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Published: 2014-07-31 22:16:06 +0000 UTC; Views: 64271; Favourites: 1704; Downloads: 1266
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Just a little picture inspired by the events in this severely tried land. I would like to show my support to the brave people there.In the spring Ukrainian airborne units started to push the russians.
All done in photoshop in some 5 evenings after the study of BMD-2 photos.
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Well, I asked for your opinion. If you happen to have one that is yours, of course.
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"Ukrainian airborne units started to push the russians. "
Lol, I dont know what you talking but these people bombing their own civilians + build a fashism regime like it in back 1933.
I think when Russia declear war to ukraine they got steamroled... i mean just look how weak the ukraine army is right now.
And what you guys mean with "Free ukraine" ? Because with this regime right now it will never be free...untill you support the ways like hitler did.
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don't start putler propaganda on deviantart ... keep it for your self and your comrades ... nobody believes you ...
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No ? Mh, than what do these people in Ukraine right now ? I dont think the bombing one the people which belongs to the same country arnt such a good thing.
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My english is bad but I think you can understand what I try to say to you.
"nobody believes you" Dude, even the "pro ukranien" dont support the regime anymore. Their mothers wants their kids back and the regime kicks them still against the partisans.
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Ukraine is fighting for its independence and territorial integrity ... it's a war ... people die ... also most of those soldiers are volunteers, there are over 30 battalions of volunteers that's tens of thousands of soldiers ... most of them fight in donbass right now, others are located in different tows and cities as backup and local peace-keeping ... The so called "regime" doesn't kick anybody, people have mobilised themselves, also those are not partisans those are russian terrorists the same as they were in Transnistria, Abhazia, Ossetia, Karabah and Chechnia ...
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Wow, are you so stupid ? I know, such people like you are less educated in this but come on. These people like you call them "volunteers" are most of the half mercenary from poland, Lithuania, Latvia and and and.
30 battalions ? I dont think its the best way to belive what others say without any proof, dont you think ? Do you already forgot what these "volunteers" did and still do to their own people ? Is it that independence ?
I mean killing even unarmed childern with automatic weapons ?
Another thing. "peace-keeping". I think you just dont want to say or you just blind what these monsters really do. If you really interestet, than go to youtube and search what you need. You will see what they still do.
In these battalions like you say, are not more than thousends, even less since they lost over 80% their armor during the partisan attacks. And now they will countine to lose when the winter comes.
But I must agree in some point with you. People mobilised themselves, no one wants to be killed just like the ukrainian regime it wanted.
And how do you thing these are russians "terrorists" ?
I mean everybody knows thats there russians, like spain, polish, even german people aswell. I would join them aswell for the right thing. But you already forgott that the ukrainian terrorists supported aswell from the west. I mean just look their stuff. And now they got humvees.
I mean the ukrainian regime has so poor and unhuman legislation that people have to join, if they want or not. But now they realize its better stay for 5 years at jail than die for nonsense.
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another putler slave ... "you know such people like me are less educated" ... XD ... but HOW do you KNOW THAT ... that's where I understood you're a propagandist ... perestroika 2.0 is coming comrade
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Well, Im not so lazy to move my ass and do some research about it instead belive instantly without using the own brain . But come one, no one belives you, not here when I read the comments.
Why you even try tododge my and others arguments ? Meanwhile even people like you have to face the truth what the "free people" do right now.
Im not a propagandist, for that i need to be in a party or something. I just get sick of people like you, not only that you sopport these monsters and idiots, its more that you even try to harm their crime like you did it with your last post.
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I live in Moldova, we had the same so called "civil war" (transnistrian war) when moldavians where accused of fascism, russian propagandists were travelling around the country telling people fairytales about moldavians killing russians and ukranians, the fact is there were russian-speaking and ukranian-speaking people fighting on both sides of the conflict, it's a tactic known as "DIVIDE AND CONQUER", the same goes for the Georgian Republic, when ossetians and abhasians started killing eachother and also hated the central georgian government, now Transnistra, Abhazia and South Osetia are dead-zones most of the population that lived there left those shit-holes, kremlin tv is bad for you ... guy, the rest of the world is sick of people like you that are blinded by russian propaganda ... use your brain and develop same analitical-critical thinking ... I know it's hard considering you're a russian but you can always try ... there a small minority of russians that don't support russia's imperialist tendencies, maybe one day you'll be part of those clear-minded people
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See, thats my point. You dont even try to read the post before you start with this rubbish. Its nice to see that even you picks the civil war in quotation marks because it the same shit like in ukranie. I dont even know how you compare the fight of independence from Moldawien/Transnistrien and the criminal method of the ukrainian regime tot their own people ?
The Georigan "Conflikt" was on other hand again what something different...its not always that everything has to do with eachother, otherwise you are paranoid. I see why you hate the russians, thats why you will always accept everhing to suit them as the bad guys and its fine for me. Such people like you will always exists, but come one. You cant tell me that you support these faschist in ukraine only because of the past and that only of your personal contempt ?
"kremlin tv" is hard to get in germany, I watch everything what I get in germany. The propaganda from the west and the propaganda from the russians but aswell from the people who life their.
And it would be nice not to repeat what I already said, when the world is sick of people like me, why then still people manage to leave their home and familie from different places only to fight right now against the ukrainian fascists ? Because of the "kremlin tv" ? I didnt knowed that Russia is such powerfull, thats why russia is the world ruler right now...
Not like you, my logic is not blindet by arrogance and hate. Although Russia did bad things, since the revolution and before, like every country it does and still do, I still use the logic and watch the problem from different points.
And than this, "russia's imperialist". If I could send a face palm I would do it, its exactly this what brings my on rage. When these people say that russians even killed the easter bunny you will belive it.
In my opinion you are just a blinded dude by trash talk of others like you.
I mean just read what you write. "clear-minded". Do you really think that something like that even exists in our corrupt world right now ? And than that you are a part of them make it even more implausible.
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I read your post, stop making up stuff ... comrade ... wtf is this: "the fight of independence from Moldawien/Transnistrien", you don't even know what are you talking about ... if you don't see a similarity with the wars in Moldova and Georgia ... there's nothing I can do to help you, you're just ignorant ... the same goes for calling ukranians "fascists" ... how are they fascists, do you even know what fascist means, russia is closer to fascism than any other coutry in Europe because it's an authoritarian regime, authoritarian nationalism, a.k.a fashism is what defines russia right now ... "people manage to leave their home and familie from different places only to fight right now against the ukrainian fascists" ... again with the bullshit ... yes, "kremlin tv" made russians change the status of ukranians form "brother nation" to "fascists" ... they changed to this rhetoric as soon as kremlin accused Ukraine of fascism ... brainwashing at its best ... don't you think?
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Yes but the one who is brainwashed is the one who I still write this several times and this at Deviantart...
If you really read my post or others, than you wouldnt dodge my arguments or question and answear them instead.
No, the uprising in Moldova is a another thing what was in Georgia or you wants to say me where People fight each other, although in dfference things, it has always to be the same thing ? Or its because that russia was involved in this, but than its your personal ignorance and not facts... If it would, im really glad to see some.
I know what fascists are, and im not blind. Even if they would hide their political opinion, not like they do it right now when you see what they wear, you dont need to be smart to understand what is happening there.
And with your last post I cleary can see that you have no clue of everything. Russia has right now the oligarchie as the rulers, Putin can do what he wants, like a Zar in the past. God yes, it has a part of authoritarianism, like every country it does when we are be honest.
I mean do YOU have a idea what fascism means ? Even when you bombs russia which such stupid arguments, wich are not even be supported by some facts or proofs, but than talk about that russia is fascism but the true fascists, which even wear the fascists symbols and behavior like in ukraine ? And im the brainwashed one ?
I see what you do, its not that hard to find out, but it wont works. Look, you exactly do what you yelled at me, a propagandist. I mean it could work when you proof it, or even brings some more lies but right not its only hot air, more nothing.
But honest, you really wants to tell my, that the people who fight now against the ukrainan fascists, the other people which are comes from different countrys included, are all "manipulated" by the lol "kremlin tv".
Ok, maybe you will understand it now.
When suddenly people start to killing each others, only because the other part dont like you like how you look or speak, how you live your life and other trash, and people start now to defend them self against that, these "rebels" are manipulated by another ones ?
Wtf are you ? A troll or something ? I mean if you dont want to make this conversation serious fine, but than its like I said, you are a ignorant dude who is blinded from his own feelings.
Yeah.... brainwashing at its best...I feel sorry for you. But we all makes mistakes in our life. Good, that I dont prefer lies which arnt proofed instead using my own brain.
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making shit up ... again ... about not reading your post, "dodging your arguments" ... what arguments comrade ... there was not a single argument to support your bullshit, I ask of you to get informed on the wars in Moldova and Georgia including russia's war against Georgia in 2008 ... there's all the proof and facts you need and some of that I already talked about, if you're just too ignorant to inform yourself, that's your problem I was hoping for a constructive discussion with a person that knows what he's talking about ... I know you know you're wrong ... but as I said before it's hard for a russian not to support their masters in kremlin ... maybe you'll change some day ... I hope
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Dont know what you talking about. We talked about the problems in Ukraine, not in Moldova or where you trys to move to Georgia. There was and still proves who started to "war" there. It dosent have to do with the problem with ukraine and you dont need to bullshit me with this only because russians was conflicted with that. With your logic russia is pure evil and always trys to slave other and murder all, but that you still dont brings some arguement or lies, makes this to something senseless and cowardly discussion. I mean you still dodging from the main talk as we started from the murder of the people from the right site with such stupid talk that it was the "same" thing like in Moldova or even more credible Georgia.
You think you know what was going on in Moldova only because you life there ? How prove that everything or how you wants to tell me, it has commonalities with ukraine or even Georgia ?
"Oh yeah, your ignorant and a manipulated men from kremlin" sounds more like a person lacks of informations and brain cells. And now this "masters in kremlin". You need to stop this roleplaying dude. It spooky and dumb and more like childish.
Russian have oligarchs who rule the country, where the current normal people dont have anything. We knows that. Its the same like it was before the putsch and it the same after the putsch in Ukraine. No body likes it and I cant remember that I said something like this that you belive I support the system there.
But thats what people like you always do. Talking shit without prove anything, doge everything with other bullshit and than goes to insults and allegations.
I mean "masters in kremlin". One of the best comments here.
Let me guess, america is for you than a country without any problems, always wants only peace for the world and ukraine only wants peace aswell and tries not to lie or use force of arms ? Ofc only russian "separatist" did the war crime, who else right ? And the low level fakes from the fascists are purly true and we dont need to question about it although they dont make any sense ?
I know that you blind from the past and its your way of life, but come one. Grow up and get over it or dont try to bullshit others with this. Even if you wants to lie, than support your lies aswell. Otherwise you get in a shity position like this where you cant properly argue and you fail what was your main goal.
I cant belive that Im still talking to people like you and even try now to help with your lies...and that at deviantart...mistakes we made.
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then again I ask you to get informed on the conflicts in Moldova and Georgia ... if you don't see similarities, when everybody in the post soviet world sees them, your misinformation is the problem or just your ignorance ..comrade
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Hey mate, did you heard about the mass graves in Donezk ? I can link you about it.Is this what you support ? Or you want to tell me that its again trash talk from the old, bad Kreml ? I know you lack of brain cells but eyes you still have right ?
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of course there's mass graves, the "separatists" did a great job killing the people they were supposed "to protect" ... I guess you've heard about thousands of civilians that were kidnapped, tortured, shelled and used as human shields ... also a lot of them were recruited by force in terrorist organisations, threatening their families ... now with the arrival of the regular russian army ... these terrorists are being "cleand up" by russias special forces ... cause only recently there were declarations from kremlin that the so called militia has been committing some serious crimes against the population ... there's plenty videos of locals that were filming all these atrocities, also a lot of videos of the terrorists firing from residential areas, from apartment buildings ... that's using the locals as human shields ... you might want to research on that ... another thing, the BIG MAJORITY of the refugees are migrating to the ukrainian side, that's over 300000, and that number is growing, those that went to russia are in the thousands ... why are people so eager to migrate to the fascist ukranian side? when there's so much fascists and nasis walking around killing russians?(sarcasm, in case your pea brain doesn't get it) .... does that do anything for ya ... comrade
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You honestly got brainwashed or what ? I mean are you drunk when you text to me with that ? I mean just read your shit again and try to write it again when you sober. Its fakt, and when you wish I can link you some sites ( only in german bsc I live there) where it will prove you that it was the people from the ukranian army, not the "separatists". Its because like if your really would know what is happening there, there arnt any "separatists" in the area...and not even "russias special forces"
I mean who pure banging this sensless and old shit with pure russias special forces or human shields? Do you still life in the old 1941 ? I mean for this you need some prove, and thats should not be hard with the satelits from the Nato right now...or even some pics, or videos...something.
I mean many knows even now that the ukraine regime bombs there own people and soldiers to dust...I support only the soldiers part, but you wants to tell me that these are russias special forces? Mate, when russia would act like you said it, than nato would throw their soliders aswell.
What you try to bullshit me again that these "separatists" did all the crime, you still cant prove a bit....not a singel one. I mean even you already saw how the people wearing the nazi simybols and talked about that these rebells have to suffer. I mean even with my low russian-ukranian language I still manage to understand what they says.
Maybe you dont know, its beacuse you dont like the truth or you just a idiot like them, but the fascists are few, they not even supported by their own people in the east ukraine. And even more ukraine soliders prefer surrender to the "seperatists" than surrender and they killed by their own people...or wait, you dont belive it either.
Its the same old lyre with foolish dudes like you, there are only good ones and there others are the bad guys...and only the bad guys does bad things...because the logic is not present.
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being in denial is bad for you ... there's plenty on proof for what I wrote earlier ... I wrote earlier that most of the refugees are relocating in the regions controlled by the Ukranian army, and just a very small part of them have relocated in russia ... so most of the donbass region supports Ukraine, "the ukranian army killing it's own soldiers" XD ... that's exacltly what the russian army is doing in Ukraine, it's just Kremlin propaganda, if you do some research on the russian-Georgian war in 2008, russia was bombing ossetian villages and then blaming the georogians for the bombing, I mean the same happened in Transnistria ... all you need to do is research and stop watching pro-russian media, as I said before all post -soviet countries that had "pro-russian separatist movements" in their countries know what's happening ... you're very far from understading what is russia and the atrocities this russian horde is capable of doing, I mean just look at the history of ussr, eltsin and putin are continuing the tradition ... but the end is near for the russian empire ...
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Jesus, how manipulated are you or are you just so stupid ? I mean even if so brain afk goes through the world but still have eyes and internet conection, you cant belive this garbage what you try to tell me. Im sick of beging for proves bsc I realised you just a troll who support everything what these fascists do and dont dick move when some one please for some proves...
"kreml propaganda"...only idiots would pick this stupid words in their mouth or oldies who still follow the right sector. Just open youtube, type ukraine now, or ukraine donbass or something like that and you will see how wrong you are. I know you try to lie us but this is not going to work, not all of us are so unworldly how you belive. I mean you the person who even belive that Iraq got nukes, that russia attacked georgia and I belive you still belive in the easter bunny. People with just a little knowledge knows what going on in ukraine...and its not what you try to bullshit us.
Do you really think that every one civilian is a actor who is hired by "kreml" ? Like russia got that huge amount of money and replace the world east ukraine with actors...your hatred leads you in the illogical lanes and you know that, you just dont want to accept them.
Go one, try to bullshit others with your propaganda, people who think straight wouldnt even react to your shit, im just so nice person and try to bring you one the right way. But what you do and still we do, there is a nice place for you in the hell "comrade".
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as I said .... being in denial is bad ...
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Sounds funny when it comes from you... Btw, how do you like the ukraine regime work with their military ? I mean not that they bomb them aswell like the rebels, they even use t-62 irradiated tanks from 1986 only becasue they lack of armor. Or why poroschenko rush all his abroad visit that Nato have to enter the genozid ? I mean you are so grimly in your self-created picture of the world that you even support this...or you try your same shit and say its again kreml propaganda. I really would spend some money for you, only to show how you wrong think.
But mate...come one. We both know the truth, you just dont want accept it bsc it dosent match to your world picture. I dont know how old you are...but the world isnt only good or evil.
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"they even use t-62 irradiated tanks from 1986 only becasue they lack of armor. Or why poroschenko rush all his abroad visit that Nato have to enter the genozid" ... XD ... I wanna hear more of these kremlin fairytales
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2yDNR…
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XD ... DNR tv ... yeah right ... here's some real stuff ... comrade ... example of kremlin propaganda ... read the article and watch the videos: www.forbes.com/sites/paulroder…
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Ah you mean the same think like the "general" was captured by "ukrainian forces" but failed to act like one ? So damn pure truth in this one... I mean dont you see the commonalities here ? Like it was in Afghanistan ? Syrien, Lybien and so on ?
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are you dumb? ... read the f-ing article it's clear as day, are you even human or what the f is going on here, I'm giving some real stuff here and you're just going to continue kissing putin's ass ... XD ... why are you doing this, what's the point, I mean everybody supports Ukraine but some low-life scums like you ... just look at the UN meeting, look at who's supporting russia ... some isolated countries with dictatorship regimes, is what you want Germany to look like? ... get a life
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When I read what you always try to bullshit me, or where you got your "news" show me who is the real dumbass. Clear as day, so you call it, its the same like the BILD in my country...Just for you, check their history, you will see some commonalities. The "everybody" again so how you call it are the leaders of countrys, not the people itself. Ofc, there are some cray dudes like you who belive everything what they get or show in TV. That things can be manipulated you already know, but you seems only to belive that everything what is going against russia is totaly truth, only truth. Like Irag got nukes, totaly truth. That japan would still fight to the end when america didnt nuked them and so on.
" just look at the UN meeting" Excatly that it. You just a braindead, manipulated idiot who is full of rage who failed to see the truth in ukraine...or like I said it before you know it but dont want to accept it in many ways.
In contrast to you, I got a life. I mean im not the one here who bullshit others with you non proved propaganda. Im just a stubborn who wants than even people like you who lifes under a rock understand it.
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oh man ... just f-ing read a book or smth, I can't really win this ... you're just giving no counter arguments and repeating the same stuff over and over ... it's really a drag ... I hope you become clear-minded one day ... but kremlin's slaves have a really hard time with that ... anyway ... I hope you live the day of the collapse of the russian empire ... and all you brainwashed imbeciles will became people again ... it's like a zombie apocalypse with you putin-lovers ...
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Ofc you cant win this bsc you lack of arguments, mind, perceptive assets and something what we normal people call logic. The one who gives only bullshit one by one but still fail to prove or argue against what others say with your low skill "kreml propaganda/putin lover/russia for ever" shit. I cant remeber that I said I like him or something like that. But for you, like the others stupid and blind dude like the 88er in my country likes to pull all people who dont belive your shit in a drawer. I mean just read what you still trying.
Get your fucking ass up and look arround. Not every one like russia and less putin. But the fact that the ukraine mass murder their own people, and now even start to bomb their own people only that other NATO countrys would join it, people get sick of it or even of their own leaders bsc they act like them.
I congratulate to you, you now one the same level like a new brainwashed nazi.
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oh, so I'm a nazi now ... XD ... this just proves my point ... comrade
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I think you were dealing with an ignorant person with no critical thinking skills.
I like how he calls you a Nazi and he is from Germany!
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he's a russian living in Germany there's 4million of them there ... also the mass media in Germany is very pro-russian ...and about the whole "nazi" and "fascist" thing ... russians use those words against anyboy who doesn't follow kremlin's agenda, they used the same rhetoric in the Transnistrian war and the wars in Georgia as well ... so nothing new here
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the insight on Germany part.
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yep, there's a lot interesting stuff if you go into details with research, I mean the former counselor of Germany works at Gazprom for years, Germany was basically russia's puppet state when he was in charge ...
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No, if you read what i said, you one the same level like them. Braindead, full of rage and always fail to see the truth.
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You speak only truth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKacr…
I see how morally the ukranian powerment use their power against their own people and how other people support them.(irony)
Or just look arround. Even here you will how cruel they goes against their own people...or you still so stupid and belive that these are all rebells...but than russia hired the whole ukranian army only to show how cruel they are ? Are you such a douchebag ?
And pls, dont use rates like "this just proves my point". Not only that you still cant find something that you could prove in some way, you fail to read and than reproduce it. But yeah, I really wish Moldavia would get in the same situation like Ukraine, than I want to see how you would react when nobody wants to show the truth and than other douchebag try to hide it.
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I hope they get free! Nice picture to
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The author is well done, today it is a very important! Ukraine must be freedom!
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First it was riots in the streets and now it's a civil war...
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it's not a civil war ... the majority of the population in eastern Ukraine is pro-ukranian, yes there are local thugs and junkies fighting for money payed by kremlin ... also by hybrid war he meant that the media is also used as a weapon against ukraine inside of the country and also internationally by channels like russia today
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That is not what hybrid war means. Hybrid war refers to a war, that includes several different conducts of war, e.g. conventional war, irregular war and cyberwar. In so far, the Ukrainian civil war may be classified as a hybrid war, but hybrid war and civil war are NOT mutually exclusive. Btw. the fact that Ukraine is a civil war has been officially acknowledged by the International Red Cross in one of their statements in late July.
Even if the majority of eastern Ukraine is pro-Ukrainian (I don't doubt it, but I'm cautious to make judgement calls), this does not diminish the fact, that what we see in Ukraine is a civil war. As I have pointed out earlier, the most common definition for civil war is, that we have a war within a country, that is fought by two organised military groups (e.g. not marauders or organised crime) in order to gain dominance over said country. While popular support is certainly important (And Hippler's theory of Unconventional War would even suggest that it a superior goal compared to military dominance) it is not necessary for the definition of a civil war.
Proxy war is certainly a term that could be used within the Ukrainian context, but even that does not diminish the civil war aspect, as it would be naive to assume, that forces are willing to fight a proxy war without having a stake in the area themselves.
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