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Published: 2017-06-16 19:13:12 +0000 UTC; Views: 6773; Favourites: 36; Downloads: 4
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Dear American socialists: pissing off the liberals in your Facebook feed is not worth turning a blind eye towards Russia's role in promoting worldwide fascism. Swallow your pride and start taking this seriously before it's too late.Related content
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Ignoring that the west's imperialism and fascism is 10x as worse as anything the Russian Federation has done. We can see through your mask, bourgie liberal.Β
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So Russia are killing left wing degenerates like you in Syria?
Why is this a bad thing?
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It takes a special kind of morally bankrupt moron to condone/ignore what Russia has done to Syria & Ukraine, just for the sake of being a contrarian.
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this is No exuse for what the west is doing with Kiev.
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The United States invaded half the world, support nazi regimes in Baltic States, Finland and Ukraine, in almost all countries exist American bases and concentration camps for unruly locals, and Russia promoting fascism. Well, okay.
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As expected from an ancom, you don't know what's going on and it's always trying to trivialize american imperialism repeating the mainstream media and CIA narrative.
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It still doesn't change the fact that Putin is a Fascist and I don't use that term derogatorily he fits the Mussolini's style of Fascism pretty well as a Jingoistic, Authoritarian Nationalist. He has shown little love for Communism and disdain for the founders and leaders of the Soviet Union for surrendering to Germany in WWI and setting up Russia for further collapse in 1991. Russia's territorial collapse in the last century seems to be a real stick in his craw and he blames it on the Bolsheviks. For you Communist Putin is by no means your friend. Just because he's the enemy of your enemy doesn't make him your friend.
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Oh yeah, Putin is definitely a fascist or at least pretty far-right.
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Not really, but if I'm going to be raped it might as well be by someone who knows what they're doing.
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As a maoist, I ensure that the primary contradiction is imperialism. Since Putin opposes the current imperialist forces, his struggle should be recognized. I know he's an anti communist, I know Russia lives under an oligarchy who's best friends with Putin, and I know he's a conservative populist, but again, he's an enemy of the western imperialism, therefore should be supported by anti imperialists; it's called looking the big picture. I know he's not supporting Assad because he cares about him, it's because a puppet government there would threat the Russian monopoly on oil in Europe (if Syria hada puppet government, the Saudis would have a shorter route for oil to the USA and Europe)
Once the common enemy is erradicated, people can concentrate their effort against Putin, opposing him means endorsing the currently existing empire that wants him down.
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The Russians don't even have a monopoly on European oil and it would be a lot cheaper, safer and easier for Europe to find ways to improve and increase imports from North America and friendly gulf states than to try and build a pipeline in that hot mess called Syria.
Russia will never eradicate the US and it's allies. Russia is weak and Putin knows it. He's so far been playing a game of chicken against a tepid West, but as soon as he knows he'll lose a confrontation he'll back down. He's not a radical ideologue like Hitler, or Lenin the mans more of a practical crook like Mussolini, or Tito who will do whatever it takes to simply stay in power. Remember if Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco could defeat and eradicated the commies in their country I'm fairly certain Putin will do the same to the commies in his. Sorry to break it to you, but Communism left a really bad taste in Russia's mouth just like the rest of Eastern Europe and Nationalism is in foe right now.
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Russia is the main exporter of fossil fuels in Europe, specially natural gas; I mistakenly told about oil.
"The security of the EUβs primary energy supplies may be threatened if a high proportion of imports are concentrated among relatively few partners. More than two thirds (69.1Β %) of the EU-28βs imports of natural gas in 2014 came from Russia or Norway"Source:Β ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistiβ¦
Other great importers of natural gas is Qatar and the Arab League, which could easily reach Europe through a pipeline across Syria, but it ain't happening because Assad's not a puppet of the west or it's allies, and that's why the west started this war and Russia sided with Assad.
Russia will never eradicate the US and it's allies. Russia is weak and Putin knows it.
Yeah, so much he's opposing the west in a proxy war. Lol.
He's not a radical ideologue like Hitler, or Lenin the mans more of a practical crook like Mussolini, or Tito who will do whatever it takes to simply stay in power.
He'll do anything to maintain the power of the Russian oligarchies within Russia or overseas, because he's a bourgeois populist.
Sorry to break it to you, but Communism left a really bad taste in Russia's mouth just like the rest of Eastern Europe and Nationalism is in foe right now.
The communists made those countries arise from feudal monarchies to industrialized republics. What left a bad taste were Bukharinist deviationists like Tito, who drowned Yugoslavia in debts, and the de-Stalinisation process carried in the USSR from Khruschov to Gorbatchev that dismantled the soviet achievements. Not to mention Putin thinks the end of the USSR was a big mistake because it left Russia with a political void and chaotic conditions; just remember that the Russian living conditions dropped quickly under Yetsin.
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If Europe was determined to get a gas pipeline through Syria it would have acted more decisively in the Syrian Civil War. Propping up friendly foreign governments is difficult and ungodly expensive. Not to mention the difficulty of even building and protecting a pipeline in a country as tumultuous as Syria. Hell Libya was arguably in far better shape after it's Civil than Syria is now and it's in another Civil War. Relying on a pipeline through Syria is just stupid investors prefer certainty and a Syrian pipeline would far from guarantee that. Also such a pipeline would likely run through Turkey as well yet Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the UAE are at odds with Turkey. If this was about a pipeline both would have come together in supporting a united opposition instead they both supported different factions. It is far safer and cheaper to find ways to ship and transport fuel from other regions of the world than attempt regime change Syria. What Syria is about is power politics. The US see's it as undermining Iran and Russia. Russia and Iran see it as preserving an ally. Turkey and Saudi Arabia see it as a way to advance regional dominance yet they have conflicting interests. It's not at all clear what Europe seeks gains out of the Syrian Civil War, but it sure as hell isn't a pipeline. Frankly this whole thing just sprung up on it's own after the Revolutionary fervor of the Arab Spring and everyone tried to take advantage of the situation.
If the US, Western Europe, Japan, etc. could industrialize without mass famines, forced labor and gulags then the USSR has little to be proud of especially considering it never achieved comparable levels of economic development, or standards of living. It was only imposing because of it's shear size. Hell the US saved the USSR from collapse by providing a massive famine relief effort during the 1920's. Most Soviet industrialization was largely dependent on adopting Western technology and was playing catch up with the West. Soviet Economic growth peaked early during Lenin's reign. The rate of economic growth continued to slow until the Era of Stagnation under Brezhnev. You are right about Putin not being happy about the collapse of the USSR, but that is because it hurt Russia and he blames the old Soviet system for that collapse. Such political and economic upheaval was always going to hurt, but it was doomed to happen because the old system was unsustainable which is why Gorbachev tried to reform it. The problem is your trying to replace the shaky foundation of a rigid and brittle building you already built and odds are the whole thing was going to come down.
Honestly this is all beside the point. It doesn't matter whether it was proper Communism(which not even Lenin, or Stalin really practiced), or not these regimes held the Communist banner and thus Communism is forever associated with them and most don't look back at them fondly. It also turned out Marx was wrong and people cared more about their National identity than their Class. Whether you like it, or not Nationalism is the dominant political ideology of the day in Eastern Europe.
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If Europe was determined to get a gas pipeline through Syria it would have acted more decisively in the Syrian Civil War.
They're already arming the rebels, because putting their own troops there would have been less discreet about their intentions and denounced that the civil war was plotted.
Not to mention the difficulty of even building and protecting a pipeline in a country as tumultuous as Syria.
That's why the overthrown of Assad is one of their to-do list, to impose a pro-West satellite state like they did in Libya.
It is far safer and cheaper to find ways to ship and transport fuel from other regions of the world than attempt regime change Syria.
And yet it's what happening, the rebels are receiving mass aid to change regime and no one seems interested in seeking other ways to transport fuel (or probably the regime change is a pre requisite for that)
What Syria is about is power politics.
Yes, because no war is fought without economic reasons, it's just a few crazy and powerful people competing against each other.
If the US, Western Europe, Japan, etc. could industrialize without mass famines, forced labor and gulags then the USSR has little to be proud of
Western Europe and Japan invaded countries and drained their resources to afford their infrastructure, some europeans countries nowadays still damand payment of debt from african nations for the "infrastructure" left behind. The USA's not very different, it became an industrial power profitting from wars overseas and also drained resources from third world nations. I mean, the United Nations recognizes over 190 nations and nearly 170 of them were invaded by the United Kingdom alone! What you think they did in there, parties?! No, they enslaved them, some even had multiple famines! (seek for irish potatoe famine, when british land owners exported food from ireland because they would be better paid for them, and left the irish population starving) You're incredibly naive...
And just remember that the Soviet Union was feudal when the revolution took place, famines were very often during the Tsars' regime (something anti-communists never bother to complain about), and they worked very hard to stop it. Their last famine was in the 30s, because they had developped agricultural production until they had no more famines (except in WWII)
On the gulag argument, all I need to reiterate is that the gulags were prisons, criminals went there to work. These countries you've mentioned invaded other nations and forced their populations into slavery in a way higher proportion than the soviet penal system, just for profit. And the Soviet Union banned penal labour in the 50s, the USA still have penal labour.
And the SU was the fastest nation to industrialize, the the living conditions also grew very fast, from a mostly illiterate peasant population to a full literate population in a industrial power.
Β especially considering it never achieved comparable levels of economic development, or standards of living.
It actually achieved better living conditions, giving they had a nearly 100% literacy rate and almost no unemployment.
Most Soviet industrialization was largely dependent on adopting Western technology and was playing catch up with the West.
Only during the earlier industrialization, because they managed to become independent later.
The rate of economic growth continued to slow until the Era of Stagnation under Brezhnev.
This was after the de-Stalinization process started by Khruschov and his efforts to make "democratic" reforms (in other words, introduce markets and private property within the soviet union), and it was continued until Gorbatchov dismantled the soviet state against the soviet people's will.
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>admits to being Nazbol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcH6vβ¦
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What can I say? Bat'ko is arguably the most based memelord on /leftypol/. There's hardly a single leftist branch he doesn't touch upon, be it in his /leftypol/ Choir or otherwise.
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Same, comrade. Fuckin' same.
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This is news to me. How is Russia promoting worldwide fascism?
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So in other words, they're spreading something that's "kind of like" fascism but not really within their own country and possibly Ukraine?
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Well I know that Russia'sΒ a mixed economy, but it's difficult to tell where the nation lies on the social authoritarian-libertarian spectrum.
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I'm sorry, I didn't paid attention.
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Yes, the power of the nation state that's for sure.
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how is pissing off liberals on facebook equivalent to promoting worldwide fascism?
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I agree too, but denying that Poroshenko is a bastard and Azov Battalion is formed by neo-nazis doesn't help.
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