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I was able to counter a mega kanga quite easily. Just today in fact!
One-on-one rating battle, my team was Chandelure, Hitmontop and mega Blastoise. The opponent had Greninja, Chansey (I assume eviolited) and of course, mega Kanga. I KNEW they'd lead with mega Kanga, so I led with my Chandelure. They thought they could just double sucker punch me for a quick K.O. but nope! Wide lens will o wisp motherfucker! After doing that I swapped to Hitmontop, since one: he resists dark type moves, two: can easily stall with protect and three: has the highest defense of all my pokemon excluding mega Blastoise.
I fake out the kanga for some easy cheap damage stacked on top of the burn. Reverse back to chandelure to render the double return N/A and bam! No more mega kanga!
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Ah, 3 on 3 Pokemon battles on Battlespot where Smogon focuses on 6vs6 where you can pack even more threats that goes along with Mega Kanga. Also, Mega Kanga outspeeds Hitmontop and Chandelure so if those pokemon can even outspeed a Mega Kangaskan then that Mega Kanga isn't bred/Ev trained properly. Pls. until you experienced a 6vs6 battle with Mega Kanga with your opponent at high level then I'm still on the side that Mega Kanga is broken.
Oh, and before you go "Oh you're just a noob who can't deal with it". I'm one of those people who ABUSED the fact that Mega Kangaskhan is broken to get cheap wins. You just can't counter Mega Kangaskhan and all of those other "counters" of Mega Kangaskhan can be easily dealt with other Pokemons.
Oh, and detailed analysis for your joke of a battle. First of, what kind of retard leads off with a Mega Kanga? Second of, Since Kangaskhan and Mega Kangashan are faster than Chandelure. It literally has no reason to not use Earthquake to OHKO Chandelure. Third of all, no offense. You and your opponent are a joke.Β Wide Lens Chandelure? what? The Greninja didn't do anything to deal with your Chandelure and Hitmontop? Mega Blastoise didn't get stalled to death by Chansey? Seriously, thanks for reminding that I shouldn't go to Battle Spot Singles. Man, I didn't know the people there are even worse than I imagined. I wouldn't have to be ripping my hair out in frustration by facing people with poorly made teams.
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Oh, and the reason I have that wide lens on chandelure is because its best moves are heat wave and will o wisp, both of which have kinda crappy accuracy. Its other two moves are hex and psychic for dealing with thick fat mega venusaur and the occasional assault vested hariyama.
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Yep, I finally stopped taking you seriously. If you ever think that Hariyama is viable in Singles and Hex is useful then I don't know what to tell you.. Also, lol at Heat Wave. Just use Fire Blast if you even want to waste an item for Wide Lens.
I'm not blocking you since it's not my fortei and I'm enjoying laughing at your "mind blowing" sets.
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Well to be fair I pack heat wave mostly for double and triple battles, plus pokemon that have pressure would render fire blast useless after just a few moves. And also, fuck you for thinking that. Virtually any pokemon is viable if you play their strengths right. Hariyama might not have the best speed, but it certainly hits hard and can take a lot of hits!
Hex is useful in doubles and triples primarily but is also useful in singles IF I'm faster than the opponent and I use that will o wisp first. Very useful on physical attackers since they won't be taking me down in one hit when burnt. Plus in doubles and triples I use a manectric to thunder wave them and then hex them
Besides, they probably used sucker punch instead of earthquake because of the priority it usually grants. And nobody typically uses chandelures for setting up status conditions considering its massive sp.atk stat.
I was able to win because they were using the most predictable sets you could put on a pokemon typically considered OU. Where in reality the power and usefulness of the pokemon comes down to how said pokemon is used. Tiers aren't a measure of how good a pokemon is, its how many people use them for their easily exploitable moves and abilities!
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If you do play Doubles/Triples and 3v3 SIngles then why do you have to hate Smogon when they do 6v6 Singles? 
Again, no reason to not pack Earthquake for Kangaskhan. The move hits hard and gives good coverage. Hell, you can even put Earthquake and Sucker Punch in the same moveset like.
Pokemon:Mega Kangaskhan
Item:Kangaskhanite
Nature:Adamant/Jolly
Moves: Sucker Punch Return/Double Edge Earthquake Power-Up Punch/Fake Out
See? No reason to not use Earthquake. So enough of that 'muh priority!' bullcrap.
Final sentence. lol. Honestly, if famous Smogon players hears you says that. They will just know that you're not worth the time battling. At worst. It'll be a 6-0 sweep. At best, you may KO one or two of your Pokemon. But in then end, you will lose. Overused Pokemon =/= Predictable. SKill and prediction is still involved. Also, you have no idea idea how Smogon tiering works, have you? Smogon tiers Pokemon based on usage even a weak Pokemon like Magikarp can be OU if a lot of people used Magikarp on OU.
Imma tell you this. I was wee Smogon hater lad like you then I took an arrow to the knee until I played the format with people online on their official website. I hardly ever seen anyone pointing and laughing at me for using questionable Pokemon and even gave me tips on how to improve on teambuilding. See? Whatever you Smogon haters throws at me for whatever things like "They're elitists" or "They force people to play their own rules" or "They force people to use Pokemon other than their favorites". I know that they simply aren't true.
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Oh no, I know how smogon tiering works, and what I said about exploitation is a by-product of that: the more exploitable a pokemons moves are, the more people use it and thus, get booted to upper tiers. Like the classic swords dancing bullet punching scizor trick! Powerful? Yes. Easy to use? Yes. So naturally, many people are going to use said trick and therefore boosting scizor up in the tiers.
However, I've seen this trick so many times before that if you bring a scizor out against me, I'm gonna guess you run that exact set! Especially if its a mega scizor in which case I KNOW you're running that set because of mega scizors technician ability! And thus, I'm gonna send out mixtape (my chandelures nickname) to heat wave your ass before you even get the chance!
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Swords Dance Scizor isn't even that good! lmao. Choice Band or Defensive Mega Scizor is the way to go!
Again, just because a Pokemon is Overused=/
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And yet WHY is base scizor in your little OU tier? Swords dance bullet punch. And chandelure isn't as predictable as you think he is. He has access to a lot of the tools gengar uses too, like will o wisp, shadow ball, energy ball, and dark pulse! And he has the advantage of flame body, so you'll have to risk getting burnt if you wanna attack him physically, and access to infiltrator which renders safeguard and substitute pointless!
Hell, I've beaten gengars and mega gengars with chandelure.
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Because Scizor has better sets than just Swords Dance+Life Orb? Again, choice Band and Mega Scizor is the way to go.
lol at that movepool, Gengar's movepool can.. cover flying and water(thunderbolt), Fairies and grass(Sludge Bomb), Dark and steel(Focus Blast), Dark, fighting and Dragon (Dazzling Gleam) while still being able to have Will-o-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse and Energy Ball. Not to so impressive in comparison now? huh?
Wait, Chandelure has Flame Body? lol EQ, Dark Pulse, Scald and Shadow Ball. Levitate is a beautiful tool to have with how common ground types are in the meta.
Wait! I've beaten casual Mega Rayquazas with just a Stunfisk! Does that make me special?!?! Seriously, that last point of reasoning was just dumb.
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Y'know what? This is for you. Because this is exactly what you sound like.
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And my last point was supposed to mean that tiers mean absolutely nothing. Its how you RUN the set, not the pokemon! Also, why would you EVER have focus blast when its so inaccurate?
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I am a Smogonite after all. Thank you for your compliment. Whatever you say still hasn't justified your unknown dislike for Smogon. There is a reason why I made this comic, after all.
Risk vs. Reward. It's an important thing in video games. I risk the inaccuracy for the reward of coverage. A lot of people run Fire Blast and Will-o-wisp for the same reason.
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My beef with smogon is that they think they are the be-all end-all of competitive pokemon play! Like if your pokemons set isn't what they say then your pokemon is garbage! No, YOU'RE garbage. An unconventional set is actually what wins most battles. Like if I go up against a talonflame you think I DON'T expect a brave bird coming? No! I rock slide that little fucker back to earth! Much like how I expect gengars to try and shadow ball me from the start or how I expect mega kangaskhan to fake out! I'm prepared for common strategies and work my way around them! I don't focus on one member of my team, I think of them as one unit supporting the others!
Fast glass cannon with a lot of power? Galvantula will thunder wave while braviary will rock slide them after tagging out!
Bulky physical tank? Pull out chandelure to will o wisp then tag out to tyrantrum to head smash their shit!
Special wall? Blastoise'll fix that real quick after chandelure burns them.
Fast special sweeper? Galvantula will thunder wave while Hitmontop high jump kicks them.
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Wow, so you don't think that Smogon doesn't encourage underrated/creative sets? You think that people are not smart enough to switch out on a clear disadvantage? lol, you don't know Smogon at all. No, we're not a be-all end-all community nor do we consider ourselves to be one. We just make rules and sets that EVERYONE can enjoy. Don't like it? Don't use it. Simple. We ban stuff that the majority doesn't enjoy but we only make sure that skilled players are the ones who has the right to use the ban hammer. Yes, we question your set choices but we only do it because we think that it can be improved upon. Like most competitive communities. If you make a set that deems questionable then we criticize it to help improve players. Underrated/unorthodox sets aren't discouraged at all. You know the popular defensive Sylveon I used against you a while ago? People used to think it was bad but people now majority uses it.
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Yeah, but the way you make it sound it sounds like my entire team is bad! Try thinking situationally here: Heat wave has more pp and a higher chance to burn than fire blast, plus it hits everybody in a double and triple battle, the standard competitive play set. Why waste fire blast when heat wave has more accuracy and hits both opponents with pretty good power? Most of my team is built for doubles and triples anyway.
Besides, I don't TOTALLY hate smogon. There is one rule I agree with you guys on and its the ban of evasion/accuracy moves. I can't tell you how many times I've run into goddamn clefables with their stupid minimizing and calm minding. If you're going to fight me competitively, at least grow a pair and take me head-on!
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Doubles is Pokemon's official format. Triples is just a side mode like Singles. Since you just told me that your team is built for doubles/triples and not Singles makes sense.. in a way.. Using Fire Blast when playing singles is beneficial since the reward of being able to KO/deal large amounts of damage your opponent is worth the accuracy loss.
I'll tell you, since you also agree with the banning of evasion moves. This instantly makes you better than other Smogon haters I've met online. So I'll give you that. Wanna battle me? Sure but I only play 6v6 singles. Nothing else. In fact, I hardly play Pokemon these days since Smash Bros. is more fun to play lately so I may be rusty on my part when playing Pokemon competitively,
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Alright. But its not like my team is completely useless in singles. You've probably seen rock slide a few times in singles, right? Plus its also good for if I run into pokemon that have pressure for their ability.
I also play smash, and my main is charizard.
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I don't know how does your team work in Doubles/Triples but I know they aren't viable at high level 6v6 Singles play. No offense intended to you anyway. I've seen Rock Slide in play but it's only for Pokemon like Tyranitar and Excadrill. The former because it's only for the defensive sets and for the latter because Excadrill can't learn Stone Edge. Stone Edge is the go to move for most Pokemon in singles.
Cool. I main Marth.
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Alright. I've taken what you said into account and switched up my team a little bit for more viable singles: My pokemon are largely the same but I replaced galvantula with manectric for the lightning rod ability for a tricky switch in situation and more coverage with moves like flamethrower and signal beam.
I also changed up braviarys set a little so two of its moves can actually compliment one another with rock tomb and zen headbutt. Tyrantrum however? Still trying to figure out what his final move should be, so can you help me out? He's scarfed so it has to count. His moves I'm good on are outrage, iron head and head smash. The last move though is what I'm stuck on between ice fang, bite, crunch, or thunder fang.
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Alright, just to be clear. I'm not forcing you to change up your team for Singles team. If you find Doubles/Triples more fun then you can go ahead and pursue that. Galvantula does have a niche use in Singles btw. In that with the utility of Sticky Web which mitigates some of Chandelure, Braviary and Blastoise's speed problems. But if you do want to change up your team for more Singles viability then go ahead I'm not forcing you. Since you tend to play 3v3 Battle Spot Singles. I see no issue in letting Manectric holding it's Mega Stone since Intimidate makes it rather bulky and Lightningrod is good if you predict an Electric type attack from your opponent you can always switch up your Megas but if you do that then that might mean that Blastoise and Manectric should never be allowed to be in the same team for a battle as they both suck in their normal forms in my opinion.
As for Tyrantrum, assuming Tyrantrum's ability is Rock Head. Every other move is filler as Head Smash is the spammable move. You just choose whatever move you want but I think Crunch or Earthquake should fill the last slot. As both will deal good amounts of damage to Pokemon like Aegislash and Metagross.
P.S. Just looked at your page and it's nice to see a fellow Fire Emblem fan.
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Blastoise is my mega, so Manectric isn't gonna have its mega stone. Besides, even with intimidate manectric is still pretty frail without any other attack lowering moves. And I mainly switched to manectric for its mono typing instead of galvantula because I'd rather have one weakness than the two galvantula has. I set manectric up as the glass cannon with a life orb.
Besides, I had to mitigate braviarys "meh" speed somehow. And with how hard braviary hits even rock tomb is going to deal a significant amount of damage. And when paired with zen headbutt, it can prove pretty useful in tandem! Zen headbutt also serves as a quicker, safer option to brave bird if I can't risk the recoil damage.
Tyrantrum is my heavy hitting wall breaker, so diversity was what I was going for. Because what if I come across a diancie or anything that resists rock? Iron head'll take care of that. If I need to pierce defenses, crunch. Other than that, HEAD SMASH EVERYTHING.
I was thinking it'd be better with these moves in doubles and triples too since I can focus on one pokemon at a time with big hits rather than try to sweep them with other moves. Because honestly, what good is a move like rock slide when your speed is "eh?"
And yeah, I have been playing a lot of awakening lately. I just married Henry to Cherche and Gregor to Olivia.
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Ok one: Sucker punch. It only affects moves that cause direct damage. This doesn't include status moves, such as will o wisp.
Two: Once chandelure did its job, I tagged out to Hitmontop, whose moves mostly consist of PRIORITY moves. This includes fake out. So speed didn't matter in that case. I chipped away at it using a technician boosted fake out stacked on top of the fire damage. Then I protected to whittle down its HP even further when it tried going for a return, causing even more damage from the burn.
Once I saw that it was packing return, I swapped out to chandelure again so the return and any potential fighting moves got rendered null and void. They caught on to what I was doing so they switched out to protean greninja. I swapped right back again to hitmontop and faked out the greninja, causing pretty good damage considering the adamant nature, technician boost, and greninjas crap defenses.
It went for gunk shot and it landed, causing quite a bit of damage but not enough to take me out. I go for triple kick but it misses. Then I protect again to regain some HP from leftovers while greninja goes for scald, turning it back into a water type. I tag out to Blastoise to tank the next scald and he fortunately didn't get burned.
I mega evolve blastoise to tank even more hits while greninja goes for yet another gunk shot. I turned their protean back against them by responding with another scald of my own.
Then comes chansey. Toxicing me first before minimizing the hell out of itself. Too bad my blastoise is packing aura sphere! A super effective, 80 base power move backed by mega launcher that never misses. So I just spam that until it died. Back to greninja! Simple scald, and it was done because of a missed gunk shot. The opponent surrendered after that.
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1. Again, what kind of idiot does not pack Earthquake on Mega Kangaskhan. I know how Sucker Punch works.
2. If Kanga packed Earthquake then Chandelure would've done jack shit and still be useless. Also, there is literally no reason for Kangaskhan to not pack Earthquake on a Singles battle.
3. Hah. So basically that Greninja didn't pack Dark Pulse/Grass Knot. You know? Two important moves of Greninja? The flinch chance or the water coverage is simply too good for Greninja to not have.
4. And finally, what kind of idiot does not pack Softboiled for Chansey.
TL;DR: If Kangaskhan packed EQ in the first place then you may have lost. If Chansey packed Softboiled plus Minimize and sets up on you then you lost. Really, are trying to "sway me into your side" by telling me about a random Singles Battle Spot battle? With someone using the not optimal sets? Because, you're failing horribly at it.
Really, if someone better was battling you then he would've lead with Greninja as he is the best Pokemon to lead with. Doesn't matter if you have Blastoise or not. As the burn chance is too good. YouΒ say you lead with Chandelure because they have Mega Kanga? Scald. Then you have two options. A. Sack Chandelure B. Switch out and risk the burn. Assuming you switch out to Blastoise because it's the more logical choice and you didn't get the burn. Greninja stays and Dark Pulse so you OHKO him with Aura Sphere. So it's a perfect time for me to send out Kangaskhan. Now again you have two options. A. Sack Mega Blastoise to Return or B. Send out Chandelure. So you go with Option B. and send out Chandelure. If Kangaskhan had Earthquake(Since I'm implying that this was someone better so yes Kangaskhan will have EQ). Then Kangaskhan will outspeed and OHKO Chandelure with EQ so you send out Hitmontop. You use Fake Out. She's barely got any damage. Since mega Kanga Outspeed Hitmontop and even a Jolly Nature will OHKO Hitmontop at Full HP. Kangaskhan will go for Return and kill Hitmontop and Mega Blastoise is your last pokemon. In the rare chance that Return did not KO Blastoise and you managed to crit Kanga with Aura Sphere then Chansey will simply Toxic Stall you to death with Toxic+SoftBoiled+Minimize. GG. I managed to hypothetically own your team with a more optimal team and Strategy.
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Optimal? Tch, what a joke. What's really considered "optimal?" What some elitist asshole says works? I can say the reason I've stomped so many OU pokemon is because I know their typical sets, as they usually have only one that places them in OU. They are incredibly predictable and can easily be taken out if you know the typical set they run.
And remember, most of hitmontops moves are PRIORITY moves. So speed isn't much of a factor unless you choose a higher priority move or you choose the same move but with a higher base speed. The reason they went with sucker punch instead of earthquake was because of the priority it usually gives, as they'd assume I'd be attacking directly instead of setting up a status move. And I don't blame them, considering chandelures massive sp.atk stat.
And that greninja did in fact have dark pulse, but it didn't want to use it because one: hitmontop has pretty good defenses on top of resisting dark moves and blastoise would just aura sphere it to death because of the protean changing greninja to pure dark type!
Plus with enough aura spheres in regards to chansey, the aura spheres would've taken em out eventually since it deals more damage than softboiled could recover!
And keep in mind that mega kangaskhan is burned, so earthquake is taking a heavy toll in damage, even with parental bond.
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Again, as I've said in my other comment. Overused Pokemon=/
'Muh priority'! No. Just. No. It's hard to take you seriously if you're argument as to why Kangaskhan couldn't use Earthquake when it's clear as day that Standard and Mega Kangaskhan will outspeed Chandelure and take out Chandelure is just 'muh priority'. Sure, most of hitmontop's moves are priority but they won't kill Mega Kanga. Weaken Big Moma for Blastoise, sure, but not enough to the point that Hitmontop will faint upon getting smacked by Return.
So what's stops Greninja from using Dark Pulse on Mega Blastoise again? Since Dark Pulse gives a lot of of damage coupled with Flinch Chance. In fact, he could mix it up. If he thinks you're going for Aura Sphere. Gunk Shot. Then Dark Pulse again. Then if he knows that you're not using Aura Sphere then he'll just keep using Dark Pulse. Seeing as Blastoise even it's Mega form has rather weak Special Defenses and the chance of flinch being a thing.Β I see no problems with going for Dark Pulse. At all.
Again, if Kangashan went straight for EQ then she wouldn't be burned in the first place. Chandelure has no priority whatsoever. So I see zero reason to not use EQ against Chandelure.
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I'd hardly call base 115 sp.defense bad. And while conkeldurr may have the same coveted mach punch hitmontop has, with iron fist to boot, he lacks the other moves I rely on: namely bullet punch and fake out. My Braviary already has the assault vest on my team (because 100 base HP and 75 base special defense is rather good, you have to admit) and I like having the priority moves that can render speed almost pointless while stalling with protect and leftovers.
Plus, maybe they thought my chandelure was timid nature and EV'd in speed and sp.atk while there's was more tank based with an attack/defense EV spread so they went with sucker punch to override that speed disadvantage?
Plus, I just naturally don't like gengar. Personal preference, plus I love the sheer power chandelures base 145 sp.atk stat gives him the ability to puncture holes in just about any wall. And his infiltrator ability has helped me out a bunch against pranksters with safeguard and substitute.
And maybe they thought I was focus sashed/banded or something? My focus sash is on my galvantula. And he did predict that mix up game actually. He tried switching up between gunk shot and dark pulse, but I predicted those too. So I used a move that was powerful, got STAB and could burn that did good damage against both poison and dark types: scald. Even when not backed by mega launcher the move still hits hard coming off of mega blastoises 135 base special attack
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Exactly what does Bullet Punch and Fake out cover other than 'Muh Priority!'? when Conkelldurr has more valuable moves such as Drain Punch and Knock-Off? Not only that, he actually has a defense stat. Also, lol Braviary. You can literally run Mandibuzz and still get better results as Mandibuzz has more versatility. Also, in a game where an attack/Special attack of 120 or more is the norm. No, 100/75 isn't impressive. At all.
Seeing as Jolly Kangaskhan is the more optimal set in a ridiculously high speed meta. So even if you manage to burn Kangaskhan miraculously. This still happens
252 Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 174-205 (66.6 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also, Jolly Kangaskhan still outspeeds Chandelure.
With Gengar's impressive speed stat. Chandelure's Special Attack stat wouldn't matter at all. Plus, Gengar has more versatility in his movepool and STAB Poison in a meta with Mega Gardevoir, Mega Altaria and Sylveon is valuable. Really, preference or not. Chandelure is outclassed by Gengar. 130 Sp. Attack isn't shabby at all and 110 Speed is considered good. As opposed 145 Sp, Attack. 80 spd and mediocre defenses.
Lol focus Sash on Blastoise. That is all I can say. Unpredictablity is one thing. Stupidity is another.
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Well, mandibuzz is more defense based and braviary is more offense based. If assault vest doesn't suit braviary, who SHOULD I give it to and what should I give braviary instead?
And I said I put focus sash on GALVANTULA. Blastoise is my mega evolver! It also WASN'T a jolly kangaskhan, it was an ADAMANT one. And its not like gengars defenses are good either. Just replace rock slide with psychic and gengar goes down! You say chandelure has mediocre defenses? Gengars are virtually the same! Don't give me that "mediocre defenses" crap when your recommendation has the exact same defenses!
And priority is more important than you might think. With conkeldurrs trash speed, do you think I'll even get a CHANCE to use knock off or drain punch before the others gang up on him? At least hitmontop can hit hard with technician boosts and take a few hits in the process because his defenses are actually BETTER than conkeldurrs! 95 defense (exact same as conkeldurrs base)? 115 sp.defense? As opposed to conkeldurrs 65 base sp.def? In a meta with mega gardevoirs, altarias, and salamences? It'd get destroyed!
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Give leftovers to Mandicuzz. Problem solved. Braviary still has s**tty defenses that allows to be taken out pretty quickly, Yes, Assault Vest shenanigans but any Rock move can KO fairly quickly.
How can you tell? You can't see the nature of a Kangaskhan. and Galvantula naturally outspeeds Kangaskhan. Also, you said the reason why you don't think the Geninja can't go for Dark Pulse was because he thinks that it was sashed. But who was sashed? I'm talking about Blastosie yet you suddenly talk about Galvantula. Two very different things. At least, I put similar Pokemon of the same archetypes together. Yes, Gengar has bad defenses but that's more than made up for it's speed. Does Chandelure has that claim to fame? No. Base 80 Speed with base 90 defenses is begging to be OHKOed.
Defenses Mate. Defenses. Priority can only go so far until you realize it's pointless. Conkelldurr has a base 105 HP to brag along with it's defenses. Hitmontop? lol base 50 hp. Really? Just really? You forgot to consider HP for defenses. Again, we're talking about Singles so how can he be ganged up again? Really, you hate Smogon yet you don't consider the main thing that Smogon prioritizes. Singles. Again, unjustified hate all over again smh.
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And what if that gengar is met with that SAME braviary packing shadow claw huh? He has no real answer for that! And HP is pointless if you don't have the same defenses to go with it. Conkeldurrs HP might be high but he'll STILL be taken out by virtually any special psychic, fairy, or as rare as they are, flying type move. Hitmontop while its base HP is low, makes up for it with 95 defense and an even higher 115 special defense! At least hitmontop has some sort of an answer for fairy types at least in bullet punch.
That's why I use mega blastoise. His base defenses are crazy, and his base HP sits at a respectable 79. EV that HP and it can reach 362 by level 100. Couple this with his defenses and you have a pokemon that can last a LONG time.
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Uh... I just switch my Gengar and/or Conkelldurr to someone who can easily take the hit? it's not that hard lmao.
Also lol Hitmontop dealing with fairies
252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Hitmontop Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Sylveon: 146-174 (37 - 44.1%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm using the most used Sylveon set btw.
while Syveon can
0 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Hitmontop: 254-300 (105.3 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As for Gardevoir
252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Hitmontop Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Gardevoir: 205-244 (74 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
and you know the story for Gardevoir
232 SpA Gardevoir Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hitmontop: 264-312 (109.5 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As for Blastoise. Lol Contrary Leaf Storm, lol Mega Ampharos Thunderbolt. lol Toxic Stall for Blissey and Chansey. It's not that hard to get rid of Mega Blastoise lmao.
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I raise your mega Ampharos thunderbolt with mega Blastoises dragon pulse. Toxic stall blissey and chansey? What part about "super effective mega launcher aura sphere" do you NOT understand? Contrary leaf storm? I'll just ice beam your ass. Not so tough now, are ya? Most fairy types have weak defenses anyway, so bullet punch will still do a lot.
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What part of defenses + ability to heal do you not understand?
252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 152-180 (21.5 - 25.5%) -- 0.8% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 172-204 (26.4 - 31.3%) -- 12.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Serperior is naturally faster than Blastoise so your point is moot and 0 defense Serperior can still surive a hit as shown here:
252+ SpA Mega Blastoise Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Serperior: 232-274 (79.7 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Whereas Serperior can
252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blastoise: 343-406 (94.7 - 112.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
As for Ampharos
252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Ampharos: 288-340 (75 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
While Mega Ampharos can
252+ SpA Mold Breaker Mega Ampharos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blastoise: 342-404 (94.4 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Pls. Your trying way too hard to make me sound bad.
Yet you forgot that Hitmontop will still get OHKOed and not be able to defeat the most common Fairy types? Pls.
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I'm okay with Smogon, honestly. Just don't expect me to always build Pokemon based solely on them. I'll go my own path if I believe that I can tinker with a Pokemon to get the job I want done...
Also, Touhou makes everything more awesome...
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I know that.. I made this to correct whatever controversies that Smogon has by it's haters. I'm not forcing anyone to like Smogon but at least respect it. Besides, I even use teams that Smogon doesn't recommend for the heck of it.
I agree..
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Ah yes...
I've named some of my Pokemon in Y after Touhou characters...
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YAY! ANOTHER PERSON WHO DOSEN'T HATE SMOGON!
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Heh, what'ya know? I'm not the only one around here who likes Smogon. I really like to use it for practice. Besides, everything that's stated here is correct. Who said you have to follow their rules in the official games? Besides, I like the clauses. It helps me ration out tactics that I can work with or around. Personally I'd say Smogon has made me an amazing trainer rather than what the haters claim.
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I more so see the smogon haters as think Smogon only cares about strong Pokemon, but then I realized this is tourneytards in generalΒ
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Tell me about it. Most tournies I've seen use the same Pokemon over and over again.. At least I actually use unpopular Pokemon and actually make them work properly online.
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Yeah t gets BORING just to use the same Pokemon over and over again. That's why each playthrough I try to be unique in my teams and not use ones I already used
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Can you change the description "Ethan(The typical Smogon Hater) belongs to" to this "The Character Ethan, the typical smogon hater, belongs to...".
Because it just seems like I'm the hater.
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Protip: Please do not number your speech bubbles.Β Peoples' vision doesn't work like that and so, please refer here on how to properly align speech bubbles.
Other than that, I really do like Smogon a lot.Β That's the site where they helped me get into competitive battling and I owe them for that, although I've dropped Pokemon since 2011.Β Shame that there's actually hate for it when they're actually trying to help keep balanced and healthy competitive gameplay.Β
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Thanks for tip! I'll keep that in mind when I'm gonna make another comic.
Yeah. Most of the hate are mostly ignorant claims from people who does not know what are they saying. The ones mentioned in the comic are just majority of the complaints I've seen.
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