it makes sense to me. Other times I'm like WTF or is this character suppose to be this. Sometimes either rping with there OC's or drawing there OC's usually help like how I drew the OC kids of Stitch and my old friends OC Rei.

Actually I wasn't trying to really if that's what you meant no I couldn't think of any good movies besides those two cause those were the only ones on my mind and most I wasn't sure if you'd like them or not cause they could have been horror or comedy you don't like Yeah, I was thinking about seeing the fourth Shrek too but wanted to wait for it on video and DVD cause I wasn't sure if seeing it in theaters would be a good idea since the last one was pretty bad

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-10-07 04:37:55 +0000 UTC]

i've included a couple of other friends OC's in my story...well i'm about to anyway x33 my best friend and another mate on here. x33 it's gonna be fun writing out their personalities XDDD

XD haha it's alright i'm just messin around with ya. ;3 well i don't blame ya, those are awesome movies XD and she still hasn't watched them!!!

D8 i really wanna see it! although i've heard mixed comments most people say that it's really good, but i've heard the occasional person say that it's a really crap movie XDDD

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-10-08 16:11:58 +0000 UTC]

That's why my friend and I rp a lot so we can work out each others OC's but I have a problem with trying to act out other characters from time to time with others and usually good at writing there personalities well when I'm writing the story and not with anyone else sometimes its hard for my characters to fit in cause people go very fast when rping and your trying to copy down what there saying

Dang how long is she gonna take you'd thought she'd be done with them by now?

I think its because after the first 2 it was just good enough. Cause the second had a good connection to the first one in how it all happened but when they made the third it only led just not having a connection at all or better yet not having the same humor to it as the other two instead made it more kid friendly since the first was like an adult comedy in a way if you know what I mean?

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-10-10 06:20:48 +0000 UTC]

oh yeah, i had a rp with her once where we both acted out ourselves and our OC's from Gundam XDD it was so hilarious, i printed it out so i can go back and read it when i want to...it's that funny. But yeah and it helped me with her character ^^ i've already written a whole chapter with her OC in it.

LOL i have no idea XD i might have to go over and force her.

i actually really liked the 3rd one XD i remember the first time i saw it at the movies. My gosh i was laughing through the whole movie!! XDDDD

Omgsh i need to tell you...i cried over an anime yesterday XD you want me to tell you about it? D> it was just so sad!!

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-10-11 09:55:28 +0000 UTC]

I remembered when an old friend of mine and I did this one rp with one of our OC's dating, it was pretty much the suppose to be the first time. One of my OC's were dating a fanmade OC of her's which was a Naruto OC and supposed to be dating Sasuke, and since she wouldn't let one of her original OC's be with this OC not because he was such a pervert but she was big a little brat she paired her first OC up with mine. Either way, we did this rp together that seemed like a lot of fun almost as a little series. It was so much fun I wished I copied and saved it all together

That a girl I have to say, the 3rd one was alright but wasn't all that great compared to the last two those were the ones that really made a big impact and story add up to its movies. I guess what was cute about it was the Shrek babies. But that was all it. The story behind it with the villain was kind of too predicable really.

Wow! Really I'm sorry to hear that sure tell me what anime was it

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-10-11 11:00:59 +0000 UTC]

Ah the good ol pairing OC's with other OC's xDD i have a couple of mine that i've done that with, Alina and Naomi x33 if you like i can explain where i made them from XDDD their boyfriends are OC's of a couple of my mates that are here on dA

lol well i need to organise something with her XDD hmmm...well i overall love Shrek, its a great family movie and is just hilarious XD my fav is Donkey, he cracks me up

an anime called Rose Of Versailles...have you heard of it? i became rather drawn and attached to the main character, and she dies at the end...just as she passes away it plays sad music and has a slideshow of some of her life showing...and the whole thing made me so emotional i had a lump in my throat and tears running down my face XD i'm a real softy on the inside

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-10-13 02:47:30 +0000 UTC]

Sure I'd love to hear the story behind there relationships since you've let me tell you mine

Who wouldn't like Donkey

Sadly I'm afraid not Aww... that's so sad... anime shows like that always tend to make me wanna cry like in Gurren Lagann or Elfen Lied. Heck I was upset when one of my favorite anime characters and favorite character of the show Cowboy Bebop died at the end it was so sad.

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rachelegranger In reply to Sharidaken [2010-10-14 07:20:12 +0000 UTC]

well Alina is basically my opposite, everything that i'm not is her personality XD she loves wearing skirts all the time, she has straight light brown hair and is precise and girly XD i'm the other way around XPPP She is the girlfriend of my friends OC Utarise who' based of Sonic the hedgehog, but he has a human form that she just adores x3333

Then theres Naomi, i created her when i became newly obsessed with Final Fantasy 13. So she is based of that game x3 Her full name is Naomi Tamsen. But she doesn't learn her name until she is much older. But while growing up people call her Red because of her flaming hair XDD
Her boyfriend is my friend 's OC Siege x33 i couldn't be bothered creating another bf so i just paired her up with someone elses character xD i got his permission don't you worry, i actually have a couple of pictures of these two together.

well that's about it! ^^

XD LOOL heck yeah Donkey's awesome!!

Ah i see, well it's a oldish one based on the French Revolution, so alot of people are killed.
;.; i knooooow, i don't know why but i couldn't help myself, i even went back 2-3 times to watch it again and each time tears filled my eyes and flowed down my face >.< i really liked her!! why did she have to die!

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Sharidaken In reply to rachelegranger [2010-10-16 21:36:54 +0000 UTC]

Ah that's cool well I will admit sometimes if my friends or even someone I know has an OC I like I may try to pair them up with them just if I feel like it or not. My old friend had a lot of different OC's I couldn't help but to pair one of them up with which ever I had interest for the most that's just how I was unless they were like a pervert like Jeff one friend of mine name ChibiSkitty-donna suggested pairing one of her OC's up with my other OC daughter with another girl I loved from Kaleido Star which we did and I use to have my OC paired up with that girl I hate name Priscilla's OC but then something went wrong and she stupidly decides to make them break up. She has no brain. She didn't even inform it to me. I had one girl once tell me she didn't want me to pair her OC up with mine cause he was randomly made to be paired up with her and I kind of had my doubts but he's now dating someone else now

I know how you feel Charrli It's sad seeing your favorite character die in the end heck I'm even going to have my main characters of my novel series die in some points of the series mainly towards the end cause that's where most of them make the biggest sacrifice of all there lives. I know I don't want to or upset my fans but that's what people try to do when making the idea of there novels interesting. They play around to see what happens and if it does it grabs the emotions of all the viewers reading it with sorrow and tears reading or seeing it. That's how they become good.

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