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Ravendyn In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-29 02:29:52 +0000 UTC]

So do you only critique on certain people's art, or certain subjects of people's art? Example, I'm just waiting for the day for you to come along and go critic-crazy on something I've done, but I don't have a nearly interesting style for characters as Kitteh does. It's the way RX draws o.o RX's own little style.. ya try and change the style of the artist to the ways you want, and that artist gets a little... annoyed? You leave your opinion on a lot of Kitteh's pics... some sounding rather like... o.o you're the better artist, please Correct me if I'm wrong.

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return-x In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-29 02:29:03 +0000 UTC]

Does everything 'bug' you? Seriously. I really want to know... EXE characters don't have to look like healthy humans - because they are digital representations of their originals. I can make him like SkullmanEXE or even an actual Harpy if I wanted to, YES COMPLETE WITH BOOBS JUST TO PISS EVERYONE OFF -WHOOHOO, kinda like SnakemanEXE who is more snake then man. o.o And I'd still be within the original design. (Course, in order to cater to rabid fangirls that want to shounen ai everything up... they have to look all perfect and pretty yessss? ) I exaggerated the form on purpose. Not to mention this was a just a sketch... I'm not a perfectionist, this was a 10 minute doodle that I had fun playing with. o_o So may I ask why I'm being graded on this?

I'd also really like to know what you base this so called anime style on, is there some godly book that tells you how to draw this stuff the proper way? You want awkward limbs... look at Leviathan's original artwork for this game. They go past her knees, does that bother you too? Or is that okay since ya know... its Capcom!! Do I sound vaguely annoyed yet? How about this, when I draw something serious (read: I put actual time into it, say a few hours) I'll ask for criticism and then you can fire away. Since I'm obviously not going to draw in a style you're going to like... so I'm curious as to why you keep bringing this up. And only on my Rockman type fanarts... is that the only thing you know about? Because I'd really like to know what it is I'm doing wrong... not that I'll change it just for you, mind you! Haha, don't think you're -that- special.

If you're wondering if I'm offended, I'm really not. Amused is more like it. Don't mind me, its just the typical RX sarcasm ...and it just wouldn't be me if I didn't reply to the biznitchy criticism in any other way.

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robo-nyanya In reply to return-x [2003-08-30 02:35:18 +0000 UTC]

Alright, you took the time to write that to me, so I guess I'll take some of my time to write back.

In any case, I know you say it's not a matter of annoyance and rather just your personality, but I still take this as if you're putting your dukes up. That's just me, I hope you understand.

All right, you misinterpret me. Firstly, I will admit, I criticize you (and not just you) because I find you very good--almost threateningly so. I'm not sure how much you get yourself, but I have had my own share of nasty criticism (very nasty) and even though I try hard to get better, I'm still put down a lot and I have a huge inferior complex. Competition is interesting, but I would imagine in all humans, we posess fear of someone being superior, which is very possible in your case. I don't criticize out of spite...to give back to the world what I get. One reason I DO, is to assert that I can have a say in something, not be totally powerless. All I really have is my excuse for art. It's not much and it's sad, but I like it, and you can imagine just how scared I can get when a formidable artist comes out.

Also, I hate the typical anime style. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm some strict elitist about anime art...I LIKE your originality, I LIKE your skill, and I appreciate that you are deviant of the typical anime style as well, rather than following the crowd. But I'm just not totally fond of your style. As far as style is concerned I think I mentioned that only ONCE! And I left it alone after that. I shouldn't have mentioned it yes, but usually style isn't what I base judgements on. I commented on your--are you still reading this? Okay, I commented on things I found to be somewhat inconsistent. There is a difference between making things oblong and slightly getting it well, wrong. At least that's how it looks like to me...I'm imperfect. I could be wrong, but then, why take it so seriously?If you think my criticism is a misinterpretation or just plain crap,ignore it!

As for that one pic, I'm sorry if it sounded too rash or harsh or whatever. I know it was quick, but if you have the time and effort to make a picture and have it displayed on the internet in an art gallery where all sorts of people can comment on it, expect criticism. I'm sure you've gotten negative comments before, who hasn't? But, you need to take it more gracefully and not so offensively. I'm tired of people just giving the same old wow, that's cute! or Omigod, that's so gud! type of comment. I want to tell the artist what I like and don't like. I welcome negative criticism as well. It's not that I want only negative criticism, but if someone can be at least civil about it, I know that someone is giving me sufficient attention and consideration. I cn take in the suggestions that I may agree with later and perhaps try and act upon that advice. Like I said before, you don't need to take it so seriously, I just put it out there in the air to provide feedback. What do you want? If you only expect positive goodie goodie things to come your way, that's just unrealistic.

I guess I'm just trying to say that I want to be the one who gives time to consider both the merits and the faults of a picture (whether they're misconstrued or not). I respect you as an artist, and DON'T say anything to make me consider otherwise. I wouldn't keep commenting unless I thought you were worthwhile...also, perfect pictures already have enough good feedback to give your confidence a boost. I have no need there.

And forgive me if I didn't understand you, but I thought at one point you insinuated that *I* was a shounen ai fangirl. DON'T ever call me that...I don't mind the idea in some cases, but I certainly do not enjoy pairing any two guys on a whim like those other gals out there. Maybe if we actually knew each other better, you'd understand that.

And tell your Dynamo-XR friend that too. I don't need a gang of your buddies ganging up on me just because their goddess was slightly ticked off by somewhat negative comments.

Please, I DON'T want to look at your art in the future with a bias after having read this slightly belligerent note. Call me a bich or whatever--tell your circle of friends what a pretentious, bullshitty letter I wrote back to you to restore balance to myself. But, please, PLEASE, try to understand this.

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Ravendyn In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-30 21:41:03 +0000 UTC]

o_o
Why should RX have to tell me this? Too scared to do so yourself or what?

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return-x In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-30 21:32:38 +0000 UTC]

What is there to understand? o_o

You said it yourself, ticked off by negative comments. As in, more then one. Several in fact. And YES I am annoyed.

You think this is some sort of competition and thats not why I'm here on DA. I'm not on here to get comments like: AWW ITS SO CUTE! Nor am I doing this for some sort of grade or prepping myself to be the next big manga artist. And I'm not going around telling people what they need to do to improve. I see mistakes in a lot of things you and everyone else draws, but I don't nitpick!

I don't have control over what people say here, I can see it differently if I went and attacked your journal or gallery but don't get mad because they saw your comment and decided to reply. You left it here, you should have expected a response. I'm here to have fun with my art. It's FANART give it a rest! Weren't you the one that left me a note comparing how many views per month I got compared to you? And I even don't watch your gallery! o_o

I didn't ask for your 2 cents on every rockman-related picture I draw. and I'm sorry to say, you didn't just piss me off. You've done this on Oekaki boards - to the point they don't want you back, and to many of the other Rockman fanartists here IN THEIR OWN GALLERIES with your uncalled for remarks. I think most people realize the mistakes they make, EVERYTIME they go back to compare their old art with the new, they see this. You just have this annoying habit of pointing it out ON EVERY GATE/X/HARPUIA PIC SOMEONE DRAWS. You sound like you're oh so better then everyone else, you have go around passing along your godly advice on how to draw it more to YOUR LIKING.

As for the shounen ai remark? That was probably inspired by a note you left on Rock's work saying, omg you're a fan of Zero x X, lets be friends!! Thats JUST as bad as your so called helpful criticism!

I don't know about you but, I don't see myself anything close of being a goddess as you put it. I seriously doubt anyone here does. I have a lot to learn, most artists know they'll be learning til the day they die. Most of the artists I know here are half my age and kick my ass anyday. I'm well aware of my mistakes and what I need to do to improve on them. You don't think I realize most of the praise I get is based on subject alone? Nothing I have in my possession is perfect or close to it. Nothing. You've already pointed this out, once... twice... six times... and you're still going on about it. And thats what's annoying me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Stop worrying so much about how everyone SHOULD be drawing and apply that knowledge to your own art. Its hypocritical to tell everyone how to improve when you don't follow your own advice.

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slash-beastleo In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-30 20:18:16 +0000 UTC]

Omigod, this comment is so gud!

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cobrawolf In reply to robo-nyanya [2003-08-30 19:38:42 +0000 UTC]

Hehehe, goddess. :3

Bit of advice, if you 'mean no harm' ... make the comments private, or don't say anything at all. You know the saying.. If you don't have anything nice to say...

YOU might not mind critical feedback, Nya, but not everyone does. In fact, some find it offensive, rude, and entirely unwarranted. Given your habit of pointing out the 'flaws' of nearly every pic you comment on, is it really any surprise that people are beginning to get aggrivated with you? You might not intend to come off sounding like an arrogant little snot, but you are. If you wish to continue to criticize, find another way to do it besides 'It's so nice! BUT there's all these GLARING FLAWS'. It doesn't work. It angers people. It makes them want to take a garden rake and beat you with it.

Please. For the sake of the civility you claim you have in your previous reply ... stop making 'helpful' comments. It's not helping.

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return-x In reply to slash-beastleo [2003-08-28 23:54:47 +0000 UTC]

Yup! I was going for the cute look... and thats not normally me.

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